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Are you going to vote for a man who has approved with George W. Bushes decisions 90% of the time?



Aww...they're such good friends. As I sat there watching both conventions...I looked in Obama's eyes and saw fire, passion, vigor. I looked into McCain's eyes...and just saw rehearsed lines and coordinated timed smiles. I also found it odd that VICE PRESIDENT Cheyney and Dubya's other crew of destruction didn't appear at the convention. Trying to distance themselves from McBush's image? Probably. Dubya didn't even make it out himself either.



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How is this guy even in the position he's in right now... Even though he's a liar and surely would be a pathetic president, he actually might become president. I say that because again, how is he even in his position facing off with Obama? He had little media. How? Maybe he might be "lucky"( cheat) and be president. Who knows.

By the way, has anyone noticed he looks like he's wearing a fake mask or something? Too much cosmetics?

Not old enough to be heavy into the politics, but the little that I know tells me that McBush is burning in the hell of his imagination.

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Originally Posted by malac

How is this guy even in the position he's in right now...

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McCain has two things going for him.

1. His story
2. His money

Or to be more precise, his wife's money. His Vietnam POW war story makes him a hero (though there were 600 other brave American POW's you don't hear too much about). His wife is Cindy McCain...better known as the beer lady. Her net worth has been estimated to be hovering just over the $100,000,000 mark. Not to say he doesn't have money himself, which he does...but she's undoubtedly his rock. Like John Kerry's wife (The Heinz lady) was his.

You take his story, her money, pick a party and bam...you have a presidential nominee. A presidential nominee whose 72 years old, has had cancer 4 times...and chose a woman to be his running mate to scoop up the 18 million floating Hilary supporters. I don't know if Hilary supporters are naive enough to buy into it but hey...maybe they just want to see a woman in office so bad where it takes precedence over what they're really getting if she's sworn in. Palin is a great woman, a leader, a trooper and a fighter...there's no denying that. But this is politics, almost nothing about it is fair and yet everything is called fair.

Lucky for me, McCain and Obama are coming to debate in my state on the 26th. Should be a sight to see...

george bush was an amazing president. After all a prosperous country is an immoral country. And without morals than the devil will strike us down!!!!

You have to admit they're staging it pretty well this 'election'. I almost believed they could be useful when they kept talking about change we can believe in. lolol

Grow the fuck up. I've had enough of this crap from everybody. Nobody gives a rats ass about America or its future. Threads like this prove to me that you are voting out of hate of the Republican party, and not out of agreeing with the Democratic party. That makes you a child. That's all I have to say here.

Why don't you grow up for saying either party is genuine and implying that we believe in them when we don't.

Personally I'm voting for the only real republican thats had a chance in 20 years. Ron Paul is the only candidate who would make any real changes (or refroms if you a republican).

Isn't this a election a bunch of bullshit. Obama claims change, mccain claims reform. Lying bastards.

vote for Miles

Ron Paul was just presented or manipulated as a 'good guy' to make it all appear more legit when it wasn't. They didn't let him get far except the problem is the internet proved he was the most popular but they hide that when it's not about what reality is. If we voted it would be someone like Ron Paul. But not only do our votes take secondary importance they have no significance to effect change when the political system is only effective for the manipulators that created it as a disguise for something that's suppose to represent freedom. The policies of Ron Paul were something to support definitely. But Ron Paul wasn't a real character that had a real intention, he had strings attached like they always do. See how they are attempting to counteract the disillusionment with the system by trying to incorporate reality into it. Then the media goes off Ron Paul and that's the end of that show complete. The puppet show didn't care if he was most popular. All it cared about was Hillary mentioning Obama assassination. The next scene what happens? Obama nearly getting assassinated. What a co-incidence. But the puppet show though it wouldn't complete the murder because it would appear legitimate enough that it was stopped. So then McCain sock puppet came in.

I don't know about that. Ron said he'd try to get rid of the CIA, and I think the CIA is behind a lot of the bullshit that goes on in this country. Anyone who got rid of such groups would be doing this country great benifit.

Besides that he'd get rid of things like the patriot act. He's a man of the constitution. He is trying to make our government smaller, his voting record shows this. He's got character, and you can't fake that. You can convince people you have it when you don't(bush) but looking closely at Ron it seems he really does care about this country.

Voting for Ron increases his popularity. I think he has a shot in 2012 or 2016 maybe.

Yeah I know that was his policy. But who is going to win? CIA or Ron Paul? Get rid of fascism before a sock puppet can become real.

This, nor any other election will change anything. Deal with it.

I know Ron wouldn't have been able to do all the things he wanted to, but I'd much rather have him as president than obama or mccain. Don't let your hatred of government turn into apathy towards fixing it. We need to make the government smaller before any real problems can be fixed.

Whats your solution, not voting? I think that the majority of people have too much faith in government for this to work. If intelligent people don't vote, all the stupid people still will and this will only make government more controlling.

If you are playing a video game that is your house. And you open the door on your computer game. That doesn't open your door to your house it's an imitation. The door you want to open with voting that isn't real with your voting scenario.

The real door is when you look inside yourself and live your life with every decision as a vote. Every thought action and emotion. Not just election day with the piece of paper in politics.

Instead of voting for so and so tweedle thumb. Acting to change the entire system by supporting something more beneficial is a vote in itself. Becoming your own leader.

If you think Ron Paul can give you more freedom vote. But don't think he isn't a mason with strings attached. The real manipulation is physically geometrical and mentally psychological. It isn't about government at all.

I think your giving the masons too much credit. They have set up a false system, but it doesn't work that well. It's falling apart right now as we speek. I really don't think he'd be a regular guest on the Alex Jones show if he was a mason.

And just because you are doing something more benificial doesn't mean that you can't still vote. These people are not trying to make things bad for us, their just dumbasses. They think they are doing something that will make the future a better place, because they are materialistc fools.

Ignoring the system will not fix or get rid of it. Personally I think the system has done some good. It established this country. Then in the 1930s secret government rolled in and fucked it all up.

I'm not saying ron paul will fix things, just that he'd make them a little better.

You are twisting my words around. Why are you doing that? I'm not giving the masons credit for anything other than Ron Paul I think is one. And that every mason is said to be on a square. Which if conforming to masonry is strings attached. But this is beside the point. I never said you can't vote. Some are trying to make things worse for their own beliefs and agenda while knowingly lieing. They aren't all misguided goodie two shoes. Corruption is part of it.

I'm not ignoring the system. What you are calling 'the system' is not even the same idea that I have about it. Please try not distort what I am saying.

I don't have a problem with Ron Paul I have a problem with you thinking it's possible he would be allowed to become president while carrying out his policy and that voting would achieve and initiate it. The world isn't that cotton candy. I wish it was but we need a different consiousness to solve the problems we have created. Not the same consiousness that created those problems.

Im gonna write Ron Paul on my slip and turn it in. F both parties if they think they can tell me who I can vote for, no where in the constitution does it say that. Then again, if I say that I sound like an a hole that way dont I? But what am I to do when both candidates suck?

I wasn't trying to twist your words, I just misunderstood. I just honestly don't see Ron being a mason. Thats a real big stretch.

But you very well may be right in the end. I think if he was elected or even had a party nomination he'd "have a heart attack" if you know what I mean.

Hey man. There's nothing wrong with Masons in general. Weren't the forefathers masons? Didn't they write and sign the constitution? The only possible way Masons could do harm to something they created is if they've been infiltrated by people with mal-intent. These mal intented people are probably the rich bankers and their Minions. They've infiltrated any group of power and done Terrible things in the name of Masonry, jewish Zionism and so on, and also have left trails of their existence leading to dead ends, rascism, Discrimination. ETC. This isn't about what club you belong to, your religion, or your race... It's about people Standing United for the conscious evolution Of our species.

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Are you going to vote for a man who has approved with George W. Bushes decisions 90% of the time?

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Are you going to vote for a president who's goign to raise corporate tax and try to give a flippin rebate check to every American before we even drill more?

I agree with McCain on alot of things, I disagree on others, but at least his foreign policy dosen't show the world that we are whimps and his domestic policy isn't based on socialist ideals which sound great but have no substance.

I look at the candidates...

McCain. Our economy will probably remain similar to how it is now. I know, not the best but we aren't all going to collapse in the next four years with soem economic doomsday scenario.

Foreign policy. He's making the neccassery precautions. No more,.no less. It's what we need.

Obama. Will raise oil prices, taxes, and the costs of all American made goods.

Foreign policy? I see Obama acting alot like Bill Clinton... What does that mean? Over a dozen terrorrist attacks without retaliation of any kind, leading to MORE attacks, hmm?

I say, Jeff, if you hate McCain so much then either...
Show why you are an Obama fan OR participate in the Cthulhu write in vote.
(Why vote for the lesser of two evils?)

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Originally Posted by spockman

Are you going to vote for a president who's goign to raise corporate tax and try to give a flippin rebate check to every American before we even drill more?

I agree with McCain on alot of things, I disagree on others, but at least his foreign policy dosen't show the world that we are whimps and his domestic policy isn't based on socialist ideals which sound great but have no substance.

I look at the candidates...

McCain. Our economy will probably remain similar to how it is now. I know, not the best but we aren't all going to collapse in the next four years with soem economic doomsday scenario.

Foreign policy. He's making the neccassery precautions. No more,.no less. It's what we need.

Obama. Will raise oil prices, taxes, and the costs of all American made goods.

Foreign policy? I see Obama acting alot like Bill Clinton... What does that mean? Over a dozen terrorrist attacks without retaliation of any kind, leading to MORE attacks, hmm?

I say, Jeff, if you hate McCain so much then either...
Show why you are an Obama fan OR participate in the Cthulhu write in vote.
(Why vote for the lesser of two evils?)

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Your opinions are respected and I thank you for them. Regarding taxes...please refer here to clear up the fluff and hype -> http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news..._tpc/index.htm

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Originally Posted by spockman

Obama. Will raise ... taxes

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Do you not understand that for a government to spend 300 billion dollars on a war, that money has to come from somewhere? I don't understand where republicans think that the military's money comes from. Bush caused the raise in taxes, Obama is just the one who has to actually do it.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Your opinions are respected and I thank you for them. Regarding taxes...please refer here to clear up the fluff and hype -> http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news..._tpc/index.htm

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I don't know if that link covers it or not, but presidents don't raise taxes. Just like presidents have no effect on gas prices. It's all up to Congress, etc. etc.

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McCain: The average taxpayer in every income group would see a lower tax bill, but high-income taxpayers would benefit more than everyone else.

Obama: High-income taxpayers would pay more in taxes, while everyone else's tax bill would be reduced. Those who benefit the most - in terms of reducing their taxes as a percentage of after-tax income - are in the lowest income groups.

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This is what it said in the article. From this I gather that Obama will raise taxes on the rich. I don't have any problem with this. But I don't know how valid this article actually is. It seems to me like both candidates want a larger federal government, so I'm not voting for either of them.

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It seems to me like both candidates want a larger federal government, so I'm not voting for either of them.

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How do you gather?

Personally, I would be very happy if one of the candidates, Republican or Democrat, had more states rights as one fo their major platforms. (Although it wouldn't seem characteristic of the democratic party.)

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How do you feel about a presidential candidate whose approved with 90% of George W Bush's decisions?
It's sickening, no McBush, and no 4 more years!
I'm okay with it really. George W. Bush was a great president that made our country great.
Impartial

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No offense Jeff, but it's kind of a partial poll... Hehe.

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Originally Posted by spockman

How do you gather?

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I really didn't phrase that very well, but I meant the current trend is toward more government and I really don't think that either candidate will do much to make the government smaller. Especially not obama. I really don't like all this bullshit about health care.


But mccain supports things like the war on drugs, war on terror. These are policies that cause problems and don't in any way solve the problem the were created to solve. People will always use drugs and as long as there are opressive governments there will be terrorism. This is what I meant when I say that mccain supports large government.

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Originally Posted by stonedape

This is what it said in the article. From this I gather that Obama will raise taxes on the rich. I don't have any problem with this. But I don't know how valid this article actually is.

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His tax plan is on him website, yes he will tax the wealthy and cut taxes on the middle class.

I'll take your word for it. I'm not voting fo him because I think he wants to make change by increasing the influence of the government in peoples lives. This is not the kind of change we need. We need to drastically cut the size of the federal government, and I don't think either candidate will do anything like that. At the very least we need to stop this war on drugs garbage.

But I think that obama will win. Not that I want him to, but at least he has a plan to get us out of Iraq.

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Originally Posted by stonedape

I'll take your word for it. I'm not voting fo him because I think he wants to make change by increasing the influence of the government in peoples lives. This is not the kind of change we need. We need to drastically cut the size of the federal government, and I don't think either candidate will do anything like that. At the very least we need to stop this war on drugs garbage.

But I think that obama will win. Not that I want him to, but at least he has a plan to get us out of Iraq.

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If you don't like either nominees then vote for the lesser of two evils. The tax plans have been dissected over and over and OVER again. It boils down to this...(as ninja said) Obama will increase taxes for family's making $250,000+ a year and decrease them for the middle class. McCain's middle class tax cut on the other hand pails in comparison to Obama's. Seeing as when the numbers are run, his middle class tax cut cuts less than HALF the amount that Obama's would. And what pisses me off is that he says Obama's tax cut will raise taxes and his will drop them lower. Don't take anybody's word for it. Google is your friend, visit both nominees websites and study the material arduously, watch CNN, etc. Instead of just saying we need to shrink the federal reserve (and probably try and support Ron Paul) get active in what your country is doing NOW and whose running for the ultimate seat of power NOW.

Vote ME!!!! I promise change!!! (We'll invade 5 countries instead of just 2)

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

If you don't like either nominees then vote for the lesser of two evils. The tax plans have been dissected over and over and OVER again. It boils down to this...(as ninja said) Obama will increase taxes for family's making $250,000+ a year and decrease them for the middle class. McCain's middle class tax cut on the other hand pails in comparison to Obama's. Seeing as when the numbers are run, his middle class tax cut cuts less than HALF the amount that Obama's would. And what pisses me off is that he says Obama's tax cut will raise taxes and his will drop them lower. Don't take anybody's word for it. Google is your friend, visit both nominees websites and study the material arduously, watch CNN, etc. Instead of just saying we need to shrink the federal reserve (and probably try and support Ron Paul) get active in what your country is doing NOW and whose running for the ultimate seat of power NOW.

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I think Ron paul has a chance in 2012 so I'm supporting him now as I think it will have an effect on the next election. I don't support the policies of either of the 2 candidates so I can not vote for them. Voting is not about the lesser of 2 evil, it's about choosing someone who can actually run the country and do what needs to be done as president. I don't think barack or jon are fit to run a country.

I'd vote for Obama if he was willing to drill while we wait for alternative fuels that haven't yet matured enough for primetime. And if he supported nuclear power.

It's a win-win for the environmental and alternative fuels crowd. Fuel prices are too high. Electric cars still have a way to go before there's a kind of battery/capacitor that can be charged in a short time and last a long time. Once we have electric cars, power them on clean and efficent nuclear power grids and keep the oil for the plastics, farm equipment, and jets.

This windfall profits tax policy of his is the most asinine and socialist thing i ever heard. Go ahead, take from those bad evil rich people! You do also know that the tax gets passed right on down to the pump, right?

Drill, drill, drill. Drill through ANWR. It's not going to hurt anything. Drill in the gulf. Get us off the towelhead dictators' oil so we can bring prices down and allow the alternative technologies to mature. They're a good five, ten years off WITH space age-like dedication in the industry.

So, I will vote for McCain. Not exactly his energy policy, but he's willing to provide incentives for alternative fuels, supports nuclear power, and will drill.

Need I add it's also bad foreign policy to meet with our enemies unconditionally.

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If you don't like either nominees then vote for the lesser of two evils.

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I disagree. If you don't like either do the Cthulhu write in vote.
(Why vote for the lesser of two evils?)
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