Originally Posted by
juroara
ohhh man!! I will never look at microbes the same...they sound so cute! like a pac man video game!
science wants us to believe in some funny things
they don't believe in a higher power controlling the beauty of nature. thats fine and dandy really!! but neither do they believe that plants or any other lower life forms have any sort of consciousness
they are just........rocks...rocks that swim. rocks that grow. rocks that eat and rocks that reproduce. UNCONSCIOUS, NONCONSCIOUS living things.
I'm having a hard time understanding why microbes would form themselves into the first animals, entirely accidentally since there was no thought, no motive, no intent, no desire no goal TO FORM TO BEGIN WITH. It was a completely unconscious accidental process right??? Right??? I mean since the basic cell can't think, THEY DIDN'T MEAN to join together and create complex animals? It was a magical unconscious random processof the math lord? right?
I am not buying this idea that there is no conscious process in the origin/history of life! If you look at the whole picture, and if you look at the basic picture, you still have LIVING CELLS in every living organism. You still living cells influencing even the human being, into eating certain foods, into having sex, or this or that against our will, all for the sake of this giant massive community of what...of what???
CELLS
the human body IS a giant community of cells all working together to keep this community going. AGAINST YOUR WILL. Why against your will? Slit your wrist, it's already trying to undo your damage. It doesn't give a damn if you want to die. It will fight for its communal life. and..I'm supposed to believe, this amazing body is the result of an entirely unconscious accidental process of nature?
illogical if you ask me
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you know once upon a time science said the same thing about plants. plants are just mindless rocks that grow green. well, modern studies are proving this age old idea WRONG. plants, as it turns out, are actually self aware.
how does a programmer get a mindless robot to start forming communities for a greater cause? he programs it too :D
so pick your poison
either a creator told these mindless cells 'form'. or the basic life form isn't a mindless robot after all. either way, the history of life is entirely illogical without consciousness being the drive behind it.
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I think part of the problem why we struggle so much with the idea that something without a brain can have any sort of self awareness, is because of the uniqueness of our consciousness
putting the belief of the soul aside, our consciousness is taking place in the brain. but the interesting thing is, our consciousness is NOT the brain. our consciousness IS the ME, IS the I. That 'I' is NOT the arm. That 'I' is NOT the legs, its not any body part. It's NOT the brain!!
WHAT IS THE 'I' THEN? What is your consciousness then if it is not any organ, or any body part? Its the ghost in the machine. Our consciousness is sooo detached from our body, if we could put our brains in a robot body, you would still be you.
So, we have this 'I'. And we live by this 'I'. And this 'I' is so important, its hard to imagine consciousness without a singular, identifiable 'I'.
Well the funny thing is, it turns out the human mind doesn't have a singular, easily, identifiable 'I'. It turns out the human mind has a DUAL consciousness. And we interact with this OTHER consciousness every night. The subconscious!!
Now again, this idea of consciousness being anything other than 'I' is other worldly and hard to grasp. So people automatically say "Well the subconscious is like a computer storing data. Thats all. Its not really conscious"
of course you would say its not really conscious, thats creepy. thats weird. to think about two minds in one body.
heres a question. have you ever held a conversation with a dream character?? yeah. a computer storing data can't do that. the subconscious creates the dream world. it runs it. it is the voice behind every dream character, and lets be honest here. its superior when it comes to the imagination!!
it is not a 'mindless' storing data computer as people like to view it just to make themselves more comfortable.
the subconscious is a real consciousness, it is a apart of 'you', just not the Conscious You, as you recognize it.
but the interesting thing about the subconsciousness is, it is not an 'I' consciousness as we understand. The subconscious is much closer to the whole body and the body's needs and urges. Its more primal, more instinctual and closer to our dna programming. Because it doesn't have an 'I' identity, it doesn't necessarily have the individual aspirations that the Conscious You has. It lives in the memories you give it. It does not dream.
But it does have desires. It has things it hates. Things its addicted to.
The Conscious You says "I'm going to quit smoking!" The subconscious just laughs and says "Try me!"
the point is, we have a dual nature that most people don't recognize. the point is, even our own mind shows us consciousness isn't always an 'I'
The brain is an amazing thing. . yet what is it basically?
Cells.
Cells organized in a community of cells.
Cells organized in a community of cells communicating information!!!
The sum of this information leads to consciousness as we understand it****************
As it turns out. . . Plants have cells. These cells are extremely specialized and well organized. . .They communicate information!!!!! Why are we still looking for a 'brain'? Its right there under our noses.
