say the unsayable

This is gonna get jumped on most likely,and im sure i will look heartless blah blah... so be it.

I disagree with people who do those appeals of " my child is sick send him to disneyworld please donate x amount of dollars"

I have no problem with charitable giving.
I donate money to a charity every month from my wages.
I have no problem with people asking for money to help a sick or dying child.

However how is sending them ( and prob their whole family) to disneyworld a justifiable cause? yes yes the child is sick and having a rough time, and yes it would be a great treat for them, but why not ask for money for something that lasts more than 2 weeks to make their life better, My career is leading me into the occupational health field, its based around sick, autistic kids,and i would love them all to go to disneyworld and have a great time, build memorys and enjoy themselves, But what i want more ( and would for my own child) is them to have the best equipment, the most comfortable enviroment to live in, the best sensory room, the best garden to play in, and the best medical treatment, surely instead of giving them two weeks of fun ( which of course the parents, siblings and great aunt three times removed benefits from) they should be asking for money to give them the best life they can overall.
Of course if the child is dying it is a slightly different story.
What are your thoughts,feelings on this?

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:D Go ahead and move it, i never know where to put things

Its usually only done when the child is dying. Other wise, they never would have gotten the chance to see disney world, a place that many children would very much like to see. For these kids, there is no future, there terminally ill. I haven't heard of a sick kid who could recover being sent to disney world or the like. If that is the case, then I wouldn't support it.

The uk is a country of unemployed benefit dwellers, most kids from here never get to see disneyworld, or anywhere but the job centre and school.

I have a problem with charitable giving in general. I think people use it as a means to make themselves feel better, justifying they don't actually have to help because they send money. It's like saying I'm not a racist because I have a black friend.

I agree, they should probably help the kid be more comfortable with dying instead of acting like it's not going to happen. Taking their mind off it by sending them on rides. It's dumb.
Maybe it would be better just to help them learn meditation or such things. Learn to accept that they are going to die. Then again, a lot of kids who are dying usually don't have that fear of death anyway. I dunno really....

But I do know that the money could be better spent.

what worlds do you guys live in? it must be black and white

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Originally Posted by marlie

This is gonna get jumped on most likely,and im sure i will look heartless blah blah... so be it.

I disagree with people who do those appeals of " my child is sick send him to disneyworld please donate x amount of dollars"

I have no problem with charitable giving.
I donate money to a charity every month from my wages.
I have no problem with people asking for money to help a sick or dying child.

However how is sending them ( and prob their whole family) to disneyworld a justifiable cause? yes yes the child is sick and having a rough time, and yes it would be a great treat for them, but why not ask for money for something that lasts more than 2 weeks to make their life better, My career is leading me into the occupational health field, its based around sick, autistic kids,and i would love them all to go to disneyworld and have a great time, build memorys and enjoy themselves, But what i want more ( and would for my own child) is them to have the best equipment, the most comfortable enviroment to live in, the best sensory room, the best garden to play in, and the best medical treatment, surely instead of giving them two weeks of fun ( which of course the parents, siblings and great aunt three times removed benefits from) they should be asking for money to give them the best life they can overall.
Of course if the child is dying it is a slightly different story.
What are your thoughts,feelings on this?

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You have a big heart, it's becoming of you. Whereas a dying kid's wish MIGHT be to go to Disney world, whose to tell them differently? It IS after all what THEY want. Let's apply this to a different situation with the same context shall we? Little kids want to eat cookies and candy all day yet their parents want them to eat healthy food because they ultimately know it's good for them. You can't relay calories, adipose tissue, and the like to a 5 year old. They know sugar is good and vegetables are yucky. Therefore it's a parent's duty to ensure their child IS eating proper foods as well though the kid's might not think too highly of it. Going back to the dying child that wants to go to Disney world situation...though your intentions might be good (ensuring that they have something to hold onto that lasts them more than two weeks) just the same, your wants may not line up perfectly with what they want. Wisdom is needed in situations like this.

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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I have a problem with charitable giving in general. I think people use it as a means to make themselves feel better, justifying they don't actually have to help because they send money. It's like saying I'm not a racist because I have a black friend.

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Another important thing, when giving money to charity, is to know EXACTLY where it is going. Best to know someone locally (or someone who knows someone, it's not that hard to inform oneself) and give it directly to that person. Out of own experience: Big institutions are also bureaucratic organisations, a lot of that money is going to waste and is not used in the most effective way or goes right into own pockets (not all, but too much). Also there is the kind of 'help' that does more harm in the end. Another thing is that there are those governments in certain countries who take on the (for example) food and they are the ones distributing it, so a lot of it never reaches the ones that need it the most.

We seem to live in a world, where it is easy to do harm, but it is very difficult and complicated to do good.

Very true dajo, the biggest charity organisation in Australia takes 80% of profits. I don't know how they still run. Anyone who really wants to help should just go to the country themselves. But then I spose all those 3rd world countries would die off if everyone had that stance.

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Originally Posted by marlie

This is gonna get jumped on most likely,and im sure i will look heartless blah blah... so be it.

I disagree with people who do those appeals of " my child is sick send him to disneyworld please donate x amount of dollars"

I have no problem with charitable giving.
I donate money to a charity every month from my wages.
I have no problem with people asking for money to help a sick or dying child.

However how is sending them ( and prob their whole family) to disneyworld a justifiable cause? yes yes the child is sick and having a rough time, and yes it would be a great treat for them, but why not ask for money for something that lasts more than 2 weeks to make their life better, My career is leading me into the occupational health field, its based around sick, autistic kids,and i would love them all to go to disneyworld and have a great time, build memorys and enjoy themselves, But what i want more ( and would for my own child) is them to have the best equipment, the most comfortable enviroment to live in, the best sensory room, the best garden to play in, and the best medical treatment, surely instead of giving them two weeks of fun ( which of course the parents, siblings and great aunt three times removed benefits from) they should be asking for money to give them the best life they can overall.
Of course if the child is dying it is a slightly different story.
What are your thoughts,feelings on this?

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Well a scenario where a child or ill individual would be sent to Disney World or the likes is similar to what they do in the make a wish foundation. And of course the purpose of this is to fulfill the last wish of a terminally ill individual. Which means this individual is going to die regardless of the treatment they receive.

And besides it's not like by sending the individual to Disney World that when they come back they stop getting treatment. They still receive their medication, still go to the hospital, and still get everything they need. What you have done by sending them to such a place is providing probably one of the most enjoyable experiences of their entire life. You sent them to one of the most magical places on Earth in a child's eyes and not only that they are experiencing it with their family and loved ones. You ultimately fulfill the dying wish of a individual.

You are creating one of the best memories that they will possess and take with them to the grave. If you are going to die in a few weeks or a month or so why would you want material goods that you will simply lose upon death? These sorts of cases where the individual is most likely going to die where they do things like this.


For other people who are not facing death they don't usually do the Disney World gig, or make a wish sort of thing. They just let the individual deal with the treatment, and more often than not they are out-patients going in for checkups and routine surgeries and the return home afterward with their families until the next visit.

To be quite honest you should reiterate the point you were trying to get across. You didn't really give an example that would apply to what you are talking about.

I think he's more talking about randoms that appear on the news to get money from people. ACA, TT etc. Sometimes even normal news.

yes tommo correct ( altho im a she :P ) The case in particular that started the thought process was people in the town centre.. i was buying shoes and in a great mood, i came out of the store at the opposite end to which i entered it and there was a family sat with a table and home made leaflets and stuff asking people to donate money to send their sick child to disneyworld, I took the leaflet handed to me and read it as i walked through town and it stated that they needed money to take and i quote " 8 year old ben and his 4 siblings and parents to disneyworld as he had recently finished chemotherapy for leukemia and deserved a little joy now hes on his way to recovery and had a hard time"
So first of all... hes not even sick anymore and second of all why the fk should i pay for his 4 siblings and parents to go, he NEEDS one adult with him i accept that much.
It was blatently a cheap and tasteless way to profit from their childs previous illness.

but if he was still sick.. my previous statement still stands.. money could be used better elsewhere for him.

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but if he was still sick.. my previous statement still stands.. money could be used better elsewhere for him.

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Did you read my post...at all? marlie, I bet you would get a laugh at this...

Child Bankrupts Make A Wish Foundation

She said say the unsayable.

I expect it to be deleted by moderation

Thereby, unsayable.

Omicron wins.

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Originally Posted by Omicron

She said say the unsayable.

I expect it to be deleted by moderation

Thereby, unsayable.

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:? Cheer up emo kid.

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LMAO @ the Onion. Love that shit.