Thread: War on Drugs

OMG i posted in the drug war thread before UM!

Not to mention it would totally stop drug cartels in the US, because they would not be able to make illegal money.

Mexican Drug Lord Officially Thanks American Lawmakers for Keeping Drugs Illegal
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Share Print CommentsJoaquin "El Chapo" Guzman Loera reported head of the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico, ranked 701st on Forbes' yearly report of the wealthiest men alive, and worth an estimated $1 billion, today officially thanked United States politicians for making sure that drugs remain illegal. According to one of his closest confidants, he said, "I couldn't have gotten so stinking rich without George Bush, George Bush Jr., Ronald Reagan, even El Presidente Obama, none of them have the cajones to stand up to all the big money that wants to keep this stuff illegal. From the bottom of my heart, I want to say, Gracias amigos, I owe my whole empire to you."

According to sources in the Mexican government, President Calderon is begging American officials to, in the words of reggae great Peter Tosh, legalize it. "Oh yeah," said an official close to the Mexican president, "Felipe is going crazy. He's screaming at everybody who comes in, 'Why don't they make this sh*t legal already! You're killing me here!' Look, everyone knows, when you have Prohibition, you create gangsters. And the more you prohibit, the more gangsters you make. El Chapo is hero now to all those slumdogs who want to be millionaires. Kids in the street, when they play games, they all want to be El Chapo, the baddest man in the whole damn town."

Meanwhile, many speculate that rich and prominent Mexican families are in cahoots with American businessmen in the alcohol industry, wealthy industrialists who launder the unprecedented profits from the drug business with their legitimate enterprises, and lawmakers who get gigantic kickbacks and payoffs to make sure that these drugs remain illegal, so they can remain rich, fat and happy. According to sources on both sides of the border, tens of millions of dollars in payoffs and kickbacks are stashed in Swiss banks every year, blood money from the brutal business made possible by a corrupt system supported by laws that don't, and have never, worked.

Rather than putting El Chapo and his kind out of business by modernizing outdated laws and in the process making billions of dollars from taxing drugs (as is done with cigarettes and alcohol), United States government has spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars chasing its tail, and offered a $5 million reward for the capture of El Chapo. Many have said that the offer is unofficially: Dead or Alive.

Meanwhile, as an epidemic of murderous violence rages on the Mexican-US border, and the American government wastes boatloads of badly needed money on the illegal drug business which results from the Prohibition laws, El Chapo is laughing all the way to the bank. "Whoever came up with this whole War on Drugs," one of his lieutenants reports he said, "I would like to kiss him on the lips and shake his hand and buy him dinner with caviar and champagne. The War on Drugs is the greatest thing that ever happened to me, and the day they decide to end that war, will be a sad one for me and all of my closest friends. And if you don't believe me, ask those guys whose heads showed up in the ice chests."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_179596.html

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

I thought this read was pretty interesting.

http://world.std.com/~swmcd/steven/rants/future.html

Not only that, but if they do legalize drugs, and control the sale of it..do you know how much profit the government would make? They'd make a killing.

Comments? Thoughts?

I agree with that article so much and have made those same points so many times I wondered for a moment if I wrote it myself at some point. It is exactly right.

The war on drugs is just symbolism over substance. It has people going, "Well hey, we're doing something about the drug problem." No you're not!!!! Really, it just makes drugs look cool, makes organized crime insanely powerful, wastes zillions of dollars, and gets tons and tons of good people wasting their lives in the nightmare of prison. Trying to get Republicans and Democrats to understand that is like trying to throw a house through a basketball hoop.

So i wonder what it'll look like in 5 more years if they keep doing this.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The war on drugs is just symbolism over substance. It has people going, "Well hey, we're doing something about the drug problem." No you're not!!!! Really, it just makes drugs look cool, makes organized crime insanely powerful, wastes zillions of dollars, and gets tons and tons of good people wasting their lives in the nightmare of prison.

Yep, all correct.

Also: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...riminalization

Yeah, it is pretty depressing when the government can think they control what individuals put in their own bodies. Also it is making states of conciseness illegal is even more ludicrous...

The war on drugs is a joke, a cruel joke...

oooh here's a good quote
"If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." Terrence McKenna

1/3 of overdoses happen with prescription drugs.

More people die from Tobacco than marijuana

psychedelics can be used for therapy

alcohol can be pretty dangerous

Some are legal some are not...Doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

More people die from Tobacco than marijuana

IMO the two aren't even comparable in the amount of damage they cause. More people die of A LOT of stuff than die of marijuana. And the deaths that do happen aren't even a direct cause of the marijuana itself.

Annual Causes of Death in the United States

Tobacco435,000Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity365,000Alcohol85,000 Microbial Agents75,000Toxic Agents55,000Motor Vehicle Crashes26,347Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs32,000Suicide30,622Incidents Involving Firearms29,000Homicide20,308Sexual Behaviors20,000All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect17,000 Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin7,600Marijuana 0

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I agree with that article so much and have made those same points so many times I wondered for a moment if I wrote it myself at some point. It is exactly right.

The war on drugs is just symbolism over substance. It has people going, "Well hey, we're doing something about the drug problem." No you're not!!!! Really, it just makes drugs look cool, makes organized crime insanely powerful, wastes zillions of dollars, and gets tons and tons of good people wasting their lives in the nightmare of prison. Trying to get Republicans and Democrats to understand that is like trying to throw a house through a basketball hoop.

Ahh, so true. Amazing how insensitive some people are to logic. And I've known a lot of experienced drug users who have never chosen to try salvia when I asked them because, and I quote, "well, y'know, its legal". Which strongly suggests in many cases they're just doing harder drugs for that cool novelty factor.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

IMO the two aren't even comparable in the amount of damage they cause. More people die of A LOT of stuff than die of marijuana. And the deaths that do happen aren't even a direct cause of the marijuana itself.

I knew that no one has died of marijuana. I'm just comparing to herbs that are used for smoking. Although you never know, because most people who smoke marijuana smoke tobacco as well, or tobacco with their marijuana. Maybe if you found someone who has only ever smoked marijuana and contracted lung cancer...but that hasn't happened yet.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I agree with that article so much and have made those same points so many times I wondered for a moment if I wrote it myself at some point. It is exactly right.

The war on drugs is just symbolism over substance. It has people going, "Well hey, we're doing something about the drug problem." No you're not!!!! Really, it just makes drugs look cool, makes organized crime insanely powerful, wastes zillions of dollars, and gets tons and tons of good people wasting their lives in the nightmare of prison. Trying to get Republicans and Democrats to understand that is like trying to throw a house through a basketball hoop.

Absolutely true.

We can all see evidence of this by the Prohibition of Alcohol.

The problem I really have with the whole stance of "some of these are illegal, others are fine" is that the decision is arbitrary. Alcohol is one of the most harmful drugs there is when you consider the long term social and physiological effects, yet is completely legal.

That said, I don't think the state has any right whatsoever to prevent people of sound mind from doing what they want to their body, as long as it harms no one else.

And I think that standardising the production of other purified, uncontaminated products would significantly reduce the dangers that they possess. Not to mention that legalising it would allow people to openly seek advice on how to take various drugs in a safe(r) and responsible way.

The only reason alcohol is still legal is because it's so far ingrained in human culture that it's impossible to remove. And besides, since almost any idiot can make their own with a simple recipe, you can't enforce a prohibition on alcohol.

But if it were introduced today, it would definitely be banned or else tightly scheduled. Since 'marijuana' was almost unheard of and unused by the easily misled WASP majority at the time, who believed that anything in print or on the air had to be true, it was easy to make it look positively evil and necessary to ban. That's exactly what William Randolph Hearst did to protect his interest in the forest industry, since hemp was becoming a competitor to paper produced from trees.

I would be the first person to open up a store for hard drugs. and paraphernalia. chore boy, needles, pipes, real drugs.... dream come true. easy money. the world would be a lot uglier though.

Originally Posted by Michael

I would be the first person to open up a store for hard drugs. and paraphernalia. chore boy, needles, pipes, real drugs.... dream come true. easy money. the world would be a lot uglier though.

Don't see how that could happen.

If it were legal, yea you could open up a store, sell everything, crack, coke, dope, pills, smack, cd's, dvd's. The whole black market in one store...like one big ass illegal wal-mart. lol

Business would be booming, I mean you would seriously profit off of it, you'd have business coming in all hours of the night. But thats if it were legal. If it was illegal, FEDS would either kick down the door and raid your shit, or some shit of drug dealers would rob you, etc.

That's why the government should do it their self. That way, you'd put the drug dealers out of business because nine times out of ten the government would have to drop the street price on the drugs. So that would end the drug problem right there. But i don't know about the crime, there would still be crime, because if a dope head doesn't have any money, he might try to rob someone to get into that store to get his fix.

Making it illegal isn't doing anything though, someone was right when they said the reason alcohol was legal is because it is so engrossed in culture.

Here's a video from my bestest friendest for everest, Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Br2...layer_embedded

Originally Posted by Michael

I would be the first person to open up a store for hard drugs. and paraphernalia. chore boy, needles, pipes, real drugs.... dream come true. easy money. the world would be a lot uglier though.

6,000 people were killed in Mexico last year as a result of drug cartel violence. (I think that's what I just heard on the news. I was typing when I heard it.) How many do you think would have been killed over drugs if the drugs were legal? How much would the theft rate go down?

Have any of you ever heard of somebody mugging, burglarizing, car jacking, or prostituting themselves so they could get beer or cigarettes?

I think people who want drugs pretty much get them. Legalizing would just make drugs seem less attractive to young people and cut out the Al Capone element and the suck dick or mug for crack type element.

My parents' argument against legalizing MJ was that "The cop isn't out to get people. The only reason he nails people for marijuana is that he knows that the person with marijuana is doing something else, but can't prove it. Marijuana possession is a concrete offense: you either have it or not. So he arrests them on drug charges because of the other crime."

They also believe that it is still as addictive as heroin. Mom jumps on the gateway theory bandwagon. No matter how much I say that that's a result of the prohibition itself, she doesn't believe it. She also believes whatever is said on Dr. Phil. She goes on about how she's "seen people waste their lives, college scholarships, etc." on drugs. I say, "how many of these people would have wasted their lives anyway?"

I tell them about the drug violence in Mexico. Their conclusion: they just like to beat up on each other.

I don't believe that line of bullshit.

Originally Posted by Odd_Nonposter

My parents' argument against legalizing MJ was that "The cop isn't out to get people. The only reason he nails people for marijuana is that he knows that the person with marijuana is doing something else, but can't prove it. Marijuana possession is a concrete offense: you either have it or not. So he arrests them on drug charges because of the other crime."

They also believe that it is still as addictive as heroin. Mom jumps on the gateway theory bandwagon. No matter how much I say that that's a result of the prohibition itself, she doesn't believe it. She also believes whatever is said on Dr. Phil. She goes on about how she's "seen people waste their lives, college scholarships, etc." on drugs. I say, "how many of these people would have wasted their lives anyway?"

I tell them about the drug violence in Mexico. Their conclusion: they just like to beat up on each other.

I don't believe that line of bullshit.

Do we have the same mother and just don't know it?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Do we have the same mother and just don't know it?

Probably just the same generation, brainwashed by the same people.

Edit: She says that I'm "being brainwashed by all of those potheaded internet hippies."

Originally Posted by Odd_Nonposter

Edit: She says that I'm "being brainwashed by all of those potheaded internet hippies."

Haha, I love when brainwashed people want to tell you, that you have been
brainwashed, because your opinion differs from the 'norm', after informing oneself.

I mean, what do you want to respond to that?
'Wha...? I was..? No, You were... ARRrrghH' *headexplodes*

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Here's a video from my bestest friendest for everest, Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Br2...layer_embedded

Ron Paul: Apparently way too sane to be President.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

Ron Paul: Apparently way too sane to be President.

Clearly. It's a shame.