It's sort of a new flu. Isn't it just an 'extra' strand? I think that's why there's all of the hype. It's been turning everyone into hypochondriacs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral41
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It's sort of a new flu. Isn't it just an 'extra' strand? I think that's why there's all of the hype. It's been turning everyone into hypochondriacs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral41
I do get that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Only you'd like to use a virus to murder people, while people dieing of overpoputation is only natural and no one's fault.
In the end, both scenarios sound horrible to me.
Unlike you, I'll never be happy because people die.
Dying from a virus is natural too, and not anyone's fault. Overpopulation would be all of our fault. Because we didn't lower our birthrate.
I'd never be HAPPY that people died either, you've misunderstood. But I'd be happy that MORE people didn't die.
what animal says "gee golly, we should lower our birthrate" :hrm:
blame mother nature herself for giving us the edge
That statement didn't even make any sense in regards to what I said.
I was strictly saying, that mother nature hasn't given us an edge at all. More people would die form overpopulation then a virus. Point and fact.
On the other hand, 'mother nature' also gave us the edge of having a fucking right brain. To be able to look at the situation and say, "okay if we become more 'in tune' with nature in what we do, we will be able to avoid mass extinction in the future". By in tune I mean, less people, less consumption, less mining of harmful chemicals etc.
So all in all, your little one-liners do shit all for your weak argument.
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The WHO has just declared it an official pandemic: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...0gOYQD98OH0U00
I thought that everybody pretty much forgot about it. Are they just trying to scare people now?
Probably. I haven't heard of the Mexican flu in ages either.
It's all complete bullcr*p if you ask me. It could mutate though, which means it's a potential threat; but not quite yet.
Yeah, apparently Victoria, Australia made it a pandemic lol
Thanks you unhygienic bastards.
What the hell are you guys talking about? The WHO is a vital organisation respected throughout the world, not a media machine.
They made it quite clear in the statement that elevation to pandemic levels does not mean that the virus has become more dangerous, it has simply satisfied the scientific criteria for a pandemic, being widespread and continuing transmission in more than one continent.
The problem is not how many people this thing has killed at the moment, it's the fact that come winter it'll be spreading very quickly indeed and may mutate into something much more serious and kill unknown millions of people, as the Spanish flu of 1918 did.
Well, they changed the criteria for Pandemic, it has to affect a certain number of people now I think. Not just spread around the Earth.
This was because they didn't want to freak people out like the media did at first.
I don't know who was complaining about the WHO being media?
I don't think anyone was. We were saying the MEDIA likes the hypeness.
Odd Nonposter seemed to be pretty clear... "The WHO has just declared it an official pandnemic... are they just trying to scare people now?".
I think most people just don't know what the WHO is... isn't it 40 years since they last declared a pandemic? They are in a position of immense responsibility and it's something they don't take lightly.
Every flu every year is a pandemic, I don't know why they don't call them pandemics. So maybe they ARE just trying to scare people? lol
I doubt it but it would be because the media brought so much attention they had to do something.
I didn't intend to say that the WHO are trying to scare people: the news media are. I forgot to mention that just about every news station is playing it like its a really big deal, when it has just about faded from everybody's mindset entirely.
No, that is seasonal epidemics. First when they become pandemics they have a risk of killing a lot of people, which happens around 3 times per hundred years.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
That lastest pandemic was in 1968, the "Hong Kong Flu".
i havent read the whole discussion, so sorry if this has already been said.
swine flu has a very high spread rate, that is why everyone is panicking. but im not really panicking, because it is very easily treated, apart from rare cases. infact there is someone critically ill in a hospital near me and he spread it to a doctor, and my mum works there. but there is no chance of her getting it so im not worried about that. nor am i worried about the 3 possible cases of swine flu in my school.
Ah no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia
They only just changed it so it has to have a certain amount of severity as well. Pandemics only just now has been changed to mean that it kills a set number of people. Dunno what that number is.
But maybe seasonal epidemic makes more sense for the normal flu, never heard about that.
The Who is a joke, along with this virus.
Agreed, apparently they haven't changed the qualifications for a pandemic at all now. They just delayed it because they didn't want to create fear. How scientific....
What is wrong with your brain?Quote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
Seriously, just read up about epidemiology, the WHO, and in particular the spread of the Spanish flu of 1918, before attempting to speak with any authority about your mad conspiracy theories.
Anybody who thinks that infectious disease is not an extremely important problem for the human race has been, I'm afraid, completely nullified into a mindset of false security by modern society. Which is kind of ironic considering that's the exact opposite of what you preach.
A second ago spreading fear was a bad thing. How consistent.Quote:
Agreed, apparently they haven't changed the qualifications for a pandemic at all now. They just delayed it because they didn't want to create fear. How scientific....
The WHO acts in a way that will minimise any damage of any infectious disease, and so communicating with the press in a calm and controlled manner is very high up their list of priorities.
It's actually completely consistent. You're just looking at it the wrong way. Surface details.
I was saying before that the MEDIA was spreading fear. They weren't being scientific, we didn't know anything about this virus then. They were acting like the world was going to end.
Then we learned a bit more and we know it's highly contagious, but very non-lethal. And the WHO decide to delay calling it a pandemic just to stop fear.
Spreading fear is a bad thing. I never said it wasn't. But spreading fear isn't always a result of bringing people's attention to the issue. The media makes it that way. Yet the who compromised science (telling people it's a pandemic) simply to delay fear.
http://rlv.zcache.com/swine_flu_bewa...63vsu7_500.jpg
http://www.africahit.com/news/images.../6482/u1_1.jpg
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Guys, get with the program.
Swine flu is soo two months ago.
Swine flu is a danger because it kills (untreated, i think) 0.1% of it's carriers. That doesn't really seem so bad, but it's main victims are the young and healthy, as opposed to the old and frail of regular flu. At the moment we have a treatment for it, but if it mutates to be resistant to our treatments and/or more viral, it could be very bad. I don't want to know what eliminating one thousandth of the working population of the world will do.
LOL LOL You just come in and restate what's been said, about a month too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish
MOST pandemics are like that, killing people whose immune systems over react to the virus, thus killing themselves. This Swine Flu doesn't do that. It's only killing people with weak immune systems. You don't need a vaccine for this. I am NEVER getting a flu vaccine, you do not need them. Poorer, starving countries maybe. Not here.
OMG HAHA That's so true. But it should have a thing outside the circles "Smart People"
Is this thing still going? i fell off the face of the Earth following this non sense.
I didn't know that was a symptom.
Tool.
Tool (with ego).Quote:
OMG HAHA That's so true. But it should have a thing outside the circles "Smart People"
1918:
http://dartmed.dartmouth.edu/winter0...comfort_01.jpg
1348:
http://www.sott.net/image/image/5232...thbrueghel.jpg
Study some biology. Study some history.
Then shed your extremely bloated sense of how special you and the rest of the human race is.
Then come back and talk.
It's like you doofuses never even heard about the black death. Snap the hell out of it.
A thing or two has changed since 1918, not to mention 1348. The hygiene is better, fewer people are starving, and we have better medication. The chances of someone dieing of swine flu aren't all that great. There's no real reason to worry unless you live in an affected area or plan to travel to one.
OWned Xei.Quote:
Originally Posted by khh
Plus even if your area is infected. You're not gonna die unless you're on the verge of death already.
No, not remotely 'owned'?? Serious question; to what degree have you studied biology?
Because your knowledge base seems appalling.
Yes, of course we have better hygiene; we also have a better understanding of disease (which was totally non-existent in 1348).
However that will be completely useless when a novel strain arises. Look at swine flu; at the current rate, most people on Earth are going to get it at some point. All it would require is for that virus to mutate into something very deadly. Think that'll never happen..? What about the human immuno defficiency virus? That's extremely new; it's arisen by mutation within the last generation, and it kills everybody.
If such a flu arose, hygiene improvements would achieve absolutely nothing other than a delaying of the disease. And then a vast number of people would die.
And our understanding of viruses would be completely useless too, because it takes decades to work out how viruses function, and then develop cures or vaccines.
The black death caused around 80% of the population of Italy and Spain to be completely wiped out for God's sake, and 50% of the whole of Europe.
Unless you can give some credible reason why this cannot happen again (in a human population many tens of times bigger than it was in the 14th century), you're acting in an extremely naive and ignorant fashion.
That I seriously doubt. We shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Yes, it's possible that it'll mutate, but it won't mutate everywhere. And even if the current relatively harmless swine flu is wide spread, a mutated strain will have to spread again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
It would make sure less people got sick. Also, there is medication that would work against it, and even though there's not enough to everybody (not by a long shot), there's some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
We have a basic understanding, and some medication that works. We won't se a vaccine in years, but cures exist. I'm sure mass production of those would happen if there was a major outbrake. And it takes time for resistance to build up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Why would it stop spreading from person to person?Quote:
That I seriously doubt. We shall see.
Ugh lord...Quote:
Yes, it's possible that it'll mutate, but it won't mutate everywhere. And even if the current relatively harmless swine flu is wide spread, a mutated strain will have to spread again.
Of course it won't mutate everywhere. The large number of viruses stored in the population is increasing the population that one will mutate into a highly virulent strain which spreads through the world much faster and completely displaces the current strain. This is the whole point.
No, hygiene wouldn't stop as many people getting sick; it would just slow the spread down if it was highly virulent. Nothing short of a plastic bubble would stop you being exposed.Quote:
It would make sure less people got sick. Also, there is medication that would work against it, and even though there's not enough to everybody (not by a long shot), there's some.
And the medication would be useless if the strain mutated so that it attacked cells in a different way.
Why wouldn't it. I don't really have a good answer though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Sure, but it would still take some time, and it's not a certain that a mutation will take place. And until one does take place, there's no reason why he public should get worked up about it. Though of course medical personal should be on the lookout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Yes, or if it changes the surface structure or something. Don't really have a clue about how this medication works. But I think some of the medication we have is effective against most strains of flu-viruses, so there's a good chanse it'd work even after a mutation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
VCE level passed with 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I believe if you think this, you just don't get what I'm saying.
And we have medications for that which can help people live a relatively normal life. Also I believe they say that 1 in 5 people will get it. Not everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
LOL LOL LOL LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Xei
You source these disease outbreaks and don't even know anything about them. Cholera anyone?
Wrong. We know they spread through coughing, breathing, touching, sharing cups etc. Not doing this stops the spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I never said it COULDN'T!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Of course it COULD. But it's not happening now!
Swine Flu is not killing anyone anytime soon. When it mutates maybe, but maybe it mutates to be more harmful but less infectious. Then we'll wait another few years and OMG FUCKING DOG FLU IS GONNA KILL EVERYONE!
LOL as khh said, Why wouldn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Why doesn't the seasonal cold spread to everyone?
Virulent how? Infectiously virulent or virulent in it's effects?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
No one says it's definitely gonna be just all round virulent. For all we know it could mutate into some sort of super virus that turns us into super humans with massive 'nads.
Complete BS (See above). But just assume this is true. Just tell everyone to stay at home for a week. Done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I think the point is that by the time such a mutation occurs, it'll be too late to get worked up about it because we won't have vaccines or anything. Its surface proteins that are completely alien to our human immune system, and the high rate of evolution of the virus it came from, make this sort of mutation much more likely to occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by khh
We can hardly make a vaccine for a disease that doesn't exist yet. A mutation would be different from the current one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish
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Originally Posted by Xei
Fearmongering anyone? LOL
the bubonic plague is still around and is an easily treated disease, its quite sad that such an easily treatable disease killed so many in the past, its all about basic common sense hygiene...
Like, don't stay near sick people, wash your hands, don't cough on people......etc
in 1348 or w/e year, people were fucking stupid in terms of hygiene, even in 1918 people didn't have the slightest clue what proper hygiene was.
In those days people were in the same living area as a sick person, and they didn't seem to understand what contagious means.
At least the media calmed down about it...for now.
Someone in my office who sits behind me as been diagnosed with it...
It's quite sad that you would say such an ignorant thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by guerilla
Common sense now was not common sense back 100 years ago and further. What we know now wouldn't have even crossed their minds.
Their common sense was that the people had sinned or had a curse.
And hygiene doesn't cure it lol Streptomycin does.
But I agree with the first sentence, yes, fear mongering to the extreme.
Also I just read this thing and a Dr. Kooy I think, said that this will not mutate into a deadlier strain anyway (most likely). It lacks all of the 3 genes that we know make a deadly strain. You can look this up coz i cbf explaining them, but basically even if it mutates like is highly probably in Australia because we will have seasonal flu and swine flu at the same time, it won't mutate into anything capable of mass deaths.
I really hope most of you wake up in time. The swine flu is fake and is used to scare you into taking a contaminated vaccine most likely.
This video speaks for itself. Apparently it was aired once, and was never shown again.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9m...paganda_webcam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnY_m5Ryk-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDR-UJYms6w
Only time will tell, till then you guys should do some researching on this and really start paying attention to what's going on. Wake up...they don't give a s**t about us.
nice links. hard wired. I aint taking no swine flu shot.
See the links in the guys sidebar http://www.naturodoc.com/library/publ...
http://www.sunherb.com/truth_about_va...
He's a fruitcake.
Mind you SOME of the stuff he says is true. But purposely contaminating vaccines, I doubt that. Why would they wanna kill us when we give them money lol
I'd love to see the public reaction if there ever were a real pandemic - they'd all be like, "yeah whatever, we've heard it all before..." then BAM! They're all dead...
LMAO true, but people who exposed the bullshit over this one would realise that a real pandemic is bad. Because we think logically you see, not just respond on gut instinct. Even still the general population would probably just play into the media hype once again. The average memory span for the average person is about 6 months I've decided.
Okay.Quote:
nice links. hard wired. I aint taking no swine flu shot.
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Originally Posted by Adam
Well that's the risk I'm willing to take. In fact I'll probly have to sign a documents stating just that. I just think it's less likely I'll die from a pandemic if I DON'T take it. There's all sorts of evidence that suggests many vaccines are harmfull.
Of course there is. After all, respectable experts like Jenny McCarthy say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man of Shred
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Originally Posted by DuB
I can't tell if you're being sincere or sarcastic...
I'm not surprised.
LOL Pwnage for DuB
DuB >> MoS pwned
Mos.... From that site.... In 2002 she gave birth to a son named Evan. In 2006 she started promoting Evan as being a “Crystal Child” and herself as being an “Indigo Mom”.
In May 2007 Jenny McCarthy announced that Evan was not a “Crystal Child” after all, but had been diagnosed with autism (there is a possibility that he may have been misdiagnosed). She holds on to the mistaken belief that Evan’s alleged autism was caused by his receiving childhood vaccines. Most anti-vaccination believers claim that the compound thimerosal led to an increase in autism cases.
I believe that site is a counter of how many people she has potentially killed.
Further....
The Measles/Mumps/Rubella vaccine is their usual target. However, thimerosal was never used as a preservative in the Measles/Mumps/Rubella vaccine. All vaccines licensed since 1999, with the exception of a few multidose container vaccines (such as some HIB and Influenza vaccines), have not contained thimerosal as a preservative. Autism has not declined since 1999, thereby disproving this connection. In addition, Jenny McCarthy's child, Evan, was not born until 2002, well after thimerosal had been removed from most childhood vaccines. This has led Jenny McCarthy, and others, to claim that it was the MMR vaccine itself that caused autism or that it was vaccines in general that caused autism. All of these ideas have been disproven in multiple scientific and legal examinations of the evidence.
EDIT: Okay yes that's what the site is.... Sorry I've never heard of her before or the site.
"Jenny McCarthy has a body count attached to her name. This website will publish the total number of vaccine preventable illnesses and vaccine preventable deaths that have happened since June 2007 when she began publicly speaking out against vaccines."
Some idiots in the press published a headline on the same sort of thread a number of years ago in the UK...
Probably caused a few fair deaths of innocents, so nice work there. Completely and utterly unfounded profit-driven idiocy. Should be illegal.
Well, I dunno if you can make that illegal. But everything should be based on science and people touting false science should be stopped from reaching the general public's awareness. But then that opens up all sorts of other issues and extra power or government corruption etc. So in the interests of that not happening, a few babies can die. At least the idiots genes will not live on.
well I'm pretty sure that Mcwhoever isn't very credible anyway. There are other doctors that have the same concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Mcwhoever is not a doctor lol She's a playboy bunny/actress.
There are no credible doctors who have the same concerns. Only conspiracy theorists and over protective mothers.
Jenny Mcwhoever's kid may have suffered from Daycare Orphanage Syndrome. This is my term I use for parents that dump their kids off in a crappy daycare/nanny situation and the children are not provided with mentally stimulating activities or even spoken to/touched on a frequent basis. ( Yes, I know that many autistic kids were extremely well cared for and provided with tons of love and that there are great daycares out there.) Study Romanian orphanage stories about their autistic kids and those with Reactive Attachment Disorder and you can see a similarity between these Romanian orphans and Daycare Orphans.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
How about we stay on topic, eh?
I thought this was about the Mexican Flu.
Second death in the UK yesterday... the weather is extremely nice here at the moment too.
As soon as winter hits properly, we'll know what the situation is. Until then it's really just a waiting game and there' no way of knowing.
Edit: Ah, the third just died.
Now go and tell the disease is fake to the 20+ family members of the people who died in the hospital near here, or make them believe in what the video says <.<Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
3 In Australia too. But it's winter, but yeah not too cold really, not raining and shit. It's not gonna be any worse than normal flu. Which kills a few hundred thousand each year. I think it was 30-40 thousand Australians, and I'm not gonna keep track of that. So I'll just wait until the end of the flu season and see what get's reported as the total death rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Nobody said the disease is fake.... ok wait hardwired did, fuck him he isn't even a regular poster :lol: At least I've never seen him before. Anyway, anyone who believes it is fake, is just deluding themselves, got sucked way too far into conspiracy theories. My conspiracy theory only goes so far.... I believe the people who make the drug are paying the media to hype the shit out of swine flu. So they sell more vaccines. And because the government bought shit loads of tamiflu for the bird flu 'outbreak', the government is paying them too coz they have to sell it before it goes out of date. When tamiflu doesn't do shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
And Maybe just MAYBE the people who made the vaccine made the swine flu too. But I've no evidence for that. It just seems like something they would do. But I'm not denying the flu is actually out there.