Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2009

Authored by Barney Frank..

Send your support, call your rep.

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Congressman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) introduced legislation today to remove criminal penalties for marijuana possession at the federal level. The Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2009 would remove penalties for possession of up to 3.5 ounces of marijuana and the not-for-profit transfer of 1 ounce.

Congressman Frank’s legislation seeks to bring federal law in line with reality. 99% of all marijuana arrests occur at the state and local level. In practice, federal laws prohibiting marijuana possession act as a deterrent to states that may want a more sensible policy. Congressman Frank’s bill would remove that deterrent and push U.S. marijuana policy in the right direction.

The bill’s introduction comes amidst unprecedented momentum for reform, but it will still face significant opposition in Congress — so please visit mpp.org/federal-action and take action today!

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https://secure2.convio.net/mpp/site/...rAction&id=346

So it will still be illegal on the state level, just not the federal level?

marijuana is a dangerous drug...It's illegal for a reason.

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

marijuana is a dangerous drug...It's illegal for a reason.

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What reason would that be? :P

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

What reason would that be? :P

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Because he's a troll. Just saying, http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=79560

Well this pretty much is just lip service/trying to get positive attention in a crisis, instead of really allowing true medical/drug freedom. If 99% of all marijuana cases are at the state and local levels, then why even bother? Sure i would only support this bill for the one reason that it would take restrictions off at the federal level, but please people do not praise barney frank for being the drug hero for this.

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

marijuana is a dangerous drug...It's illegal for a reason.

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I have a challenge for you. Research whatever you want to research and come back to me with the answer to the following question. In the history of the world, how many people have died from marijuana overdose?

I know marijuana has some bad effects, but how exactly is it "dangerous", according to you? Do you similarly think alcohol and tobacco should be illegal? Look up the death statistics on those. Look up the violence statistics on alcohol. Look up the drunk driving death statistics. Are you ready for alcohol to be banned again?

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Originally Posted by Hercuflea

Well this pretty much is just lip service/trying to get positive attention in a crisis, instead of really allowing true medical/drug freedom. If 99% of all marijuana cases are at the state and local levels, then why even bother? Sure i would only support this bill for the one reason that it would take restrictions off at the federal level, but please people do not praise barney frank for being the drug hero for this.

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It gets the ball rolling. States will be more likely to legalize marijuana if their bills are not pressured and overridden by federal laws.

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

marijuana is a dangerous drug...It's illegal for a reason.

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People like you piss me off cause you have no clue what your talking about.

It's more safe then alcohol and cigarettes yet there legal.

Please take the time to research before you make stupid comments, thanks.

Evidence, reason, and logic are no substitute for good old fashioned propaganda!

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

marijuana is a dangerous drug...It's illegal for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Xyn

People like you piss me off cause you have no clue what your talking about.

It's more safe then alcohol and cigarettes yet there legal.

Please take the time to research before you make stupid comments, thanks.

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I think that this was supposed to be a shot at sarcasm, but it didn't come across so well. :huh:

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

marijuana is a dangerous drug...It's illegal for a reason.

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It's less dangerous than most legal drugs if you ask me. If I drank alcohol every day for 2 years I'd be in a much worse state than I am in now. I'd also have less money. But you must be joking.

That being said, honestly, it's better to just stay off all drugs. Even caffeine, sugar and chocolate. I do my best to avoid them, sugar is pretty much impossible, caffeine and chocolate are fairly easy to avoid though.

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Originally Posted by Odd_Nonposter

I think that this was supposed to be a shot at sarcasm, but it didn't come across so well. :huh:

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Lol, might have been. But still alot of people believe that and they don't know what there talking about.

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Originally Posted by Hercuflea

Well this pretty much is just lip service/trying to get positive attention in a crisis, instead of really allowing true medical/drug freedom. If 99% of all marijuana cases are at the state and local levels, then why even bother?

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Because then states are free to legalize/decriminalize without the feds fucking with their citizens as has been the case in california. "All good things in all good time."

The DEA are a federal agency right? What will this do with their involvement in marijuana related crimes?

My take is that from what we know, it would be minimal. They wouldn't mess around with three pounds let alone three oz. If I'm not mistaken though, obama instructed all federal agencies to make herb their lowest priority.

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If I drank alcohol every day for 2 years I'd be in a much worse state than I am in now.

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That depends on how much you drink, your body type, and any pre-existings conditions you may have.

One drink a day has been shown to be beneficial for the human body when it has fully developed.
Source: Health Class
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I also learned in that class that Marajuana takes over 400 hits to be physically addictive, and that it is the most mild of illegal drugs (possibly the legal ones too, I cannot remember).

And this is Barney Frank? I only remember this guy From this video. Not the best thing to be remembered by.

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Originally Posted by The Invisible Man

I also learned in that class that Marajuana takes over 400 hits to be physically addictive, and that it is the most mild of illegal drugs (possibly the legal ones too, I cannot remember).

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That's why i always stop at 399 hits. dont want to be addicted!!!!

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Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

My take is that from what we know, it would be minimal. They wouldn't mess around with three pounds let alone three oz. If I'm not mistaken though, obama instructed all federal agencies to make herb their lowest priority.

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They don't listen, they will continue to "crack" down on pot... until their funding is cut.

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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

marijuana is a dangerous drug...It's illegal for a reason.

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Its dangerous because its illegal, its not illegal because its dangerous.

Word. Legization would remove most drug dealers off the streets, therefor lowering the chances for a kid to get his hands on it.
It will also remove the chance of laced marijuana.
The states would tax billions off it.
The paper industry would save billions too by using hemp for paper.
Courts wouldnt have to waste their damn time for a dude holdin a nick in his shoe.
Marijuana smuggling and drug terrorism will stop.

I can keep going.

It's too bad lying obama did not decrim like he the candidate obama promised...

Thats what candidates do.
Tell you alllll these wonderful new changes they will make just for votes and they never act on it.

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Because he's a troll.

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See, this is correct and was identified almost immediately. But still, nearly every post after that feeds the troll anyway.

<3 poj
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Interesting and relevant piece of information on BBC news last night: Portugal decriminalised all drugs some time ago, and there has now been a large reduction in consumption and death (from overdose and HIV).

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...riminalization

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Originally Posted by Xei

Interesting and relevant piece of information on BBC news last night: Portugal decriminalised all drugs some time ago, and there has now been a large reduction in consumption and death (from overdose and HIV).

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...riminalization

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Yep. Exactly. Amen.

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, as long as there are restrictions on it. All mind-altering substances are dangerous. Just like alcohol I think there should be a legal age for marijuana, 21. And of course, illegal while driving :P

This thread is making me want some pot brownies. Got the brownie mix, the pot, the oil, but no eggs :(

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

All mind-altering substances are dangerous.

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The is not true. Study more.

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Originally Posted by InvisibleMan

The is not true. Study more.

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He's true in the same sense that water is dangerous.

Hmm, I think this would be a good thing. Sure, marijauna is harmful. It seems there are some potentially serious health effects in hardcore users over time (and I mean HARDCORE). Of course, it's still much less harmful health-wise than cigarettes and less dangerous psychologically than alchohol.

The benefits would be exponential. It's use could be somewhat moderated and controlled. It would take a large burden off of our legal system as well. Plus, taxes from it could be a considerable source of government revenue. There would be a lot of good from this. Now, if only they would do this with ALL drugs, then there would be the added bonus that most organized crime groups would get a huge drop in profits. The underground economy would take a huge hit. There would likely be a big dip in organized crime for a while.

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He's true in the same sense that water is dangerous.

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I suppose somebody could always throw pills at you really hard when you're standing on a cliff. Or something.

Lol.

If alchohol is legal, marijuana should be.

People talk negitivly about weed when millions of people drink and die from drunk driving or liver poisoning.

Not a single person has die from marijuana.

They say it can cause car accidents when 85&#37; or the time, the person was ALSO intoxicated from drinking.

"If the words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
- Terence McKenna

Barney Frank or no, a glimmer of hope on this topic is a godsend. The idea that this is even MENTIONED let alone PROPOSED in the house and senate is a sign of the times I think.

Prohibition I was driven out during a depression, and it's very possible that Prohibition II will be also. And at that point, I'll be too high to care, and growing my own bud, so no worries chums.

i would love for it to be legalized but realistically idt it would ever last. the govt lets us drink because when we're drunk we just act retarded, maybe fu(k a fat chick or two, being highs a different ball park, i think a lot of people would begin to question their own opinions, traditions, values, that would eventually lead to questioning of the govt, possibly a revolution. snowball argument, yea but they base all their decisions on those kind of arguments

Yep, I agree.

That's why I think >overall< the demonization of marijuana was ramped up so much along with the other psychoactives. All the hippies prancing around the streets, preaching about free love and justice. Unamerican.

Doesn't make you question your reality as much as the other psychedelics, but it does to at least some extent, where everything else that is kosher in the society is geared toward subservience, yes. Marijuana legalization may be the least of our worries in the years ahead.

I'm looking at you, 10 plus trillion dollar national debt.

Both of the above replies are pretty ignorant of political reality, present and historical. It has nothing to do with subservience or questioning reaility. If you want serious spirituality, try sober meditation. If the majority of the people were stoned all day long, it would be a god-send for the powers that be if you you overlook the fact that the economy would probably collapse. It wasn't weed that moved the hippies in the sixties: it was the threat of having their asses dragged to vietnam.

It is pretty well documented that weed was made illegal because it was going to cost a bunch of rich people that were invested in cotton for fabric and wood for paper a lot of money. William Randolph Hearst used his newspapers and media influence to whip up a bunch of race based fear and the law (marihuna tax act of 1937) passed without a hitch. The legal status of ganj was a casualty of the war on hemp.

Even if weed was some 'spiritual' plant (which it may well be for people that approach it with the right attitude), the people that make the laws are not thinking of it in that regard.

No need to exclude cultural and psychological elements to a taboo in a society, they're just as necessary to forming an idea why it is taboo.

I know the historical basis. The southern states wanting to find a reason antagonize the local hispanic population into submission/emigration = why the name was changed from HEMP to MARIHUANA. Made it sound evil, strange, and foreign.

But we also know that for the most part its usage went relatively unnoticed until it became associated with counter-culture ideology. I say relatively in that there may have been arrests, but nothing compared to anything post '71.

Off in another direction, the psychedelics have everything to do with questioning reality to those who have not encountered psychedelics. Different drugs, and patterns of behaviors, which effect natural drugs in the body and the brain, induce different kinds of consciousness. Meditation releases endorphins, serotonin, and allegedly at low enough brain wave patterns dimethyltriptamine, a psychedelic.

So, the worst thing that happened was to have LSD associated with marijuana, the CIA had full knowledge of it's ability to reform a consciousness under the right conditions, a dose of something, that under the right conditions, can push the mind into a meditative/altered state that would otherwise take years to develop adequately.

Politics, economics, psychology, culture, are not split into neat little categories separated from each other. They are all equally connected and valid arguments. Including the spiritual argument.

Also, the stereotype that being stoned "all day" (a ridiculous abuse of a powerful drug that should be treated with reverence) will cause you overlook your reality as a generalization couldn't be more false. There are different strains and varieties, and different kinds of effects on different users. Myself, if smoking a good Sativa strain, will find myself exercising, writing, reading, drawing, and generally myself more than what I do when I don't have it: surf the internet for hours on end for no seeming point or purpose other than to relieve boredom.

Legalization would do a whole lot of people, including me, a lot of good, "spiritually".

The people who make the laws die like everyone else, and perspectives die with them. There's always hope. You're a downer.

I was saying that the laws have nothing to do with spirituality because the people that write them don't acknowledge that it has any spritual purpose. I did acknowledge that it could, for a minority of the people that smoke.

You can quite easy seperate spirituallity from laws: they don't intersect. Furthermore, claiming that weed is taboo pretty much goes right past what a taboo is. The culture isn't down on weed, just the government. That's why it will be legalized.

as far as my "ridiculous generalization" goes, you're right about different strains. Anything that is commercially produced is an indica because sativas, being equitorial, don't respond as well to being forced to bloom by controlling their light cycles and are less dense as well. Most people smoke indicas. Also, I wasn't saying that people would be stoned all day, just that it would do the billionares good.

That was quick. It's a shame that most people smoke Indicas, probably where the stereotype comes from: Indicas make me lazy and depressive. I don't understand why people even smoke indicas recreationally... :roll:

Yeah, you're right on that point, and the irony is how closely they worship alcohol as compared to their religious texts. :bowdown: :drink: :pope:

Depends on who the billionaires are I guess... Imagine building an growing empire post-legalization, der shrug. A lot of billionaires (drug cartels) will be pissed.

The worst manifestation I can think of here is marijuana becoming like tobacco, and having numerous companies adding toxic chemicals to create physically addictive qualities, while not allowing personal growth of plants.

I think you need a license for growing tobacco...

I don't think you can get a population much more sheepish than they are now, myself included, MJ or not.

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Depends on who the billionaires are I guess... Imagine building an growing empire post-legalization, der shrug. A lot of billionaires (drug cartels) will be pissed.

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You wouldn't believe how many billionaires and other people have had the time of their lives in the wake of illegal cannabis. More than just a few will be pissed off if cannabis is legalized. These are just a few that I can think of off of the top of my head:

Big Oil
King Cotton
Terrible Timber
Crappy Coal
the Illegal Drug cartels
Big Pharma (The LEGAL drug cartels)
The alcohol industry (since there will be an alternative to getting yourself messed up)
Prison builders (The Netherlands and Portugal are actually closing prisons and renting out space to other countries, go figure.)
Monsanto, DuPont, and all of the other herbicide manufacturers
The Partnership for a Drug Free America
The DEA

But who would it benefit?

"Hippies"
"Stoners"
People who don't like being raped by Big Pharma
(^those 3 comprise 40% of the population, by the way)
Farmers
and a couple of state and federal budgets. But who cares about them? Borrow more from china.....

That list of people doesn't have the entire government in their pockets. The other one does.

Damn.

You crush my dreams.

i dont smoke pot but i dont think its the GOV place to tell us what we can consume...legalize all drugs and crime rates will go down and so will drug use...when you fight wars against something it grows. look at terrorism. but whatever man

Hell no it shouldn't be legalized! lol Then I wouldn't need my expensive and favorite tree signs which deter weed-seeking trespassers.

http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/...y=#slideanchor

(Not my photo but looks extremely similar to where I reside.)

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, as long as there are restrictions on it. All mind-altering substances are dangerous. Just like alcohol I think there should be a legal age for marijuana, 21. And of course, illegal while driving :P

This thread is making me want some pot brownies. Got the brownie mix, the pot, the oil, but no eggs :(

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I think it should be 18. Why can we be drafted at 18 but we can't drink alcohol 'til 21?

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Originally Posted by Xei

I suppose somebody could always throw pills at you really hard when you're standing on a cliff. Or something.

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Hmm....... If you drink too much water you can die :)