Revolution can only be achieved by love!

So we're in the process of being formed into the New World Order currently, if you didn't know. The approaching consciousness shift I believe has to do with us realizing how pathetic our current way of life actually is. Think about it people, things like money, celebrities, porn, video games, T.V, everything is one big distraction from keeping us from realizing the truth. Now I'm sort of a hypocrite because I endulge in those material things as much as the next person because it's impossible to live in this world the way it is without some of them. We need to love everyone and everything as if it were ourselves! If people start going out and protesting or blowing up buildings in the name of the people, they're going to use that against us. There has been a plan to bring martial law into the U.S for some time now and us rioting and doing things like that would just justify it. None of this has happened but we are on the brink. Love endlessly, live for the moment, turn off your T.V and quit money grubbing and help the world move toward a higher, more enlightened consciouness!

It's terribly ironic posting this on an internet forum.

Yes, I have nothing useful to say.

This far revolutions have only needed passion, idealism and arms.

Your right Lucidity. Check out my signature.

I think when most people hear the word love, they are thinking about the sexual, relationship, let's go pick flowers and pet cute animals type love. But I think the real meaning behind that word is just being happy. That's love...as hippy as it sounds lol

The universe reflects how you feel about it, or rather your state of mind. Refer to the holographic universe by Michael Talbot. The entirety of the whole exists in one part. Every cell in your body contains the entire universe supposedly.

http://7uncle.files.wordpress.com/20...l-universe.jpg

Focusing on the new world order, you will have thoughts about it, in turn making it manifest. That's focusing on fear. Waiting for destruction and chaos is being a slave to time..focusing on FEAR! Live in the moment and it may not even happen.

I think that the ultimate truth really is that there is but one of us here and there are only two choices you can make...fear or love. Everything else stems from those two choices. I think it was scientifically proved that fear/love affect DNA.

man when people start saying things like this it really discredits the revolution.

"Global consciousness shift" my ass

Sure the New World Order exists but why bring in all the new age bullcrap

Because it's the only way to defeat a NWO. You need to learn from history, this has happened too many times. Learn from the past.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Every cell in your body contains the entire universe supposedly.

http://7uncle.files.wordpress.com/20...l-universe.jpg

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>implying that if something looks like something else, they must be the same.

:gun::dunce:

No actually there is scientific research implying thatthe universe is a hologram

Research Michael Talbot. Of course, none of this would become mainstream.

No actually there isn't because it's completely untestable.

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Every cell in your body contains the entire universe supposedly.

http://7uncle.files.wordpress.com/20...l-universe.jpg

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http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/3...5da2041bf6.jpg

http://yle.fi/ecepic/archive/00115/k...ka_115234b.jpg

See, they look the same! Everyone with a matchbox has to be a potential robber with guns and all!

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Originally Posted by Lucidity444

The approaching consciousness shift I believe has to do with us realizing how pathetic our current way of life actually is.

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Why is your way of life pathetic? Do this:

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Love endlessly, live for the moment, turn off your T.V and quit money grubbing and help the world move toward a higher, more enlightened consciouness!

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Be the change you want to see in the world, as a wise man said.

Yes, I agree with you, love is the only important thing; love in its purest, highest meaning.

:peace:

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http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/3...5da2041bf6.jpg

http://yle.fi/ecepic/archive/00115/k...ka_115234b.jpg

See, they look the same! Everyone with a matchbox has to be a potential robber with guns and all!

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Both kill.

Pwnt.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Because it's the only way to defeat a NWO. You need to learn from history, this has happened too many times. Learn from the past.

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We can't join into the galactic federation of alien civilizations until we unify as a
species under a one-world rule. I don't know about you, but I'm ready for
antigravity and nano-assembly plants.

People need to be scared into this one-world rule because of their limited
minds. After we are accepted into the galactic federation, we will have
access to super-splicers that will offer us genetic restructuring capabilities the
likes of which would, at the very least, remove said limits of the mind.

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Originally Posted by Lucidity444

So we're in the process of being formed into the New World Order currently, if you didn't know. The approaching consciousness shift I believe has to do with us realizing how pathetic our current way of life actually is. Think about it people, things like money, celebrities, porn, video games, T.V, everything is one big distraction from keeping us from realizing the truth. Now I'm sort of a hypocrite because I endulge in those material things as much as the next person because it's impossible to live in this world the way it is without some of them. We need to love everyone and everything as if it were ourselves! If people start going out and protesting or blowing up buildings in the name of the people, they're going to use that against us. There has been a plan to bring martial law into the U.S for some time now and us rioting and doing things like that would just justify it. None of this has happened but we are on the brink. Love endlessly, live for the moment, turn off your T.V and quit money grubbing and help the world move toward a higher, more enlightened consciouness!

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Wonderful, another "revolutionary" who isn't sure what he's revolting against or for. What you've just said is a bunch of words that mean nothing. This is going to be achieved how? And more importantly this is going to achieve what? From the money grabbing sentence I take it your an anti capitalist? You want to defeat global capitalism with love? Good thinking Jesus, why didn't we think of that?
Basically no. This is not constructive, it is not relevant and in reality it says absolutely nothing. Your New Age love everybody crap will not save this world from the cesspit it is in.

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Originally Posted by Invader

We can't join into the galactic federation of alien civilizations until we unify as a
species under a one-world rule.

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Is this a satirical? What is the galactic federation of alien civilization...

Actually, I think I did read something of this before, and had something to do with Pladiens from another star system or something.

I don't know, anything is possible really. You know that crop circles are made using sacred geometry?. I was practicing music theory earlier, and I came across something: There was only one crop circle discovered that communicated in letters.

They were ancient Masonic Letters carved into the side of the hill, came soon after local people wrote "talk to us", in large letters nearby. The Crop Circle response in ancient Latin, translated to "We will not come in Deceit". Or I think it might have been "We will not come in discord".

I discovered something else: on a piano, if you play ONLY the black keys, no matter what melody you play or what notes you hit.. it will ALWAYS be harmonic. There's not a single wrong note that you can hit that will make it sound "off". There are 5 black keys each octave. I think sacred geometry in music is called perfect fifth, or circle of fifth and was considered sacred in ancient civilizations or cultures.

The fifth interval in music theory is 3:2.......which amazingly is the golden ratio or Phi. The golden ratio is found all through nature, from the universe down to the subatomic particle..even the human body has a ratio of 3:2.

The black keys on a piano are perfect.

Sorry if this sounds new-agey but it's true.

No the chancs are it is not true. Since returning to this forum about two weeks ago, the amount of bullshit i've seen you chat, claiming it to be scientifically proven is incredible. Yoiu can't just say things and say, its true. Sources? Evidence? Proof? If not make a thread talking about chakras and stay in it.

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Is this a satirical? What is the galactic federation of alien civilization...

Actually, I think I did read something of this before, and had something to do with Pladiens from another star system or something.

I don't know, anything is possible really. You know that crop circles are made using sacred geometry?. I was practicing music theory earlier, and I came across something: There was only one crop circle discovered that communicated in letters.

They were ancient Masonic Letters carved into the side of the hill, came soon after local people wrote "talk to us", in large letters nearby. The Crop Circle response in ancient Latin, translated to "We will not come in Deceit". Or I think it might have been "We will not come in discord".

I discovered something else: on a piano, if you play ONLY the black keys, no matter what melody you play or what notes you hit.. it will ALWAYS be harmonic. There's not a single wrong note that you can hit that will make it sound "off". There are 5 black keys each octave. I think sacred geometry in music is called perfect fifth, or circle of fifth and was considered sacred in ancient civilizations or cultures.

The fifth interval in music theory is 3:2.......which amazingly is the golden ratio or Phi. The golden ratio is found all through nature, from the universe down to the subatomic particle..even the human body has a ratio of 3:2.

The black keys on a piano are perfect.

Sorry if this sounds new-agey but it's true.

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you feel that strongly about the subject huh LOL

posting scientific evidence to metaphysical claims on this site is counterproductive

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Both kill.

Pwnt.

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Wonderful, another "revolutionary" who isn't sure what he's revolting against or for. What you've just said is a bunch of words that mean nothing. This is going to be achieved how? And more importantly this is going to achieve what? From the money grabbing sentence I take it your an anti capitalist? You want to defeat global capitalism with love? Good thinking Jesus, why didn't we think of that?
Basically no. This is not constructive, it is not relevant and in reality it says absolutely nothing. Your New Age love everybody crap will not save this world from the cesspit it is in.

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1.I am revolting agaisnt a socialist one world government run by secret societies.
2. It will be achieved by people stopping killing each other and doing absolutley terrible things for personal gain.
3. I'm anti monatary system all together, which I suppose makes me an anti capitalist among other things.
4. Maybe I am JESUS

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4. Maybe I am JESUS

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Then you shall share his fate if you go yelling too much for too many different parties ^^

I think to an extent, everyone here is right. Lucid is right. There needs to be clarity. The need to mindlessly riot will only dump fuel on the fire.

That said, Lucid, I also think that when dealing with something as large scale as the NWO, you need to be prepared. You're right. Rioting and shit will only make matter worse. But please don't think that you can sit around and do nothing. Part of the concept of the supposed "law of attraction" is that it's not magic. It's not going to happen on it's own. Even the cultist creators of "The Secret" say that it requires ACTION on your part.

First of all, they are trying to take your guns. Look at Illinois right now. The Government is trying to impose a policy that through a series of loopholes, will make it relatively impossible to leagally own a gun unless you are incredibly wealthy. Don't let that happen wherever you live.

Gun control is just one step closer to gun confiscation. This was also done in Nazi Germany. So while I agree with you that remaining positive and loving is a key compontent to a revolution, you also need to know where you stand, and be ready to defend that.

Revolution doens't always mean "cool lets kill everyone whose not on our side." In this situation, the revolution will be in defense to the nutjob elites who are trying to take over everything. Take action, get informed, and stop it before it gets any worse.

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1.I am revolting agaisnt a socialist one world government run by secret societies.
2. It will be achieved by people stopping killing each other and doing absolutley terrible things for personal gain.
3. I'm anti monatary system all together, which I suppose makes me an anti capitalist among other things.
4. Maybe I am JESUS

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1. You will need this:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cX17M9CaSA...foil%2Bhat.jpgmore than love.

2. 1 word. Darwinism. Survival of the fittest (or most cunning!)

3. I suppose we should go back to trading furs for guns and sheep for wives?

4. No.

I agree that love is needed for a revolution, but we are in a society that is running on a dilapidated and broken system and they are trying to make that exact system stronger.

The truth is money talks and thats why we have such corruption in politics and our governments. To have a revolution you have to take strong, initiative action along with respect, but only as much respect that is due to the other party involved.

I'm all for the cause you are trying to accomplish. Ive sat many hours thinking about the worlds situation and it would take a massive movement to accomplish anything. If only a non-monetary/anti-war/peaceful anarchy system would work, but truthfully it will never be accomplished unless a catacalysmic event happened and wiped out most of the global population and brought us back to primative or low quality living.

In the end greed will overcome sadly.

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2. 1 word. Darwinism. Survival of the fittest (or most cunning!)

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If you apply Darwinism on a political scale, or what is called Social Darwinism,
you are going down a very bad road. The implications in biology or natural selection
are a lot different when applied to human society. This is not an argument!

If you are for a socialist dicatorship or a fascist regime, a laissez-faire dictatorship
of the market or a socialist state, you surely must not value neither freedom nor the
individual much.

What happend in Germany with National Socialism was legitimized through Social Darwinism.
And not to have this confused, Darwin was not at all promoting this kind of politial agenda.

"Achieved by love." What does that mean? Love who? If this does happen, I'd like to see the look on your face when your pot-smoke-aired sit-ins decorated with hearts and smiley faces are dispersed by tear gas and fully armed entry units.

If someone attempts to take away your rights and dissolve your government with the intentions of creating a totalitarian world state without your consent, you don't love them. You shoot them. In the face.

What I think is often meant with this love at this state is that the 'system'
or 'establishment' needs love, empathy or at least an understanding beyond
the own individual at its basis to in the end function without just the abuse
of others, destruction of other cultures and raping of the planet.

This needs to be a basis for any 'big-scale system' to work, IF you indeed want
to get something good out of it in the end. So if you start a revolution with
hatred towards others, albeit the enemy, in the end you will just achieve that.
And this shows in history in my opinion, when so often the liberators become
even worse opressors than the dictator they replaced.

Edit: Oh, and in addition - the idea to conquer a military force beyond imagination,
or even protecting your rights against the same, with waving your pistol at them is
equally redicolous. Not accepting the same as an authority means to not act on or
towards them.

No what we mean by love is anything other than fear or worry..or stress over the NWO, because your only attracting more of it. That's why mainstream news is dangerous.

You attract what you focus on. You focus on what you do want, and love, happiness, laughter and fun than you effect the unified field of consciousness. Your thoughts and expectations reach other people and so and so on. They've been planning this for thousands of years, and now the answer is clear what to do to beat them..it's simple really..don't worry about it! Live in the moment, be happy, enjoy life. It's really that simple. Stressing about a NWO is being a slave to time. Like someone had in their signature which I thought was great, if you want to piss off big brother just be satisfied at every moment.

We can use our full capacities for creative movement toward a conscious future. And it all starts with you. Ever heard of the phrase be the change you want to see in the world.

How does someone effect the unified field of consciousness? What evidence do you have that even suggests this exists?
They've been planning this for thousands of years? I understand taking the mainstream news we get fed with a pinch of salt as its evident those in power have an agenda, but where do you get your sources from that speak of and detail this plan that is thousands of years in the making? Surely everything your saying with such confidence, is merely conjecture?

...HardWired,...
You certainly seem free of the notions of the NWO. ;-)

And you can't possibly speak for all. It's not the Internet Community,
who came up with "love and politics". And there is a difference between
love and non-acknowledgement, also. All of this stuff is not 'news'.

When you're done with your 'populist scare tactics', then we can
get to the part of the change that you so want to see in everybody.
I don't see you creating posts about expressionalist art or anything
alike, positive and creative. Really, take some time and ponder
something that can't be found in a film about esoterics or conspiracy.
I enjoy that stuff as well, but c'mon, lighten up a bit.

Take with grain of salt, I'm not attacking, just doing some critical analysis.
You are, of course, free to do what you want and I am not judging ;)

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How does someone effect the unified field of consciousness? What evidence do you have that even suggests this exists?

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John Hagelin speaks about his theory:

He's clearly got a good knowledge of physics, but his speculation is mostly nonsense.

He uses phrases like 'levels of intelligence' to describe the grand unified field but never defines them. To me it's just empty words.

The evidence is that intelligence arises from the physical embodiment of discrete mathematical systems; the neural networks that are our brains. The fact that our neurons are in fact relatively macroscopic and not related to the unified field is in fact a very big philosophical problem, but no, the answer does not lie in a 'unification of consciousness', because consciousness is discrete. That's why it's so brilliant; there exists an 'I' that experiences, and which is distinct from everything else.

The superstring, or unified field he speaks of in the first video is the universal mind. It's the stuff that binds everything, some call it love, some call it source energy, reiki, life force, consciousness, chinese call it Qi/Chi, etc. This is where intuition, inspiration and new ideas comes from. The universal mind is a state of pure awareness and no thoughts. You can also think of it as a "hive-mind" for everything that has ever existed, currently exists or will ever will exist. You can reach this state with deep meditation ( which is very hard to do), through NDE's, and certain psychedelic drugs. This isn't new, this has been known in the eastern world for so long.

If you believe in something, i.e. organized religion, YOU give it power to exist !! Its true that what we see we perceive to be true, but if WE STOP believing in say what the government has told us via martial law, new world order it will cease to exist. We will then take back our power.

People are only interested in what's right IN FRONT of them, when actually ALL that matter is how you feel INSIDE yourself.. That's the place where the greatest, biggest and most powerful powers is found. In BELIEVING. Just look into the "Placebo Effect", this is scientifically acceptable. Beliefs do things.

The New World Order will not succeed, unless you believe it will or you fear it.

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He's clearly got a good knowledge of physics, but his speculation is mostly nonsense.

He uses phrases like 'levels of intelligence' to describe the grand unified field but never defines them. To me it's just empty words.

The evidence is that intelligence arises from the physical embodiment of discrete mathematical systems; the neural networks that are our brains. The fact that our neurons are in fact relatively macroscopic and not related to the unified field is in fact a very big philosophical problem, but no, the answer does not lie in a 'unification of consciousness', because consciousness is discrete. That's why it's so brilliant; there exists an 'I' that experiences, and which is distinct from everything else.

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I don't know. Out of the quantum physicists I heard, I thought there were
a bunch of them with better points, but not a single one could manage to
actually describe it, without being philosophical. (Or very technical)

Even though they are going into a similar direction.

Also I have read some stuff that stated that consciousness is only partly
located in the brain, but also in the rest of the body. Hm, I'm still reading.
At the least, there still is scientific controversy on that part.

If someone cares: John Hagelin together with David Lynch (:D) founded
the first 'University of Peace' a little while ago, with a focus on going within.
So they, amongst other things of course, like an education as far as I know,
they do practice, teach and focus on various meditation techniques.

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Originally Posted by Lucidity444

So we're in the process of being formed into the New World Order currently, if you didn't know. The approaching consciousness shift I believe has to do with us realizing how pathetic our current way of life actually is. Think about it people, things like money, celebrities, porn, video games, T.V, everything is one big distraction from keeping us from realizing the truth. Now I'm sort of a hypocrite because I endulge in those material things as much as the next person because it's impossible to live in this world the way it is without some of them. We need to love everyone and everything as if it were ourselves! If people start going out and protesting or blowing up buildings in the name of the people, they're going to use that against us. There has been a plan to bring martial law into the U.S for some time now and us rioting and doing things like that would just justify it. None of this has happened but we are on the brink. Love endlessly, live for the moment, turn off your T.V and quit money grubbing and help the world move toward a higher, more enlightened consciouness!

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I love your philosophy. Your paragraph has pretty much summed up everything I ever wanted to tell society. Well, not everything, but the key principles. But do not feel guilty about indulging in worldly things in moderation because these are some of the only things that make life actually worth living. They should be appreciated as delicate gifts, not as iron advisaries.

Ps. I have no idea who you are, but I love you!

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This is obviously NWO propaganda.

I'm not saying stick a flower in the barrel of a soldiers gun, as some of you seem to think that that's what I'm trying to say. Love is an energy that has many names such as chi or reiki like stated previously. It is the force that sustains the universe and brings about spiritual evolution. If you have ever heard of Alex Collier or Billy Meier and listened in depth to what the pleadieans or andromedans have told them, this is what I would like for the world, though who knows what will happen.

I also agree with you on not buying into the fear and anger the NWO tries to constantly enstill in us. That being said, I also believe that there must be some turning point, they won't simply stop trying if we ignore them.

Who knows what's in store for the planet earth in the next few decades, all I'm trying to say is don't react the way the want & expect you to.

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"Achieved by love." What does that mean? Love who? If this does happen, I'd like to see the look on your face when your pot-smoke-aired sit-ins decorated with hearts and smiley faces are dispersed by tear gas and fully armed entry units.

If someone attempts to take away your rights and dissolve your government with the intentions of creating a totalitarian world state without your consent, you don't love them. You shoot them. In the face.

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if you believe you must murder to win back your rights then they have already won

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"Achieved by love." What does that mean? Love who? If this does happen, I'd like to see the look on your face when your pot-smoke-aired sit-ins decorated with hearts and smiley faces are dispersed by tear gas and fully armed entry units.

If someone attempts to take away your rights and dissolve your government with the intentions of creating a totalitarian world state without your consent, you don't love them. You shoot them. In the face.

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mmm, didn't you learn anything from MLK?

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That's why it's so brilliant; there exists an 'I' that experiences, and which is distinct from everything else.

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That's partially true, Xei, and as usual, you present excellent points. That said, there are exceptions to that theory. Take an angry mob for example. It is comprised of ordinary individuals- many or most of which who would never do anything on their own to harm anyone. And yet, when they all come together, as a whole, they do things. Terrible things. Burn buildings, start riots, beat down and attack police (while they are able) etc.

That alone obviously doesn't prove the idea of a collective conscious on the level that most people refer to it, but it does disprove that each individual is not necessarily distinct and isolated on a mental subconscious level from anyone. Take also for example the rapport-building technique of mirroring. It's something that the person being affected by won't notice. But they will begin to move with you. They may even start a conversation. This is not a coincidence. I'm not claiming it to be anything mystical- I know for a fact that it is pure science, based on subconscious triggers that cause people to react- which is my point.

Anyway, just my opinion.

Also, like I said before, there must be a balance. I think with people as purely evil as the nutjob elites running the NWO, love in any amount will not sway them.

AWARENESS!

Awareness will stop them. In my opinion, one of the biggest reasons the Nazi movement in Germany to kill all those jews worked, is that almost no one (or at least a completely tiny minority) knew what was really happening.

Well same deal in America right now. The fucking news. The stupid shit in the media. Reality tv. "Entertainment" which is really designed to distract your critical thinking. Dumb you down. And on a majority of Americans (previously definitely including me) it works. If everyone wakes up and realizes wtf is going on soon enough, there will be a much easier time of combating it.

The other thing is, everyone is so preoccupied with the insane things that are going on with the NWO that have already come to pass, that no one realizes the measures that are already being taken to STOP it. In may of this year, 20 states were declaring sovereignty from the federal government. Look up the interviews on youtube.

Unfortunately, gun control is the next huge huge huge issue. We must protect things like internet neutrality (if you don't know what it is LOOK IT UP RIGHT NOW), and gun control first and foremost. "Love" can come after I say.

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The superstring, or unified field he speaks of in the first video is the universal mind. It's the stuff that binds everything, some call it love, some call it source energy, reiki, life force, consciousness, chinese call it Qi/Chi, etc. This is where intuition, inspiration and new ideas comes from. The universal mind is a state of pure awareness and no thoughts. You can also think of it as a "hive-mind" for everything that has ever existed, currently exists or will ever will exist. You can reach this state with deep meditation ( which is very hard to do), through NDE's, and certain psychedelic drugs. This isn't new, this has been known in the eastern world for so long.

If you believe in something, i.e. organized religion, YOU give it power to exist !! Its true that what we see we perceive to be true, but if WE STOP believing in say what the government has told us via martial law, new world order it will cease to exist. We will then take back our power.

People are only interested in what's right IN FRONT of them, when actually ALL that matter is how you feel INSIDE yourself.. That's the place where the greatest, biggest and most powerful powers is found. In BELIEVING. Just look into the "Placebo Effect", this is scientifically acceptable. Beliefs do things.

The New World Order will not succeed, unless you believe it will or you fear it.

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You're doing it again. Preaching about your conspiracy theories and psuedo sicence. What I'm asking you is, how you are so confident that the NWO exists, how long they've been planning this and your magical way of beating a global force powerful beyond our imagination? The way I see it there are those, (the majority) that simply believe what they are told by the government and large corporations, lies, and mistruths, told to trick the populace into obedience, they keep us busy with consumerist bullshit and distract us with trivial non-issues, like politics. Then there are others, that when realising this, decide to engorss themselves in conspiracy theories, instead, you need to admitt your own ingorance, you know fuck all, just like me. You don't know whose really in charge, the "illuminati" the large corporations, the government, the NWO, aliens controlling everybody, you don't know anything. You seem to be a reader of Terence Mckenna's work so here's a little quote.
"Conspiracy theory, in my humble opinion, is a kind of epistemological cartoon about reality. Isn't it so simple to believe that things are run by the greys, and that all we have to do is trade sufficient fetal tissue to them and then we can solve our technological problems, or isn't it comforting to believe that the Jews are behind everything, or the Communist Party, or the Catholic Church, or the Masons. Well, these are epistemological cartoons, it is kindergarten in the art of amateur historiography."

Here's another one that's quite appropriate.

"What blinds us, or what makes historical progress very difficult, is our lack of awareness of our ignorance. And [I think] that beliefs should be put aside, and that a psychedelic society would abandon belief systems in favor of direct experience and this is, I think much, of the problem of the modern dilemma, is that direct experience has been discounted and in its place all kind of belief systems have been erected... If you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing in the opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has been forfeited in the act of this belief."

McKenna is awesome to quote. The second part of your first quote:

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I believe that the truth of the matter is far more terrifying, that the real truth that dare not speak itself is that no one is in control, absolutely no one. This stuff is ruled by the equations of dynamics and chaos. There may be entities seeking control, but to seek control is to take enormous aggravation upon yourself.

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At another conference he does admit that 'of course there are conspiracies,
plenty of them, it's just that none of them are succeeding'.

Even though I must add that I myself am also somewhat worried about what
is going on, globally, and frankly quite pissed off about a lot of it. I just don't
know how much is in order for a NWO and how much is just regular economics
and politics, like the way it has been done for a while, which is in my opinion
just the same outragous.

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You're doing it again. Preaching about your conspiracy theories and psuedo sicence. What I'm asking you is, how you are so confident that the NWO exists, how long they've been planning this and your magical way of beating a global force powerful beyond our imagination? The way I see it there are those, (the majority) that simply believe what they are told by the government and large corporations, lies, and mistruths, told to trick the populace into obedience, they keep us busy with consumerist bullshit and distract us with trivial non-issues, like politics. Then there are others, that when realising this, decide to engorss themselves in conspiracy theories, instead, you need to admitt your own ingorance, you know fuck all, just like me. You don't know whose really in charge, the "illuminati" the large corporations, the government, the NWO, aliens controlling everybody, you don't know anything. You seem to be a reader of Terence Mckenna's work so here's a little quote.
"Conspiracy theory, in my humble opinion, is a kind of epistemological cartoon about reality. Isn't it so simple to believe that things are run by the greys, and that all we have to do is trade sufficient fetal tissue to them and then we can solve our technological problems, or isn't it comforting to believe that the Jews are behind everything, or the Communist Party, or the Catholic Church, or the Masons. Well, these are epistemological cartoons, it is kindergarten in the art of amateur historiography."

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Evidence of a NWO huh.......*sigh* every time I do this, I'm accused of fear-mongering or something. Are you sure you don't want me to PM you this?

Also I didn't preach about anything, saying they were planning this for years does not mean I was preaching about a N.W.O. i don't even talk about the NWO, I just said something about it because that's what the topic is about. Right?


If you are truly interested in this, look up William "Bill" Cooper and his book "Behold a Pale Horse". He sites references and sources for all his claims. It's confirmed that he was also in the military too. Mind you, this guy was shot down by police officers right after 9/11. William Cooper is the one who said that there was going to be a terrorist attack on 9/11.

Spoiler for "William Cooper":

http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

That is just the tip of the iceberg. Check out his book and you'll find out a lot more. The things in the book correlate to what's going on right now. If you want, I can send you the e-book, Just P.M. me

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Spoiler for "Psuedo":

Pseudoscience? You think David Bohm, helping build the first atomic bomb, and being considered as the best quantum physicists of all time, a pseudoscientist? His work shouldn't be taken seriously? Karl H. Pribram. Look them up. You don't hear about their theories in mainstream news, research them. It's not my fault that their work is not popular because their theories are saying the same truths which mystics have been saying. But that's exactly what should happen, science and spirituality come together.

And yes, Terrence McKenna was awesome.

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The real secret of magic is that the world is made of words, and that if you know the words that the world is made of you can make of it whatever you wish.

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If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed.

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* What blinds us, or what makes historical progress very difficult, is our lack of awareness of our ignorance. And [I think] that beliefs should be put aside, and that a psychedelic society would abandon belief systems [in favor of] direct experience and this is, I think much, of the problem of the modern dilemma, is that direct experience has been discounted and in its place all kind of belief systems have been erected... If you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing in the opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has been forfeited in the act of this belief.

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fuckin genius he is lol

Some of these replies are starting to piss me off. Everyone has there own beliefs based on what they have been told and feel is true, and I respect this and I think some of you guys don't and should. I feel what I know is true and if you don't then don't go posting in a simple attempt to make someone look or feel like an idiot. When the time comes, we'll all learn the truth, no matter how right or wrong we feel we or someone else is. As far as being preachy goes, I consider contradicting someone to any level as being preachy because you are trying to force your views on them, so please, to all who feel they need to go on internet forums just to make people try and relize how stupid they are, fuck off.

I'm afraid I've got to agree with Hard_Wired.

I believe the plot for the NWO probably exists. I don't think it will succeed. I also think, in part, that's a problem. You see, these nutjobs will never accept defeat. They will continue to cause death to millions and millions of people. Orchestrated "terrorist" bullshit. I hate to say this, but the more I think about this, the more I just say kill the fuckers.

They are insane. They really believe that their little plan for world domination will work, and they will literally destroy the world before that actually happens. There is, in my opinion, no way to accomplish this. This generation, while still completely ignorant and mindfucked in many ways, is actually starting to wake up.

But these elites, or the Illuminati, or whatever you want to call them, I don't think they realize that they can't win, and to me, that's even more dangerous than the prospect of a New World Order. They will just do MORE things to fuck the world over. I'm not worried about the NWO succeeding. Worst case, we'd still all be alive (probably). I'm worried about them failing, and not understanding that they have failed.

Do you understand how MUCH shit they actually run? How many puppets in high places they actually have? It's freaky dude.

And imran_p, I understand where you're coming from. Really I do. Look up my posts from about a year ago. Hard_Wired (or maybe it was someone else) was talking about this, and I slammed it down. I bashed, and flamed and called it all bullshit.

But then I started doing research. Not biased shit. Just cold hard facts that can be found on Government websites. Read up on what the Codex trade program is. A majority of your food and water is loaded with toxins. Flouride. Toxic. It's in almost every major cities tap water.

If you know how to test for chemicals on surfaces or in liquids, you can actually verify that one yourself. Just go to your sink. Fill your glass with tap water. Test it for hexaflouridine.

Just little things like that. They all add up. I really try not to jump to conclusions, but dude, there's not a lot of other things that this could be. I try not to jump to conclusions because doing that is exactly what got us into all of these fucked up world situations. Government told us shit and we went with it.

Just keep an open mind. I am VERY open to the idea that all of these crazy conspiracies happening are unrelated and completely isolated events. However, I also keep in mind that there really could be a plot for the NWO. I think everyone should just keep an open mind, and think about all of the things that are happening. Like I said, if it's true, simple awareness of said conspiracies will destroy their chances of success.

Can't you see how easily you got trapped? This is exactly what those people who you named WANTED.

You opened this thread all John Lennon like, and that is simply not appreciated when it comes from a pseudonym with an avatar.

It didn't take you long to say "fuck you", did it? Consider this as something you can definitely learn from, and start observing your own love that you give to people, which includes every single opponent possible as well.

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Originally Posted by Lucidity444

Some of these replies are starting to piss me off. Everyone has there own beliefs based on what they have been told and feel is true, and I respect this and I think some of you guys don't and should. I feel what I know is true and if you don't then don't go posting in a simple attempt to make someone look or feel like an idiot. When the time comes, we'll all learn the truth, no matter how right or wrong we feel we or someone else is. As far as being preachy goes, I consider contradicting someone to any level as being preachy because you are trying to force your views on them, so please, to all who feel they need to go on internet forums just to make people try and relize how stupid they are, fuck off.

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Rainman, thank you, at least someone understands. I'm not trying to call anyone an idiot or anything..no one said anything like that im ran..

Cooper says that the people who orchestrate world events are a small group of people from every different race, religion , nationality, etc. that belong to the ancient Egyptian mystery schools and know the occult knowledge. Probably such things as the Law of Attraction.

Spreading info about the NWO is counterproductive I see now..that's why I don't talk about it anymore, cause the more you focus on it and fear it the more it becomes true.

Think about this: a large amount of people watching the nightly news channel, either local or national, especially local: they report a number of car accidents at a certain location, next thing you know, over the course of a month, the accidents increase, in and around that area. It's mass propaganda to make you observe or believe something consciously.

I'm pretty sure this NWO will not succeed. The only way it can succeed is if you allow it to...by focusing on it, or fearing it. Live everyday like it's your last.

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Originally Posted by Lucidity444

to all who feel they need to go on internet forums just to make people try and relize how stupid they are, fuck off.

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so much for love.

......lulz

Folks it's all just a big game. One that is fun once you lose all fear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWZlvuVt04c

Ok, HaRd_WiReD, pls go to edit > find > then type in 'fear' > find next > find next... Seriously, do that.

good point.

I'm saying still, the more fear you release, the better you feel. Fear of anything...that includes fear of social situations. Just stop fearing...of shit on on the news, the NWO, all of it. Fear is just a system of control.....

Be happy....life is meant to be enjoyed

talking about the NWO, It's like I'm spreading fear huh...

good point, good point :)

Ah, I get it now. That makes sense too. And before any law of attraction skeptics post here, let explain how the law of attraction ACTUALLY works.

First of all, I believe in a collective consciousness. For those of you who do not, I will explain the scientific and verified elements of the law of attraction that you can try yourself.

The law of attraction is a psychological phenomenon, in my opinion. If it's not, then at the very least, you can get the same exact results by using auto-hypnosis and self-suggestion while knowing how the process works. I do this constantly to get what I want, because I know how it ACTUALLY works.

The makers of the "secret" hyped it up to be some New Age magical phenomenon, when it's not. It's purely psychological. As most of you know, the subconscious level of your mind is not necessarily predominantly present in your actions, but it PROBABLY is, and is DEFINITELY the more logical, highly more intelligent, and the part of your spectrum of consciousness that has seemingly limitless potential. It can make you do things. It can almost think (and in a way, it does anyway) think completely independently of you.

Your subconscious helps you to achieve things that you appear to want, or that you give the most attention to. It alerts you to them. Something terrible might happen to you in a day, and you may sink into a really bad mood in which everything seems to make you angry. But anger is your perception, and when you choose to experience that perception (yes, that is a choice you do make- it's just a hard choice, but rest assured, it's completely optional) then your subconscious picks up on it and says, "aha! A pattern! I must want more of this." And so it creates situations for you that give you more of what you've been focusing on.

Here's the part that always gets raped with mysticism, and whether they are right or wrong, at least on a level that we can understand, THIS is how it actually works.

Your subconscious can cause you to experience "whims." It is what causes you to experience emotions. It's what causes you to experience lapses, and recoveries of memory. It's responsible for memory. Your dreams. When ever you suddenly think of something, it's because your subconscious said, "Hmm, s/he was supposed to remember something.. I better remind him/her." (Obviously that's an exaggerated example, it doesn't actually "say" those things, most likely.)

My point is, your subconscious will use memory, feelings, dreams, and other similar parts of your human experience to give you what you tell it. The problem is, most people aren't aware of what they're telling their subconscious.

The conscious mind is smart in a different sense than the subconscious mind. In our conscious minds, we're able to do things like solve math problems, or speak, or philosophize (is that a word?) Compared to the subconscious mind, the conscious mind is infinitely moronic, and impedes our development in many ways. NOT in all ways, just in many. The subconscious can serve as a way to guide the conscious mind. A lot of people mistake functions of the subconscious mind for psychic phenomena. That's why I believe most "psychics" are phonies, but they genuinely don't know they are. The abilities of the subconscious can explain everything they do.

So it will assume that you will consciously forget the things that you (perhaps) unknowingly programmed it to do. It's "coding" is very simple. You tell it to "do this" and it will "do this." There is no critical factor like there is with the conscious mind, whose response would be, "uh.. why?" The subconscious mind will almost always do what it's told. With that in mind, also understand that our subconscious can RUN us. Completely. If it is told something, it will take control and run us. That's just how it works.

So when you focus on one thing, like in Hard_Wired's concept that we're focusing on fear, in that sense, we are choosing to make that thing bigger. If I'm afraid of spiders, and I one day happen to see a documentary about spiders or something, then that's what I'd likely continue to think of on a conscious level. Consciously I'd be thinking, "oh god, I hope there are no spiders in here... i dont' want to see spiders... I don't want to think about spiders... I don't want to fear spiders anymore, because I hate everything about spiders."

By focusing on what I do not want to see, and focusing on my fear of spiders, my subconscious will hear, and act upon it differently- "I don't want to see spiders, I don't want to think about spiders, I don't want to fear spiders anymore, because I hate everything about spiders."

The phrases in bold are interpretted as commands. No that's not my opinion, it is fact. That's how it works. Those who understand hypnosis, or even a basic understanding of communications or social psychology (or even general psychology) already know this. That is why negatives get bigger. If you're afraid of something, you focus on it, and your subconscious thinks that because you're focusing on it, it must be something that you want, thus it will cause you to notice things that you otherwise may not notice.

It will cause you to react to things in ways you may not have reacted otherwise. It will do all of this to very methodically try to create situations for you in which you recieve, or notice more of what you've chosen to focus on. This may not seem very clearly explained, but I dont' want to continue to ramble. If anyone has any specific questions, feel free to ask me in PM.

My point of saying all this is that Hard_Wired is right. Focusing on them will make them bigger. If everyone else focuses on what they DON'T want, which is an NWO takeover, then each individual will be unknowingly guided by their subconscious' to not only allow, but create that reality.

So WAKE UP. :p

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Flouride. Toxic.

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Really.

I did my own looking at some anti-fluoride sites, and I remain quite unconvinced of a conspiracy. Those sites seemed to focus on the effects of consumption of or exposure to excessive amounts of flouride, substantially higher than what you would find in the water.

I also keep seeing these sites stating flouride is a deadly poison (like you're saying). Guess what, Botox is far deadlier, and millions of people use that.
Is it not said that the difference between medicine and poison is dosage?

I won't deny there were some effects on smaller groups that seemed more plausible in the quantities given (people with kidney disease, for instance, that can't process fluoride properly) but given the specificity of this it seems much more like a governmental side-effect bungle than a conspiracy to harm.

Fluoride is toxic, plain and simple, that's why it says what it says on the back of tooth paste...contact a POISON CONTROL if you swallow it

They fluoride the water because it calcifies the pineal gland( responsible for lucid dreams )...they don't want you lucid dreaming and shit. They need to poison the food and water...so you can get sick...so you can buy their drugs and pills and shots...it's simple.

Your body naturally heals itself if you are happy. Most dis-eases and illnesses start from stress in the mind. Look into the placebo effect.

Rainman, I see your in the know...but most of this stuff is too "mystical" for people...it's sad really.

Who knew that you can heal your own body, and attract what you want in life from just being happy....that's why society try's to keep people in a state of fear. Imagine if everyone knew the LOA, we could manifest any type of future we wanted. Scientists are even saying this with the Global Consciousness Project.

Hard_Wired and Rainman

You guys are totally right. No matter how much it bugs me I just need to stop focusing on all this conspiracy bullshit and work on my own spirituallity.
I've realized a few things from this post, and what luane said is true as well.

I'm going to go read the Inner Guide Meditaion by Steinbrecher, thanks for the posts, I've learned abit from them

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Fluoride in tiny quantities is a health benefit as it prevents tooth decay. That's why they put it in water and toothpaste. I don't know what toothpaste you use but mine only recommends that you contact a dentist if you consume large quantities of fluoride from another source. This is because fluoride in large quantities (10g or more) is a poison. In the same way that having a small quantity of salt in your diet is vital, but eating a bag of salt will probably destroy your kidneys.

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That's partially true, Xei, and as usual, you present excellent points. That said, there are exceptions to that theory. Take an angry mob for example. It is comprised of ordinary individuals- many or most of which who would never do anything on their own to harm anyone. And yet, when they all come together, as a whole, they do things. Terrible things. Burn buildings, start riots, beat down and attack police (while they are able) etc.

That alone obviously doesn't prove the idea of a collective conscious on the level that most people refer to it, but it does disprove that each individual is not necessarily distinct and isolated on a mental subconscious level from anyone. Take also for example the rapport-building technique of mirroring. It's something that the person being affected by won't notice. But they will begin to move with you. They may even start a conversation. This is not a coincidence. I'm not claiming it to be anything mystical- I know for a fact that it is pure science, based on subconscious triggers that cause people to react- which is my point.

Anyway, just my opinion.

Also, like I said before, there must be a balance. I think with people as purely evil as the nutjob elites running the NWO, love in any amount will not sway them.

AWARENESS!

Awareness will stop them. In my opinion, one of the biggest reasons the Nazi movement in Germany to kill all those jews worked, is that almost no one (or at least a completely tiny minority) knew what was really happening.

Well same deal in America right now. The fucking news. The stupid shit in the media. Reality tv. "Entertainment" which is really designed to distract your critical thinking. Dumb you down. And on a majority of Americans (previously definitely including me) it works. If everyone wakes up and realizes wtf is going on soon enough, there will be a much easier time of combating it.

The other thing is, everyone is so preoccupied with the insane things that are going on with the NWO that have already come to pass, that no one realizes the measures that are already being taken to STOP it. In may of this year, 20 states were declaring sovereignty from the federal government. Look up the interviews on youtube.

Unfortunately, gun control is the next huge huge huge issue. We must protect things like internet neutrality (if you don't know what it is LOOK IT UP RIGHT NOW), and gun control first and foremost. "Love" can come after I say.

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Well of course, naturally we can influence the 'contents of each others' consciousnesses' by interacting with them... I don't think that's really related to the idea of a single consciousness.

And I don't think there's any evidence to support any ulterior motives for entertainment. I think reality TV is simply made because huge numbers of people enjoy that kind of thing just because they're bored, and it makes TV companies a lot of money.

There's really a lot of evidence to the contrary actually. Just look at how easy to communicate nowadays. Entertainment companies have fully backed the development of the internet, and it is now absurdly easy to disseminate information throughout the entire world in a matter of seconds. So really, completely contrary to any conspirator's wishes. We live in quite a fantastic age for freedom of information and freedom of speech.

HaRd_WiReD, you quoted me earlier,

I was not familiar with the sharp and flat notes of our scale. O posted a video from a TED
talk (right?) that was about the pentatonic scale, and although I was fascinated by the
concept, I hadn't looked into it since. If it's true that the black keys cannot be played in an
inharmonious manner, I'd like to give that a shot. Unfortunately, my keyboard was put into a
storage unit.

I was also kidding about the galactic federation thing, but that's not to say that I've never
wishfully thought of such a scenario. Goodbye medical problems, hello space travel.


Also, since I did not intend to deviate from the subject of the post, I agree that any form of
revolt in the U.S. would likely lead to the justification of putting our internment camps to use.
Sitting back and weathering the storm, however, would only allow our dark masterminding
individuals to walk all over us. A middle ground, perhaps, would fix this. I'm thinking along
the lines of a small task force. If military action was ever to be used on the public afterwards,
there would more than likely be revolt from individuals within the military branch itself, being
that the general public would have had nothing to do with it and undeserving of any punishment.

There are degrees of harmony; it's really quite subjective. The only really horrid notes you can play together are a semitone apart or six semitones apart, and this isn't possible on pentatonic scales, so you can just mash anything together. The black keys on the piano happen to form a pentatonic scale (there's 11 others starting on different notes). There are other sets of notes where you can do the same thing, for example if you just played notes from C, E, and G.

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Originally Posted by Rainman

I'm afraid I've got to agree with Hard_Wired.

I believe the plot for the NWO probably exists. I don't think it will succeed. I also think, in part, that's a problem. You see, these nutjobs will never accept defeat. They will continue to cause death to millions and millions of people. Orchestrated "terrorist" bullshit. I hate to say this, but the more I think about this, the more I just say kill the fuckers.

They are insane. They really believe that their little plan for world domination will work, and they will literally destroy the world before that actually happens. There is, in my opinion, no way to accomplish this. This generation, while still completely ignorant and mindfucked in many ways, is actually starting to wake up.

But these elites, or the Illuminati, or whatever you want to call them, I don't think they realize that they can't win, and to me, that's even more dangerous than the prospect of a New World Order. They will just do MORE things to fuck the world over. I'm not worried about the NWO succeeding. Worst case, we'd still all be alive (probably). I'm worried about them failing, and not understanding that they have failed.

Do you understand how MUCH shit they actually run? How many puppets in high places they actually have? It's freaky dude.

And imran_p, I understand where you're coming from. Really I do. Look up my posts from about a year ago. Hard_Wired (or maybe it was someone else) was talking about this, and I slammed it down. I bashed, and flamed and called it all bullshit.

But then I started doing research. Not biased shit. Just cold hard facts that can be found on Government websites. Read up on what the Codex trade program is. A majority of your food and water is loaded with toxins. Flouride. Toxic. It's in almost every major cities tap water.

If you know how to test for chemicals on surfaces or in liquids, you can actually verify that one yourself. Just go to your sink. Fill your glass with tap water. Test it for hexaflouridine.

Just little things like that. They all add up. I really try not to jump to conclusions, but dude, there's not a lot of other things that this could be. I try not to jump to conclusions because doing that is exactly what got us into all of these fucked up world situations. Government told us shit and we went with it.

Just keep an open mind. I am VERY open to the idea that all of these crazy conspiracies happening are unrelated and completely isolated events. However, I also keep in mind that there really could be a plot for the NWO. I think everyone should just keep an open mind, and think about all of the things that are happening. Like I said, if it's true, simple awareness of said conspiracies will destroy their chances of success.

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I think you may be failing to see where I'm coming from. I do keep an open mind. Two years ago I was conspiracy theory nutjob, but after reading some of Mckenna's work, quite a lot of Chomsky's work, and experimenting with enethogens, it occured to me that in reality I don't know much at all. I'm pretty sure that the majority of what I'm told and ahve been told in my short life is a lie. The government does not want to protect us, it wan'ts to control us; the entire state of the world is fucked up. And yes there are an economic elite that have insane amounts of control, but in reality the'yre probably just puppets. Does Obama really have any power, or is he a puppet? I don't know, I only know what they tell me and they're probably lying. Whose in control, I don't know. i can trust the governments bullshit like most people; I can trust the words of some internet conspiracy theorist who claims incredible things that appear plausible, yet contain numerous "facts" that are extremely hard to validate. The way I see if it i am in complete agreement with Mckenna, in that direct experience needs to be valued much higher. We must accept our ignorance, or you'll go crazy trying to figure what the fucks going on.
Why we are being controlled in a such a manner. Why can't I smoke a plant that grows naturally in the ground, yet i can drink a drink that causes millions of deaths, rapes and all round violence? Why do I have to let them know if I enter a different "country", an irrelevant human concept. The very idea that if I smoke this plant that makes me feel relaxed, I will get taken by men with guns and locked up in a cell with murderers in mind boggling. This applies to thousands of laws. So much about this world can leave you feeling depressed, angry, and at the same time very fortunate. In the end you just have to rely on direct experience, live for the moment, because in reality you don't the truth about this big game they're playing, and you never will.
When people come out and talk with complete confidence about the NWO, what their plans are, who it consists of, what they're up to and how long they've been about, they're extremly deluded. They know nothing, its all conjecture.

The way I see it, on the timeline of the universe the lifespan of humanity as a speices will be a dot. And yes, there are a few people taking a giant shit on almost everybody else. Oh well? It's horrible, its unfortunate, but you've just got to live with it and enjoy every moment of the short time you're on this earth.

Yes Invader.

About the black keys, yes they are harmonic and a wrong note cannot be played. But what's important is that there are 5 black keys each octave and it follows the perfect fifth, which is a ratio of 3:2, which is the golden ratio or Phi.

The golden ratio is what sacred geometry is all about. Everything in nature has a ratio of 3:2. The human body has a ratio of 3:2, from the universe down to a subatomic particle. Everything follows a 3:2 ratio. This proves that the universe is not chaotic or random. Someone tried to debate whether that 3:2 pattern evolved over time to what it is now.....not likely. It was always like this, ancient cultures knew about sacred geometry and included it in their music and architecture.

You know the law of attraction is funny, because it's a lot more difficult to have positive thoughts about something rather than negative thoughts. Proof of the state of mind we are in as a collective mind.

Hahahaha.

The golden ratio isn't 3:2 anyway. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously are you just making this stuff up as you go along now..?

It's 1.61903:1 roughly...lol

Trust me, I'd love nothing more for it to be 3:2 as it would have a correlation to the #23...

:)

2 and 3 aren't really related to 23 mathematically. Only because the Arabs arbitrarily decided to use base 10 do they look similar.

i.e. 2*10 + 3*1 = 23, but you might as well have chosen 2*7 + 3*3 = 23. Or 2*9 + 3*1 =! 23.

In fact you can choose 2*m + 3*n to be absolutely any integer you like if you choose the right m and n. You can prove this with Euclid's algorithm. Proper maths tends to be a lot more interesting than vague or completely fallacious maths.

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I believe the plot for the NWO probably exists. I don't think it will succeed. I also think, in part, that's a problem. You see, these nutjobs will never accept defeat. They will continue to cause death to millions and millions of people. Orchestrated "terrorist" bullshit. I hate to say this, but the more I think about this, the more I just say kill the fuckers.

They are insane. They really believe that their little plan for world domination will work, and they will literally destroy the world before that actually happens. There is, in my opinion, no way to accomplish this. This generation, while still completely ignorant and mindfucked in many ways, is actually starting to wake up.

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True, let's not forget every person or group who has tried to acheive world domination in the past has failed miserably.

Every empire has it's end. Even if they did acheive their NWO, it wouldn't last.

I certainly hope that is the case this time around, Supernova.

Xei, flouride can slow the process of tooth decay, but it is more toxic than helpful. That is a fact. Flouride is poisonous the the human body. Want to know the best way to prevent tooth decay? Get the proper nutrients your body needs. Seriously. People who live in low-technology, isolated tribes in the mountains far from cities often are found to have perfectly healthy teeth because they eat correctly. We're not thinking on an evolutional level here. If teeth could not succeed without man-made chemicals to be strong, then we wouldn't have teeth at this point. Evolution.

Flouride in small doses is overall not harmful. However, for the past however many decades, you've been consistantly taking it in. Toxic. Modern dentistry in general is a scam, in my opinion. None of what they do would be necessary if people got the right nutrients. (I'm not trying to be condescending, Xei, I actually admire your rather informative posts, and keen perspective on everything.)

imran_p, you're right. I guess we can't truly know anything. Nor am I saying that I know that there is a plot for the NWO. I'm just saying based on all that's happening, there probably is one. The interesting thing is that no one seems to report on the shit that's being done to PREVENT it.

My point wasn't that they will succeed, my point is that they are so radical, that they will allow the world to end before they will give up their shot at control They'll never stop trying. Funny thing is, if all this Illuminati shit is true, then that means we can blame religion for another insane mass-killing and attempt at world domination. Go figure.

haha.

Xei, I haven't ignored your thoughts on entertainment industry. I don't entirely agree with you on the innocence of the entertainment industry, but I haven't organized my thoughts into a reasonable presentation for why I don't agree with you. I can't justify it yet, so I'll post later. ;)