Thread: Haiti

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Haiti is our neighbor. If one does not have the resources to save the world, one can start by helping a neighbor. The reason why the world is the way it is, is because so many see that there are problems everywhere and decide this means they should do nothing at all.

Thank you for pointing out my points.. You did a better job then I could.. Dam, I cannot type a propper sentence about people in this thread without insulting them... Cause i'm so pissed. But I think people think that we don't help anybody.. There are so many caring people out there who donate to every cause in the world.. Haiti is no different.

If you would like to donate, just read below.

Clinton Foundation
Donate online at www.clintonfoundation.org/haitirelief to help provide immediate relief and long-term support to earthquake survivors. Text "HAITI" to 20222 and $10 will be donated to relief efforts,
charged to your cell phone bill.


I donated 20, I hope some of you do the same.

Xyn, chill your violent ignorance.

Originally Posted by Xyn

BTW, I do volunteer at local nursing homes..

I donated 20

What exactly are you afraid of, that causes your frustrated repetition?

But I think people think that we don't help anybody..

Oh, figures.


Anyway, one of the televisions here in my country made some sickening video that actually looks like screen saver, with captured crying faces and even disaster movie music! Unfortunately, this will continue as long as there is a psychologically disturbing demand for this kind of twisted and not by any chance beneficial journalism.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Haiti is our neighbor. If one does not have the resources to save the world, one can start by helping a neighbor. The reason why the world is the way it is, is because so many see that there are problems everywhere and decide this means they should do nothing at all.

Did I ever tell you how much I like you? This should have been how my first post was written. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Xyn

I donated 20, I hope some of you do the same.

wow ^^^ that guy seriously looks like a chimpanzee human hybrid looking....planet of the apes type shit

Originally Posted by Jeff777

You'd be "fazed" and care if it happened to you, in your city. You damn well know you would.

Nearly 1,900 people died in Hurricane Katrina. The Indonesian tsunami in 2004 hit the 230,000+ death toll mark and the death estimates (so far) are around 200,000 for the earthquake in Haiti.

It's when we stop caring or that we are "unfazed" that we stop becoming human beings and start being apathetic morons too involved in our own emo driven "all the world is a stage, life sucks everywhere, media driven propaganda, who gives a shit etc." attitudes to remember what it feels like to feel for others in times of crisis as these.

What happened in Haiti just further proves to me that there is no God to care about us. Therefore, we have to care about each other.

Note: I'm not calling names, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

I honestly can't bring myself to care. Yes, it would in fact faze me if it was here in Sierra Vista, but it wasn't. I don't know anyone in Haiti, I have no known relatives there, I'm not there, I feel no sorrow. Maybe I have lost my humanity, but it's not like I chose what I care and don't care about. I also like what you said about there being no God. Thanks for that remark.

I love Tim Minchin, honest in a world of false images. I'm actually thinking about starting a canned food drive for them, but i will not give my money to any company.


here's the link to the page, most of the comments express my opinion.

"Just send your money.... we'll make sure it's spent wisely."
- yeah i fucking bet, just like you've done so far with money used in-country? These 3 millionaires should send their own money. 10% unemployment and they beg for our money.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I'm so going to hell for laughing at that...

Originally Posted by Mario92

I'm so going to hell for laughing at that...

Well I guess I'm going to hell, coming back to Earth, then headed straight to Hell again 'cause I've been listening to it over and over laughing the whole time. But alas, I have no soul anyways....

Originally Posted by TheLucid

Well I guess I'm going to hell, coming back to Earth, then headed straight to Hell again 'cause I've been listening to it over and over laughing the whole time. But alas, I have no soul anyways....

Was kinda funny, now I dont like you!

The United States is donating at least $150 million dollars to help Haiti, and that is the highest figure of all countries in the world. China is donating about 10 million. France is donating $0.00. Does anybody know how much Iran, Syria, Libya, and Lebanon are donating? I know we can count on Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea.

Originally Posted by TheLucid

I honestly can't bring myself to care. Yes, it would in fact faze me if it was here in Sierra Vista, but it wasn't. I don't know anyone in Haiti, I have no known relatives there, I'm not there, I feel no sorrow. Maybe I have lost my humanity, but it's not like I chose what I care and don't care about. I also like what you said about there being no God. Thanks for that remark.

I'm the same. Another day, another disaster, meh! I also liked how he used the god coment...lol since when does god come into any of this?

It's not like hurricanes and earthquakes and tragedy are anything new‼

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The United States is donating at least $150 million dollars to help Haiti, and that is the highest figure of all countries in the world. China is donating about 10 million. France is donating $0.00. Does anybody know how much Iran, Syria, Libya, and Lebanon are donating? I know we can count on Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea.

China? Donating 10 million? Hell as big as that place is.. a rich local entrepreneur in China can donate that much alone. =/

Anyway, 150 mil is a nice sized amount. I hope my 10 bucks did some good.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

China? Donating 10 million? Hell as big as that place is.. a rich local entrepreneur in China can donate that much alone. =/

Anyway, 150 mil is a nice sized amount. I hope my 10 bucks did some good.

Exactly

At least you gave. It'll help somebody that needs it.

I should be fair and mention that I just learned that France announced yesterday they will donate the equivalent of 14.3 million U.S. dollars. Also, the U.S. has only pledged 100 million but has projected 150 million over time. China has pledged the equivalent of about 6 million U.S. dollars so far but plans to give more.

People usually seem to think that doing something about a bad situation is useless if it can't make a dent in some statistic or help the overall population. If you have the opportunity to help someone at a given moment without it taking away anything truly substantial in your life, why turn away from it simply because you can't possibly solve the whole problem? Yes, there are problems all over the world, and we have our own problems to take care of; we don't all need to feel responsible to help. But what I find so appalling about people is that they actually try to put people down who have realized that it would be worthwhile for them to help even one person. You actually try to turn someone away from helping another human being who is in need. That's just sad.

Originally Posted by TheLucid

I honestly can't bring myself to care. Yes, it would in fact faze me if it was here in Sierra Vista, but it wasn't. I don't know anyone in Haiti, I have no known relatives there, I'm not there, I feel no sorrow. Maybe I have lost my humanity, but it's not like I chose what I care and don't care about. I also like what you said about there being no God. Thanks for that remark.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I'm the same. Another day, another disaster, meh! I also liked how he used the god coment...lol since when does god come into any of this?

Originally Posted by TheLucid

It's not like hurricanes and earthquakes and tragedy are anything new‼

Fuck you, shitheads. What kind of horrible fucking assholes do you think you are? 200,000 people are estimated dead, and 3 Million people were affected by the quake. That's almost a third of the population of Haiti. Here are some pictures of "just another disaster" that can maybe wake you up to how self-absorbed and snivelling you are being right now:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...urs_later.html

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...ays_later.html

You think you're gonna miss 10 dollars? What are you gonna spend it on, a fucking Green Day CD? I'm unemployed and I donated $50. It's ridiculously easy to donate: text "Haiti" to 90999 and they stick it on your phone bill. There, you've just donated $10. But no, you two will sit at home and you won't donate a dollar because you can't bring yourself to care. Even if you can't make yourself care, The Lucid, you don't even have to: just donate. You're not going to miss $10.

You two need to grow a fucking pair, and realise how terrible you are being. There's nothing worse than indifference. If this kind of thing hit where you lived, you'd be begging for the charity of others. But no, you don't care about it when it doesn't affect you.

Tragedies happen every day. You can't help the survivors of all of them. But you can easily help out in this one. There's nothing stopping you but your shitty attitude. So shut your dumb traps for a moment, feel some fucking empathy, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to evolve from the sewer-crawling, shit-eating, selfish dicks those three posts have led me to believe you are.

Just in case you think it's not easy to donate, here you fucking go:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/01/13/help-haiti

https://american.redcross.org/site/D...a&NoJSReload=1

http://www.cidi.org/incident/haiti-10a/

http://donations.ebay.com/charity/event.jsp?NP_ID=-52

http://www.dec.org.uk/donate_now/

https://donate.doctorswithoutborders...e=ADR1001E1D01

https://secure2.convio.net/dri/site/...sevc94.app245b

https://secure.oxfamamerica.org/site...rm1&df_id=3600

Have a nice fucking day. Listen to some Green Day.

Haiti's economic situation before the disaster:

Originally Posted by Jeff777

China? Donating 10 million? Hell as big as that place is.. a rich local entrepreneur in China can donate that much alone. =/

Anyway, 150 mil is a nice sized amount. I hope my 10 bucks did some good.

China is a poor country, dude.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

China is a poor country, dude.

China has the third largest economy in the world and has been the fastest growing economy for the last 30 years.

Kiza, I understand that you are upset considering this is a sensitive subject but please remember that this IS a forum with rules in place. If you want to take out your anger on someone, use words and sentences that pack more punches than swears and curse words do. That's something we learned in my debate class, to fight with our words. Let your anger spur your vernacular to new heights.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

China is a poor country, dude.

China and India are both emerging as new super powers. How is China a poor country?

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

I honestly can't bring myself to care. Yes, it would in fact faze me if it was here in Sierra Vista, but it wasn't. I don't know anyone in Haiti, I have no known relatives there, I'm not there, I feel no sorrow. Maybe I have lost my humanity, but it's not like I chose what I care and don't care about. I also like what you said about there being no God. Thanks for that remark.

Understandable. Perhaps you have lost your humanity. From a guy who previously said that he slits his wrists, I can definitely understand your lack of empathy for anyone or anything else aside from the razor. Your post also served as a magnifying glass into why apathy runs so deep within your veins.

I saw a little boy who was rescued from the rubble on T.V. the other day. Katie Couric was holding him in her arms as he was screaming. He was no older than 8. He was saying in his native tongue "Why did this happen? WHY WHY WHY!? IN GOD'S NAME WHY!?!" His father and mother and siblings were all killed.

You wakeup every morning and stare at your ceiling. I assume you are a student so you get up and out of bed, then get ready for school. You dress in apparel that fully clothes you and walk in shoes that don't hurt your feet. You come home, eat dinner and go back to that warm bed of yours. If this is true, I can relate to this. Because I do the same thing every day. One of the reasons why I do care though, is because, the warm beds you and I have.. in Haiti and other places around the world, people have rubble to sleep on. There are siblings lost and children whose parents died a little over one week ago.

I'm not attacking you. I'm really not. But if you and others like you have lost your humanity, then I would have to ask myself if I were you.. "What good am I to mankind if I have no humanity? How can I see hundreds of thousands of my brothers and sisters in pain, some limbless, most homeless, all in pain.. and not.. feel a thing."

You know, some consider the homeless and tramps to be useless eaters, but I would consider a useless eater to be you. Someone else deserves that bed you sleep in tonight. And yours as well Flanders.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

You'd be "fazed" and care if it happened to you, in your city. You damn well know you would.

Nearly 1,900 people died in Hurricane Katrina. The Indonesian tsunami in 2004 hit the 230,000+ death toll mark and the death estimates (so far) are around 200,000 for the earthquake in Haiti.

It's when we stop caring or that we are "unfazed" that we stop becoming human beings and start being apathetic morons too involved in our own emo driven "all the world is a stage, life sucks everywhere, media driven propaganda, who gives a shit etc." attitudes to remember what it feels like to feel for others in times of crisis as these.

What happened in Haiti just further proves to me that there is no God to care about us. Therefore, we have to care about each other.

Note: I'm not calling names, I'm just sharing my thoughts.

[sorry, I'm late been busy not gonna lie didn't read the rest of the thread just replying to this:]

I completely understand, and you're right.

but my point, and I think the point Scatterbrain was trying to make, is that suffering already exists, we all know this, it's old news.

when a disaster like this happens, it is just...more concentrated? and so a golden opportunity for the "apathetic morons" to pretend like they care all of a sudden and for the media to do whatever they do and for bad charities to actually make a profit off it (like apparently Pat Robertson?).

it's not that I don't care, at all, it's just, there isn't anything I can do.

you know something? I go to starbucks once in awhile for a latte - even though I kindof hate that place because it's so fucking pretentious and I almost choke on the corporate miasma - but anyway, every time I step through the door, I remember something I heard awhile back. I don't remember it clearly, but basically this man in a country over in the middle east caught his 16 year old daughter having sex with some guy...which is a big deal in a country like that, where women are supposed to be covered up all the time and can't even walk within so many feet of men (or whatever), so guess what he does? he slits her throat and leaves her to bleed to death, holding her throat, on the floor.

it isn't that I don't care, I try to help people when I can, I'm not one of those apathetic moron zombies who doesn't consider the pain and suffering that other people go through. yes, this is a major disaster that has just happened, but what about all the suffering that is spread out across the globe, happening every day?

am I supposed to stop everything, and never enjoy myself? I could wake up every day, don sackcloth and rub ashes in my hair because "suffering exists", OR I could enjoy my life, be genuinely grateful that I was born in a free country in a nice neighborhood in a wonderful, loving (albeit religious) family, and not pretend to be this great righteous person just because I gave a dollar to some (probably bogus) charity.

and that isn't directed at you, I'm not saying you're like that, and hopefully you see I'm not exactly like the person you described above? I don't know, I feel like I could have worded all that better but unfortunately I can't articulate today (or most days, admittedly) :\

[edit: I just read your last post...that's poetry. I think we are more or less on the same page.]

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

People usually seem to think that doing something about a bad situation is useless if it can't make a dent in some statistic or help the overall population. If you have the opportunity to help someone at a given moment without it taking away anything truly substantial in your life, why turn away from it simply because you can't possibly solve the whole problem? Yes, there are problems all over the world, and we have our own problems to take care of; we don't all need to feel responsible to help. But what I find so appalling about people is that they actually try to put people down who have realized that it would be worthwhile for them to help even one person. You actually try to turn someone away from helping another human being who is in need. That's just sad.

It appears my point is being missed. Never did I say we shouldn't help others.

I criticized the fact people tend to only help flashy mainstream tragedies (often ignoring tragedy right at their doorsteps). Regardless of that, and worse yet, many seem to think that the fact they donated an insignificantly small amount of money to charity automatically puts them in some higher moral ground and in the right to pass judgement onto others. "Uhhh, I effortlessly pressed a button to donate 20€, a mere few % of my monthly income, to poor people. I'm so much of a better person than you monsters."

The satire by Tim Minchin linked earlier illustrates this very funnily.

Dozens of orphans from Haiti have begun to arrive in the US after having their adoptions fast-tracked in the wake of the earthquake.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ive-in-US.html.

I watched a story on CBS about this and those children looked so happy to be in the U.S. joining their soon-to-be adoptive families.