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come on guys. honestly this guy is trying to hold people back from a deep critical session of thought. read it, i didnt antagonize but i wont let some fool lead me astray or lead anyone else astray. are you mad about the country and society as a whole because thats where the conversation started before this cunt attempted to abduct it.
Like I said, the name calling ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
You already spammed my thread dedicated to posting pertinent sources of information on this topic. :? I think it is you who is the coward, since you fall back on letting meaningless propaganda speak for you instead of presenting an actual opinion for yourself. You are directionless. "Join the INFOWAR" is not a real call to action, there is no such thing as the info war, apart from the alex jones website. You have no plan to effect change. You are quite obviously disillusioned. You distrust the government and the media but are incapable of clearly expressing why. You don't buy the ideals that are being fed to you but you don't seem to be forming any new ones for yourself. This is what it means to be disillusioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
What makes my claims even more obviously true is the fact that instead of entering into a mature discussion on the issue with people here, you instead chose to take a defensive stance and lash out at anyone who doesn't appear to agree with your extremely vague position. Instead of explaining yourself further, you just threw out some insults. To me this proves you don't have a cause to fight for (directionless) since you obviously don't care that you are forcing people away from your 'side'.
Cite sources or lose 10 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
You mentioned "infowar" and "new world order" which is like code-speak for Alex Jones. And the black helicopter picture was satirical.Quote:
stop this shit of saying you are upset but this post is somehow connected to alex jones or black helicopters.
Go time for what?Quote:
wake up and realize that its go time.
Do you pay taxes?Quote:
i dont take orders from ... the government or anyone.
The founding fathers were rich, white slave owners that set up the very governmental system we have today. If you're going to go for the "freedom fighter" appeal at least pick better candidates for idols.Quote:
THE FOUNDING FATHERS DIDNT FUCKING SIT ON A FENCE AND TRY TO TALK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT TAKING ACTION TO CHANGE THEIR REALITY AND I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME.
My avatar debunks this statement.Quote:
YOU LOVE THE GOVERNMENT.
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YOU PUSSY
There's no point in being so pissed and mad and angry. Take a level-headed approach to things. Everyone's going to just think you're a crazee if this is how you regularly flip out.
Listen, poopman, believe me, I understand what you are getting at, and I get what everyone else is getting at too, and it may feel like an attack. I'm not trying to be condescending or rude in any way; I just want you to take a step back for a moment and observe this thread as though you were an undecided person who is merely observing the conversation and the things presented.
I agree entirely with Lseadragon, who said,
Even if you are RIGHT-- which allow me to clarify, I believe many of the things you're pissed about are TRUE, the MANNER in which you are presenting them is not going to get people to listen. To the contrary, it's going to provoke the same reactions you are getting in this thread, and as I said, it will feel like an attack on you, but it's not one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lseadragon
Believe me, BELIEVE me, when I say, I know how you feel. Angry and frustrated that no one appears to give a shit about what's going on. I started a similar thread to this one a while ago.
I understand what you are saying. It's also necessary as someone who is trying to create change, that you must try to keep a positive outlook, and not accept ANYTHING at face value. I know that the globalist insane 'new world order' pushers exist. I know they do. They have always existed, and they always will. They have also always failed.
You and I are a lot alike. It's so easy to let yourself get wrapped up in all of this and get frustrated and worked up because no one seems to care, isn't it? But what if you went about it differently? Here's a thought.
As far as my understanding of science goes, light and darkness cannot be present in the exact same space. On a more metaphorical level, where there is darkness, there is uncertainty, because we cannot see where there is no light. To shed light on something is to rid a particular area of darkness. To shed awareness on something is to bring the uncertainty to an end (in a manner of speaking.)
What I'm trying to say is that I think there are many many people going about this the wrong way. Believe me, I'd like to collect all of my favourite guns and go march to battle with these fuckers, but that's useless, and will create more problems. Another thing that will cause problems is FEAR MONGERING which is what this entire craze has spread into, and I realize that I was a part of that for a time.
Instead of talking about how screwed and doomed we are, lets work to create a solution instead of commiting verbal and written assault on those who are a part of a community with you, and who want great things, just like you do. We're all people, with our ups and downs. To verbally assault someone will not only lead them astray from embracing one another and standing up together, it will push them away, and kill what you're trying to accomplish.
Your intentions are great. I see that. My advice to you would be to find a more effective way of trying to wake people up.
A good video to watch that talks about how much the government sucks AND provides a rational and workable solution (this, in my opinion, is key) would have to be Zeitgeist: Addendum.
P.S. Poopman, you should totally have the Poopsmith as your avatar.
http://www.hrwiki.org/w/images/thumb...-poopsmith.PNG
I'm just throwing it out there that "new world order" isn't "code-speak for Alex Jones". A lot of people talk about the New World Order (or NWO), a lot of politicians, like Obama (Ignore the cheesy starwars music and Hitler reference in that video, although the person who did it is probably a little off the rocker, the news footage they use is representative of the actual point Obama was putting across) or Mr. Old Bush. Also, the way politicians talk about the NWO seems like a pretty good idea at first, and in fact I agree that the world should work together and be united, but the WAY it appears they are going about this is the scary part. The means never justifies the ends, to say so is to cast aside our humanity and adopt a sociopathic one. Zeitgeist movies are one way to learn about what they do and there are lots of other good ones as well. Be careful watching some of these movies however because some of them are just fear-mongering B.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
Even the Financial Times talked about a New World Order.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=73550
For some people NWO symbolizes conspiracy theory in the sense of George Orwell,
for others it's just a synonym for a shift in power due to globalization. It's like the
word 'god', everybody thinks of something else.
edit: nevermind, in the article it's not new world order, but one world government.
The Zeitgeist movies are great for sensationalism and government skeptics...sort of. Zeitgeist: Addendum is a bit ridiculous with its "resource-based economy/venus project" crap though. I'm personally not a fan of technocratic communist drivel.
As for my comment on how "NWO" and "infowar" are code for Alex Jones, it wasn't really a serious statement. I just see a lot of Alex Jones-followers yelling "FIGHT THE NEW WORLD ORDER!" Plus, I think Jones' website is called "infowars.org."
Same here, just not under a government or coercive institution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suscitatsio
i wonder to myself if anyone actually watched the video i posted because i still have not seen one person comment on the video.
lol this thread
posting in Network thread #6942
Network was a pretty dang good movie, though I think people miss the point. WAY miss it.
i am curious about what anyone missed?Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
They take it too literally and think we should be like the disciples of Howard, throwing our TVs out the window and severing all economic ties with the Middle East in some xenophobic fit and damn capitilism as some method to strip us of our humanity. We are supposed to think about these concepts and realize the Howard has some good points. But in the end his character was presented as a radical, slightly schizophrenic man suffering from delusions of grandeur with no real answers for a reason. The movie illustrated what is usually true- that wisdom lies in balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopman
Also, the theme was less political than is easily percieved. Political underpinnings were used as a veil to talk more about social issues.
Amongst others, there were grave political implications.
As far as I remember, that one bill was a centerpiece of the film as was the
part about the complete corpotarization of the world and the downfall of
democracy in the end. On what level teaches this movie "balance"?
I rather see the point of the movie in the unbalanced way that information
is delivered and the way people are being distracted from issues, while in
the end showing a rather dark picture that nothing will or can really change.
It shows the irony that while Beale in the beginning speaks his mind, he is
still a pawn of the corporate media and big finances that use him either for
political or financial gain and get rid of him as soon as he doesn't conform.
There are many different facettes to it - but I fail to really see how it conveys
what you're saying. To say the movie teaches the "wisdom of balance" seems
to me either like a stretch, or your own personal philosphy you attribute to it.
I think you can interprete quite a lot in it and its intentions.
Are you referring to any commentary of the writers/director or someone alike?
(Although I don't disagree that there was a major focus on social issues also)
The whole balace thing was meant socially, as in your life, notsomuch politically. But I you see Howard criticising people who don't care or stay up to date on the issues. Then you see Howard himself who is obssessed and consumed by his philosophies until he is finally shot. There is also Max. The real protaganist. He doesn't completely non-conform but he doesn't allow greed to become the center of his life either. Sure, things are very far from perfect. But he remains his own person and I believe it is implied that things turn out alrgith for him in the end. You could very well be right, though. This may also have been a part of the plot based on who realistically wins and loses in the world. Or it could have been in the movie for some entirely different reason. Still, I think it was intentional.Quote:
Originally Posted by dajo
Globalization was discussed as was the power big corporations in general. Sure, that was important to the plot. The movie uses those things to talk more about social issues, though. At least I think so. And I consider information bias more social than political. Hyper-consumerism and how we all fit into the big money machine, too. I would argue corporationism was less important then that issue as well as quite a few others.)
And anyone reading, please don't think that I find my interpretation to be absolute and all others are wrong. I don't.
I think conspiracy theories are fun to poke at, but as far as taking them as fact is folly. Sure, most everyone on the planet is getting fucked over one way or another, but they don't know exactly how. That is why there are grand conspiracy theories such as the New World Order. The ironic thing is that the New World Order is more of a new-age word for One World Government. If presented to people, they are more likely to believe a One World Government is in the making instead of a New World Order. Someone isn't going to have a clue what "New World Order" even means because it is more of a title for conspiracy theories that reinforce each other. Mostly, New World Order is a play of words. Speaking of which, we most definitely have a One World Government taking shape. It could even be said that we already have a One World Government.
Now another thing that is interesting is how people blame government etc.. That too is a play of words. It isn't government that is the problem, it is people within the government. You see, it doesn't matter what system of government a county has, what matters is the leadership. Yes, even a Dictatorship could be amazing, if ruled by morally and ethically equipped leadership.
I just think when people use key phrases like "New World Order" or "The government is screwing us over", they are creating division among the masses due to disagreement through confusion. Essentially, it weakens the masses by masking their identical thoughts, which creates conflict such as "Alex Jones loon" or "Sheeple".
Hmm...the blind leading the blind. Really?
The One World Government could be good if it was ruled by morally and ethically equipped leadership rather than corporations.
But history shows that sooner or later, any form of government is just a transitional
phase into something else and will be exploited if given the opportunity.
Damn it! You are right! I am going back to my home planet as soon as I figure out this lucid dream teleportation thing.
Kind of reminiscent of the concept of death, yes? The ultimate in recycling. Collapse, rise, collapse, rise, infinite...Quote:
Originally Posted by dajo
Not just government, but any abstract form of leadership, really. The same way politicians abuse their power, so, sometimes, do religious leaders, business owners...hell, even chairpersons of seemingly innocuous non-profit organizations. It all comes from our own self-interest...opportunism is a very animalistic trait, and we humans, still but animals at the very core of our being, tend to do whatever helps the "me". I'm sure a lot of you aren't power-hungry people by nature, but tell me, if a position of power - no matter how small - fell into your lap, wouldn't you try and get the most out of it, as far as you, yourself, are concerned? I'm not afraid to admit that I probably would. Hell, I'm the biggest opportunist I know when it comes to competitive video games such as Super Smash Bros...my friends don't even want to play those games with me anymore, it's that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by dajo
Main point being, politicians who exploit whatever they can aren't guilty of being "EEEEEEEE~VILLLLLLLL!", but rather, they are guilty of being human.