Tomorrow it's week 3 day 3 for me. How long have you been doing it? i never like any at home excercising, feels dumb but i love p90x!
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Tomorrow it's week 3 day 3 for me. How long have you been doing it? i never like any at home excercising, feels dumb but i love p90x!
Dear lord flanders....
Still falling for this stuff?
The only good exercise is the usual ones. Running, pushups, swimming etc.
All these things do is try to repackage it and make it sound cool.
Just run or swim and eat more protein, whey powder is a good source.
As someone who's actually done p90x, I can tell you that it's awesome. It produces results faster than any other method I've used. I still have mine, but it's been a while since I've had the dedication to jump back into it (mostly been doing my own circuits). It will definitely kick your ass, though. I plan to pick it up, every now and then, if only just to keep myself level.
Keep your ignorance out of this thread. I'm not asking if this is a scam, i KNOW this isn't a scam and P90X works. I'm asking if anyone else here does this. Also, please start researching things before you try and make me look gullible...Also please stop following me into threads, i'm getting tired of reading your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Following you in to threads? lol
I didn't even know you still came on to these forums until I read this post.
What is P90X?
It's an extreme home fitness that works with muscle confusion. It's pretty damn intense, too. When people do P90X they normally do it's evil twin brother next called Insanity, which is done by Shawn T. P90X gets you the results in 3 months and helps with the muscle, Insanity takes 2 months and it's mostly cardio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvo
I think I'll check it, just out of professional interest.
EDIT: Done checking. I did have a hard time find any routine videos, since 50 first videos are just before - after advertisement crap.
After a while I found some routine videos where people do the movements, it doesn't look any way revolutionary. Is there something I am not getting? They are doing different sets of crunches, pull ups, pushups, plyometric movements and such that are common in any seriously practiced athletism.
This is not to say that they would not work. Most likely they do, there are some pretty good moves there. But it is nothing new or worth paying for ( or at least not in the circles I am training) . In fact, I do believe it is already lagging behind, since better conditioning is deviced all the time.
Please post some more info of this, if you are able. I am very interested in everything that involves conditioning. I like to compare it to what I teach and train myself.
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My avast antivirus told me that site has a trojan horse and blocked it right away....Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
ANyway, just read around, p90x really works. If it does not work for some people then it's because they did not do it right. Follow the nutrition book, and give your best effort at the excercises and you will see results. Making this work is 90% of what you eat, because nutrition is everything. If you want more cardio, then go for insanity.
Have you noticed any significant results it yet? I ask out of genuine curiosity.
Nothing yet, but i'm still eating alot of Carbs, and Sugars and ignoring the nutrition part of it, you need alot of protein which i'm lacking but my arms are sure starting to tighten up. LOTS of pushups, pullups, and dumbell excercises. But like i said, if you want the results you need to follow their plan, which i'm going to starting next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinGill
I'm not exactly their target demographic (i.e. "really in shape, want to be MORE in shape"), but when I did it, I did notice some results, though nothing drastic.
The workouts are pretty badass. I actually like the non-weight ones best. Plyo is my fav., and yoga is pretty awesome.
My only complaint is, it's a far cry from a lifestyle change. Don't expect to "stick with it" after the 90 day commitment is over. It always felt like more of a burden than a manageable change for the long haul.
How much of your own money are you willing to bet that the guy who wrote that article actually even tried the workouts, instead of just refuting his interpretation of the marketing tagline of "muscle confusion"? I also find it interesting how people try to compare the program with a dedicated bodybuilder's regimen (aka "just lift more weights!"), when the two are nothing alike. Does anyone here know how much time an actual body builder spends in the gym? I assure you that it's more than an hour a day. This program is designed to hit different muscle groups effectively, in a short amount of time. Not enough to get ridiculously bulky (which seems to be the misconception, here), but to get a complete, full-body workout, that's going to tone you up and give you more muscle, without putting all of the emphasis on bulk.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
And, as I said, as someone who has both done the program (for weeks at a time, but not the entire 90 days in one shot), and worked out my own circuits in a gym, I can tell you that p90x definitely does work, and it works very well.
Plyo is a beast. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicon
And yeah. The hardest part is definitely sticking with it. It's a pretty intense workout, and you have to have that special mindset to get up the willpower to do it every day.
Yeah, it works coz you're lifting weights. Lifting weights builds muscle. Shocker.
You're missing the point, and I have a feeling you're losing sight of the train of thought you rode into this thread on:Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Even the title of the link you posted implied that p90x "is bullshit."Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
First, you state that someone who is doing p90x is 'falling for stuff', and that the only good exercises are running, swimming, pushups, etc (two of which, P90x doesn't even use, btw). And now, you are agreeing that p90x works. I'm confused.
Just what exactly is your beef, here? That the program works? It's different than running, swimming, etc, because it will give you different types of exercise (and, ultimately, different results). Or do you dissent because people pay money for a program like this? (I didn't! Lol) Because people pay money for personal trainers, all the time, and it's usually worth having that structured, professional program, as opposed to just trying to fumble you're way through improvised circuits - which could lead to things like muscular imbalance.
Bodybuilding is one of the most confused thing in the world. I hardly lift weights anymore, only for certain moves. Also, I detest the word bodybuilding. For me it is workout just to look good, which should be ( in my opinion ) the last goal. Besides, looking like a barn door isn't that good. Somehow people are just obsessed with big muscles and do not care at all are they functional.
If you want a body that functions and has power, speed, stamina, explosiveness you do a lot of more things than lift weights.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Lifting your own weight builds muscle, but it does not appeal to those who want that beloved mass.
I have strong believe that this routine is quite good for normal person who wants to get in shape. I don't know the full schedule, which I would need to really see it. But those moves work, at least most of them. It is just that it is nothing new under the sun and it is advertised as such.
It is bullshit, because it is nothing groundbreaking. Exercise and you will get stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Bolded = wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
It doesn't use them? Probly why it's bullshit.
I'm saying it works to make you stronger. OF COURSE IT DOES!!!! Any use of muscles will build your muscle!
Proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I don't care if idiots pay for this or any personal trainers or any other bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
It's just stupid and I dislike stupid things, including people.
If you need structure and discipline from somebody else. Why are you even exercising to begin with? It's supposed to be fun. Not a chore which you despise doing.
If you want to get healthy, walking is the only exercise which has been proven to increase lifespan and overall health.
I wasn't aware that the program marketed itself as groundbreaking. Does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
It's made for people who either want to exercise in their own homes, or who may find themselves traveling a lot. That makes it bullshit? There are many exercise and 'bodybuilding' programs that don't involve those. Arnold Schwarzenegger's book is considered to be the 'Bible of Bodybuilding,' and I can't remember him talking anything about running in it. There are also many different ways to target different muscle groups. I don't see how substituting one type of exercise for another, that targets the same groups, makes it bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Of course it will, but different types of exercises will build your muscles to varying degrees. You seem surprised by this.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Proof? Of what? That if you run for one hour, you will have different results than if you, say, try to do unorthodox types of movements that focuses your weight on the muscles of one leg for an hour? I would think it would be common sense. No, I don't have any 'proof' other than the fact that bodybuilders work individual muscle groups, instead of just running or swimming, because of how they want to define their bodies. The difference is that you are going to be not only strength training your legs, but learning balance in ways you wouldn't normally learn, if you were simply running. It is a nice way to incorporate strength training, agility, cardio, etc., timely. If your argument it something about the purism behind 'just being healthy' vs. 'trying to look good', then that's not really an argument I'm looking to get into.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
But I think it's obvious that targeting different muscle groups and different areas such as increased balance and flexibility is different from 'just running and doing push-ups.' I don't know what kind of proof, you would be looking for, exactly...
Alrighty, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
K.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
I would suppose that is your opinion. Some people do not have the discipline to motivate themselves to exercise and eat right enough to stay fit. That's just the reality of it. And when you are looking for certain gains in your muscle structure, 'just running and doing push-ups' is not the end-all of exercise. When you go in the military, PT is called 'physical training' for a reason. And PT is not just kickball and laps around the pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
By the way, most of the exercises on the program are quite fun. They are just very demanding. Mountain biking is fun, but if you're not up to the workout, it can be more of a chore than a good time. You disagree?
I think it's clear, in this conversation, that exercise is not always just about getting healthy. This seems to be something that upsets you, and I suppose I can understand why, but just other types of physical training, the program does work. So, again, I guess I'm still just kind of lost on what you're exactly arguing about.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Why create a separate "brand" of anything if it isn't going to be marketed as something special?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
No one would buy it.
Even if it doesn't say it specifically, it is in the way it is presented and how they talk about it.
not that I've looked in to it too deeply at all, maybe they do specifically say it's something amazing, I don't know.
The point was I said those three exercises are the best ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
You said "This doesn't even incorporate two of those" like it was a good thing lol
Because running doesn't give you bulking muscles. It gives you actual strength and endurance. Along with increased lung capacity and many other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Not really. Do any exercise enough and you will build the same amount of muscle as any other exercise. As long as you're talking about all anaerobic exercises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Obviously aerobic exercises like running long distance and swimming will not give you the same muscle bulk.
Not really. The whole thing is just scam central.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
How about a scientific study showing that p90x gives dramatically better results than any other exercise routine? Or at least most common exercises?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Then why do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Don't get the relevance of the PT thing.... but anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Why would you want to build certain areas of your muscle structure?
What is the point?
To look coo?
So.... it works to help you do more training better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
So you're building up certain muscles to be able to use those muscles better in further muscle building exercises?
Awesome.
I'm kind of lost as to why people are all for this but pretty much everybody was all over the other things posted by flanders telling him how scammy and bullshit it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Well, actually I'm not lost as to the reason.
P.S - It's marketing and bullshit pseudo-science talk.
Since I understand what it is you don't like about it (You apparently don't disagree that it works, you just have a problem with the fact that it's a marketed product), then I really see no reason to go back and forth with you about it. But I will say this:
No. You said that they were 'the only good ones'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
You don't need any "scientific proof" if you have knowledge how body works. I still would like to see the whole routine so I could give it good overall score.
You say running is one of the best workout? I don't agree or then we have to at least define for what exactly? Yes, it is good overall, it increases your oxygen absorbsion, lung capacity and endurance. But it is only for legs. Even if you are marathoner, you cannot keep up that good if you have to ie. wrestle, do circuit training, lift weights. You need to compensate with muscle workout and cardio that uses the whole body, if you really want to get evenly trained body. Swimming is pretty good as side training. It utilizes more the whole body.
But if you only train for endurance ie. long distance running then you lack of other areas. Strength, speed,
Really? Are you saying that by doing situps you can get the same effect on your abs as doing twisters on a chin up bar as long as you do those situps enough or am I understanding something wrong? Obviously there are very good movements and not so good movements. The more dynamic and challenging the exercise is the more results you will eventually get. Granted, you have to work harder, but that is why you train. Human body has limits and needs to rest and that is why those who seek to become really strongQuote:
Do any exercise enough and you will build the same amount of muscle as any other exercise. As long as you're talking about all anaerobic exercises.
develop routines and moves that grant most result and to the many areas as well.
My problem with this is that I have hard time to see these things from point of normal, not so active person. Running, swimming, badminton, heck almost everything is good to keep you healthy and in some shape, but if you want to talk about how athletes do then it is pretty different.
Well, "good" was referring to making you healthier etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I agree. We used to know that the brain pumped blood around the body, until William Harvery came in with all that pesky scientific stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unelias
I bought the P90X with my own money, it's worth it. Since i've started following the nutrition a little bit more i've lost 10 pounds, and now things that i struggled with are becoming much easier to lift. My plan is to perhaps look like Tony Horton one day.
My point is Tommo that when you seem to encounter something you are very adamant against personally you are always asking for scienitific proof. It is a good thing in general, since science has its qualities, but in this case it is totally absurd. It was not an insult against you, just to show how science won't be a card here at this thread.
Well, MY point was that a lot of things seems like common sense, but our common sense is a lot of the time incredibly incorrect.
That is true, but you use already that scientific information to evaluate these things. Most of these things have been studied scientifically and if you can apply that knowledge to see if these things are working. Also, if you have spent much of time in physical field and taken courses and broaden your knowledge then you can call that "common sense" accurate.
That's how I see it. I don't know any more of this p90x than you, I have only seen about ten clips of different routines and read some articles. If we wanted to really evaluate it we need to see the whole thing, I am afraid.
That might be true, the second bit of your post. But I don't think it's going to be anything amazing that you couldn't achieve with any other normal exercises.
I'm about to make a super geeky analogy: Training a neural network.
If you're teaching a neural net to do text recognition (one letter at a time, for simplicity), you need to feed it lots of samples with correct answers (e.g. "<sample writing> - this is an R").
As you feed it more and more samples, it will learn to recognize other stuff.
But there is a difference in what order you feed it the samples. If you have 100 samples of each letter, you want to mix it up. If you feed it 100 Rs, then 100 Bs, etc. it will grow differently than if you feed random letters in random order (2600 samples, in no particular order). It will be MUCH more effective and versatile if you trained it by mixing it up early on.
I think this is a really great analogy to learning, as well as physical fitness. It's not a "scientific proof" by any stretch, but it's a kind of reasoning why "mixing it up" is better than "doing the same thing over and over for a LONG time and then changing it and then doing the same thing over and over, etc."
But I think the way they talk about "muscle confusion theory" is misleading. Yes, it's good to mix it up, and I wouldn't be shocked if the way they change the workouts and ordering around DID make a huge difference. I DID find that after the first few weeks, when I switched over to the second set (which is just a replacement of the weight training modules, to cover different muscle groups together, with slightly different exercises), the workouts became a lot harder for a while (as was the case when switching back to the original model).
But it just comes down to switching it up a lot, rather than optimizing your body for one specific workout.
But I think it's more about balanced growth, than it is about "your muscles will get bigger and stronger faster if you confuse them" - THAT statement, I think is bs.
From Mark Rippetoe: "It works very well since it is most people’s first exposure to an exercise protocol that’s supposed to be hard, and the impression of most inexperienced people who have tried it is very positive. P90X works well for the same reason, as does HIT, Turbo-Jam, the first week of football practice, and all participation in the first phases of any reasonably challenging sport. A strenuous physical effort – no matter what it is – acts as a stimulus for adaptation, up until the point that the adaptation occurs and the program fails to further progressively load."
I could agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicon
Not that the neural net is analogous to muscles in every respect.
I love doing plyometrics! Just yesterday when i was doing it i was going mega hard, i even started before they even started on the DVD. I drank 9 cups of water during that 1 hour workout, and drained about 3 cups of sweat. I was not even half assing it, i was moving my body as fast as i could go for most of the workout. It was killer but it felt gooooood. When it came to break time, i just did jumping jacks as fast as i could, or running in the spot with knees up high moving as fast as i could. Today at work my boss told me i've lost so much weight (40 pounds since January?). I would have lost alot more but i'm still slacking off in the nutrition department...i don't know how to cook and learning bores me, but i'll just have to suck it up. I fell to my knee, though. My heart felt like it was about to rip through my skin....they say bring it, so i bring it. Even if i pass out, which i have come close a few times.
This needs to be taken down. Microsoft Security Essentials Confirms that there is a virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
I do Ab Ripper X along with some other exercises in the winter, but not the full thing. Ab Ripper X is fun. The rest is just grueling.
Probably shouldn't have quoted it then. Now if a mod feels so inclined to remove it, they'll also have to go to the trouble of removing it from your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1701
Got rid of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Im considering trying this out myself now, as I dont want to cut to 155 for mma competition, I would rather stay at 170 with a more balanced body. At the last mma gym I went to, one guy who started coming was weighing 270 with a huge belly. Then he started p90x and after a semester of using it he was down to 210ish, and way stronger. It was crazy.
Now of course, Im only looking to get stronger, I already am pretty skinny. But I heard you can use it for either goal or both so it might be worth investigating to me because I dont really have time to drive to a gym between working 8 hours a day and going to mma 2 hours a day already :/ Id rather get the strength training done at home.
Yea. Getting one of those doorway pullup bars is good though. Pullups are cool. Gyms are overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by tkdyo
By the way, do any of you guys think Tony Horton's one-liners are sometimes really, really creepy?
"I hear breathing... makes me happy"
Tip for you all...DON'T do pullups as fast as you can with those doorway pullup bars. Why? i tried it and almost broke my tailbone....it's bruised atm, still healing so some p90x things are hard to do with that pain, especially AB Ripper X.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1701
As for what Replicon said...i don't listen to him, i heard you'll either like listening to him or you'll hate it so much. I haven't heard him before, i always use my ipod instead.
I have memorized virtually everything he says on Ab ripper x. Favorites from that one:
"Half way through, party's almost over man, what a bummer"
"Making contact! Jason's makin' contact elbow side!"
"Here we go, not gonna mess around"
"There's a no grab"
"This is WRONG, anybody can do this. THAT'S where the money is!"
"Harder, easier, easiest"
"This is Pam, they call her BLAM"
"Geeeuuuhman potaaato souuuup"
"Touch the toes"
Is ab ripper x significantly better than doing a bunch of crunches?
Yes, much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1701
Yeah Ab Ripper X introduces a lot of variety, and works more muscles than just crunches.
Tony Horton is a BEAST! and he's only 53 years old.
TONY HORTON BEACH WORKOUT with Anne Kearns Fers.m4v - YouTube
Lmao. I love that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicon
MP45- Muscle Prodigy's Exclusive 45 Day Weight Loss & Muscle Building Program- Shred the Fat & Build the Body of Your Dreams!
Just wondering, is this site legit? any MP45ers on here, or heard of it? 45 days seems a bit fast.
My brother lent me the Ab Ripper X video. Just that one. I like it a lot but Tony's voice kind of annoys me. xD
I like their yoga routine. I'm not big on the host but I enjoy doing yoga with their routine on so I'm less likely to wimp out when it gets brutal
I just got this regimen along with the Intensity workout, looking forward to trying them both out.
I think people are constantly in need of.. A quick fix. They don't want to do the work themselves and that's why a lot of them schedule appointments with personal trainers and buy things off of tv-shop. I have never heard of P90X but I just wanted to throw my opinion out there.
I'm going to read some more about this.
In what way is consistently doing a bunch of pretty hard workouts for 90 days straight a quick-fix? Believe me, the people that are doing the workout are doing all the work themselves. It's not like they're buying a DIY liposuction kit. :D That's like saying hikers who buy a book of great hikes in their area are lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skybridge
I have a friend who went through p90x twice without skipping a day, and he experienced very good results. But, you can't really say it's because of p90x. He ate a very good diet and worked out extensively every day. Doing that, you'll see results regardless of what exercise video you're watching... the p90x videos are just guides.
Personally, I can't stand doing exercises in front of a TV. I actually find it difficult to follow and keep up with exercise videos, and I have no motivation whatsoever to work up a sweat while dancing around to some really lame video. Gym or biking for me. :)
Yeah, gym, biking + hiking it is for me too. Or, you can watch the exercise videos a few times, and just rip the Audio and do it at the gym or at the park or whatever, while wearing headphones.