Thread: any p90xers here?

Dear lord flanders....

Still falling for this stuff?

The only good exercise is the usual ones. Running, pushups, swimming etc.

All these things do is try to repackage it and make it sound cool.

Just run or swim and eat more protein, whey powder is a good source.

As someone who's actually done p90x, I can tell you that it's awesome. It produces results faster than any other method I've used. I still have mine, but it's been a while since I've had the dedication to jump back into it (mostly been doing my own circuits). It will definitely kick your ass, though. I plan to pick it up, every now and then, if only just to keep myself level.

Originally Posted by tommo

Dear lord flanders....

Still falling for this stuff?

The only good exercise is the usual ones. Running, pushups, swimming etc.

All these things do is try to repackage it and make it sound cool.

Just run or swim and eat more protein, whey powder is a good source.

Keep your ignorance out of this thread. I'm not asking if this is a scam, i KNOW this isn't a scam and P90X works. I'm asking if anyone else here does this. Also, please start researching things before you try and make me look gullible...Also please stop following me into threads, i'm getting tired of reading your posts.

Following you in to threads? lol
I didn't even know you still came on to these forums until I read this post.

What is P90X?

Originally Posted by Marvo

What is P90X?

It's an extreme home fitness that works with muscle confusion. It's pretty damn intense, too. When people do P90X they normally do it's evil twin brother next called Insanity, which is done by Shawn T. P90X gets you the results in 3 months and helps with the muscle, Insanity takes 2 months and it's mostly cardio.

I think I'll check it, just out of professional interest.

EDIT: Done checking. I did have a hard time find any routine videos, since 50 first videos are just before - after advertisement crap.

After a while I found some routine videos where people do the movements, it doesn't look any way revolutionary. Is there something I am not getting? They are doing different sets of crunches, pull ups, pushups, plyometric movements and such that are common in any seriously practiced athletism.

This is not to say that they would not work. Most likely they do, there are some pretty good moves there. But it is nothing new or worth paying for ( or at least not in the circles I am training) . In fact, I do believe it is already lagging behind, since better conditioning is deviced all the time.

Please post some more info of this, if you are able. I am very interested in everything that involves conditioning. I like to compare it to what I teach and train myself.

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Originally Posted by tommo

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My avast antivirus told me that site has a trojan horse and blocked it right away....

ANyway, just read around, p90x really works. If it does not work for some people then it's because they did not do it right. Follow the nutrition book, and give your best effort at the excercises and you will see results. Making this work is 90% of what you eat, because nutrition is everything. If you want more cardio, then go for insanity.

Have you noticed any significant results it yet? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

Have you noticed any significant results it yet? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

Nothing yet, but i'm still eating alot of Carbs, and Sugars and ignoring the nutrition part of it, you need alot of protein which i'm lacking but my arms are sure starting to tighten up. LOTS of pushups, pullups, and dumbell excercises. But like i said, if you want the results you need to follow their plan, which i'm going to starting next week.

I'm not exactly their target demographic (i.e. "really in shape, want to be MORE in shape"), but when I did it, I did notice some results, though nothing drastic.

The workouts are pretty badass. I actually like the non-weight ones best. Plyo is my fav., and yoga is pretty awesome.

My only complaint is, it's a far cry from a lifestyle change. Don't expect to "stick with it" after the 90 day commitment is over. It always felt like more of a burden than a manageable change for the long haul.

Originally Posted by tommo

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How much of your own money are you willing to bet that the guy who wrote that article actually even tried the workouts, instead of just refuting his interpretation of the marketing tagline of "muscle confusion"? I also find it interesting how people try to compare the program with a dedicated bodybuilder's regimen (aka "just lift more weights!"), when the two are nothing alike. Does anyone here know how much time an actual body builder spends in the gym? I assure you that it's more than an hour a day. This program is designed to hit different muscle groups effectively, in a short amount of time. Not enough to get ridiculously bulky (which seems to be the misconception, here), but to get a complete, full-body workout, that's going to tone you up and give you more muscle, without putting all of the emphasis on bulk.

And, as I said, as someone who has both done the program (for weeks at a time, but not the entire 90 days in one shot), and worked out my own circuits in a gym, I can tell you that p90x definitely does work, and it works very well.

Originally Posted by Replicon

The workouts are pretty badass. I actually like the non-weight ones best. Plyo is my fav., and yoga is pretty awesome.

Plyo is a beast. Haha.

And yeah. The hardest part is definitely sticking with it. It's a pretty intense workout, and you have to have that special mindset to get up the willpower to do it every day.

Yeah, it works coz you're lifting weights. Lifting weights builds muscle. Shocker.

Originally Posted by tommo

Yeah, it works coz you're lifting weights. Lifting weights builds muscle. Shocker.

You're missing the point, and I have a feeling you're losing sight of the train of thought you rode into this thread on:

Originally Posted by tommo

Still falling for this stuff?

Still falling for this stuff?

The only good exercise is the usual ones. Running, pushups, swimming etc.

All these things do is try to repackage it and make it sound cool.

Just run or swim and eat more protein, whey powder is a good source.

Even the title of the link you posted implied that p90x "is bullshit."

First, you state that someone who is doing p90x is 'falling for stuff', and that the only good exercises are running, swimming, pushups, etc (two of which, P90x doesn't even use, btw). And now, you are agreeing that p90x works. I'm confused.

Just what exactly is your beef, here? That the program works? It's different than running, swimming, etc, because it will give you different types of exercise (and, ultimately, different results). Or do you dissent because people pay money for a program like this? (I didn't! Lol) Because people pay money for personal trainers, all the time, and it's usually worth having that structured, professional program, as opposed to just trying to fumble you're way through improvised circuits - which could lead to things like muscular imbalance.

Bodybuilding is one of the most confused thing in the world. I hardly lift weights anymore, only for certain moves. Also, I detest the word bodybuilding. For me it is workout just to look good, which should be ( in my opinion ) the last goal. Besides, looking like a barn door isn't that good. Somehow people are just obsessed with big muscles and do not care at all are they functional.

Originally Posted by tommo

Yeah, it works coz you're lifting weights. Lifting weights builds muscle. Shocker.

If you want a body that functions and has power, speed, stamina, explosiveness you do a lot of more things than lift weights.
Lifting your own weight builds muscle, but it does not appeal to those who want that beloved mass.

I have strong believe that this routine is quite good for normal person who wants to get in shape. I don't know the full schedule, which I would need to really see it. But those moves work, at least most of them. It is just that it is nothing new under the sun and it is advertised as such.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

You're missing the point, and I have a feeling you're losing sight of the train of thought you rode into this thread on:

Even the title of the link you posted implied that p90x "is bullshit."

It is bullshit, because it is nothing groundbreaking. Exercise and you will get stronger.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

First, you state that someone who is doing p90x is 'falling for stuff', and that the only good exercises are running, swimming, pushups, etc (two of which, P90x doesn't even use, btw). And now, you are agreeing that p90x works. I'm confused.

Bolded = wtf?
It doesn't use them? Probly why it's bullshit.

I'm saying it works to make you stronger. OF COURSE IT DOES!!!! Any use of muscles will build your muscle!

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Just what exactly is your beef, here? That the program works? It's different than running, swimming, etc, because it will give you different types of exercise (and, ultimately, different results).

Proof?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Or do you dissent because people pay money for a program like this? (I didn't! Lol) Because people pay money for personal trainers, all the time, and it's usually worth having that structured, professional program, as opposed to just trying to fumble you're way through improvised circuits - which could lead to things like muscular imbalance.

I don't care if idiots pay for this or any personal trainers or any other bullshit.

It's just stupid and I dislike stupid things, including people.

If you need structure and discipline from somebody else. Why are you even exercising to begin with? It's supposed to be fun. Not a chore which you despise doing.

If you want to get healthy, walking is the only exercise which has been proven to increase lifespan and overall health.

Originally Posted by tommo

It is bullshit, because it is nothing groundbreaking. Exercise and you will get stronger.

I wasn't aware that the program marketed itself as groundbreaking. Does it?

Originally Posted by tommo

Bolded = wtf?
It doesn't use them? Probly why it's bullshit.

It's made for people who either want to exercise in their own homes, or who may find themselves traveling a lot. That makes it bullshit? There are many exercise and 'bodybuilding' programs that don't involve those. Arnold Schwarzenegger's book is considered to be the 'Bible of Bodybuilding,' and I can't remember him talking anything about running in it. There are also many different ways to target different muscle groups. I don't see how substituting one type of exercise for another, that targets the same groups, makes it bullshit.

Originally Posted by tommo

I'm saying it works to make you stronger. OF COURSE IT DOES!!!! Any use of muscles will build your muscle!

Of course it will, but different types of exercises will build your muscles to varying degrees. You seem surprised by this.

Originally Posted by tommo

Proof?

Proof? Of what? That if you run for one hour, you will have different results than if you, say, try to do unorthodox types of movements that focuses your weight on the muscles of one leg for an hour? I would think it would be common sense. No, I don't have any 'proof' other than the fact that bodybuilders work individual muscle groups, instead of just running or swimming, because of how they want to define their bodies. The difference is that you are going to be not only strength training your legs, but learning balance in ways you wouldn't normally learn, if you were simply running. It is a nice way to incorporate strength training, agility, cardio, etc., timely. If your argument it something about the purism behind 'just being healthy' vs. 'trying to look good', then that's not really an argument I'm looking to get into.

But I think it's obvious that targeting different muscle groups and different areas such as increased balance and flexibility is different from 'just running and doing push-ups.' I don't know what kind of proof, you would be looking for, exactly...

Originally Posted by tommo

It's just stupid

Alrighty, then.

Originally Posted by tommo

I dislike stupid things, including people.

K.

Originally Posted by tommo

If you need structure and discipline from somebody else. Why are you even exercising to begin with? It's supposed to be fun. Not a chore which you despise doing.

I would suppose that is your opinion. Some people do not have the discipline to motivate themselves to exercise and eat right enough to stay fit. That's just the reality of it. And when you are looking for certain gains in your muscle structure, 'just running and doing push-ups' is not the end-all of exercise. When you go in the military, PT is called 'physical training' for a reason. And PT is not just kickball and laps around the pool.

By the way, most of the exercises on the program are quite fun. They are just very demanding. Mountain biking is fun, but if you're not up to the workout, it can be more of a chore than a good time. You disagree?

Originally Posted by tommo

If you want to get healthy, walking is the only exercise which has been proven to increase lifespan and overall health.

I think it's clear, in this conversation, that exercise is not always just about getting healthy. This seems to be something that upsets you, and I suppose I can understand why, but just other types of physical training, the program does work. So, again, I guess I'm still just kind of lost on what you're exactly arguing about.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I wasn't aware that the program marketed itself as groundbreaking. Does it?

Why create a separate "brand" of anything if it isn't going to be marketed as something special?
No one would buy it.

Even if it doesn't say it specifically, it is in the way it is presented and how they talk about it.
not that I've looked in to it too deeply at all, maybe they do specifically say it's something amazing, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

It's made for people who either want to exercise in their own homes, or who may find themselves traveling a lot. That makes it bullshit?

The point was I said those three exercises are the best ones.
You said "This doesn't even incorporate two of those" like it was a good thing lol

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

There are many exercise and 'bodybuilding' programs that don't involve those. Arnold Schwarzenegger's book is considered to be the 'Bible of Bodybuilding,' and I can't remember him talking anything about running in it. There are also many different ways to target different muscle groups. I don't see how substituting one type of exercise for another, that targets the same groups, makes it bullshit.

Because running doesn't give you bulking muscles. It gives you actual strength and endurance. Along with increased lung capacity and many other things.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Of course it will, but different types of exercises will build your muscles to varying degrees. You seem surprised by this.

Not really. Do any exercise enough and you will build the same amount of muscle as any other exercise. As long as you're talking about all anaerobic exercises.
Obviously aerobic exercises like running long distance and swimming will not give you the same muscle bulk.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

If your argument it something about the purism behind 'just being healthy' vs. 'trying to look good', then that's not really an argument I'm looking to get into.

Not really. The whole thing is just scam central.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

But I think it's obvious that targeting different muscle groups and different areas such as increased balance and flexibility is different from 'just running and doing push-ups.' I don't know what kind of proof, you would be looking for, exactly...

How about a scientific study showing that p90x gives dramatically better results than any other exercise routine? Or at least most common exercises?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I would suppose that is your opinion. Some people do not have the discipline to motivate themselves to exercise and eat right enough to stay fit. That's just the reality of it.

Then why do it?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

And when you are looking for certain gains in your muscle structure, 'just running and doing push-ups' is not the end-all of exercise. When you go in the military, PT is called 'physical training' for a reason. And PT is not just kickball and laps around the pool.

Don't get the relevance of the PT thing.... but anyway....
Why would you want to build certain areas of your muscle structure?
What is the point?
To look coo?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I think it's clear, in this conversation, that exercise is not always just about getting healthy. This seems to be something that upsets you, and I suppose I can understand why, but just other types of physical training, the program does work.

So.... it works to help you do more training better?
So you're building up certain muscles to be able to use those muscles better in further muscle building exercises?
Awesome.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

So, again, I guess I'm still just kind of lost on what you're exactly arguing about.

I'm kind of lost as to why people are all for this but pretty much everybody was all over the other things posted by flanders telling him how scammy and bullshit it was.
Well, actually I'm not lost as to the reason.

P.S - It's marketing and bullshit pseudo-science talk.

Since I understand what it is you don't like about it (You apparently don't disagree that it works, you just have a problem with the fact that it's a marketed product), then I really see no reason to go back and forth with you about it. But I will say this:

Originally Posted by tommo

The point was I said those three exercises are the best ones.

No. You said that they were 'the only good ones'.

You don't need any "scientific proof" if you have knowledge how body works. I still would like to see the whole routine so I could give it good overall score.

You say running is one of the best workout? I don't agree or then we have to at least define for what exactly? Yes, it is good overall, it increases your oxygen absorbsion, lung capacity and endurance. But it is only for legs. Even if you are marathoner, you cannot keep up that good if you have to ie. wrestle, do circuit training, lift weights. You need to compensate with muscle workout and cardio that uses the whole body, if you really want to get evenly trained body. Swimming is pretty good as side training. It utilizes more the whole body.

But if you only train for endurance ie. long distance running then you lack of other areas. Strength, speed,

Do any exercise enough and you will build the same amount of muscle as any other exercise. As long as you're talking about all anaerobic exercises.

Really? Are you saying that by doing situps you can get the same effect on your abs as doing twisters on a chin up bar as long as you do those situps enough or am I understanding something wrong? Obviously there are very good movements and not so good movements. The more dynamic and challenging the exercise is the more results you will eventually get. Granted, you have to work harder, but that is why you train. Human body has limits and needs to rest and that is why those who seek to become really strong
develop routines and moves that grant most result and to the many areas as well.

My problem with this is that I have hard time to see these things from point of normal, not so active person. Running, swimming, badminton, heck almost everything is good to keep you healthy and in some shape, but if you want to talk about how athletes do then it is pretty different.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

No. You said that they were 'the only good ones'.

Well, "good" was referring to making you healthier etc.

Originally Posted by Unelias

You don't need any "scientific proof" if you have knowledge how body works.

I agree. We used to know that the brain pumped blood around the body, until William Harvery came in with all that pesky scientific stuff.

I bought the P90X with my own money, it's worth it. Since i've started following the nutrition a little bit more i've lost 10 pounds, and now things that i struggled with are becoming much easier to lift. My plan is to perhaps look like Tony Horton one day.

My point is Tommo that when you seem to encounter something you are very adamant against personally you are always asking for scienitific proof. It is a good thing in general, since science has its qualities, but in this case it is totally absurd. It was not an insult against you, just to show how science won't be a card here at this thread.