Thread: I Need to Stop

First you get over the gross factor, then you related it with pleasure, and then it becomes attractive.

There is no hereditary reason why some people would find gay porn gross. Thats like saying people don't like broccoli because of hereditary reasons. Obviously its mostly environmental, not because your dna says broccoli is bad. Which is why people grow to like it once they get a chance and taste it.

In fact, I am pretty sure most people would enjoy gay sex if they gave it a chance and did it often enough. There really is no reason a person wouldn't enjoy, except for social and environmental reasons.

I missed the part where this is a problem? When I was 16 I masturbated like 50 times a day. (Give or take... ) If you think not masturbating is going to keep you from having sex on your mind all the time... WOW are you wrong.

Originally Posted by Alric

First you get over the gross factor, then you related it with pleasure, and then it becomes attractive.

There is no hereditary reason why some people would find gay porn gross. Thats like saying people don't like broccoli because of hereditary reasons. Obviously its mostly environmental, not because your dna says broccoli is bad. Which is why people grow to like it once they get a chance and taste it.

In fact, I am pretty sure most people would enjoy gay sex if they gave it a chance and did it often enough. There really is no reason a person wouldn't enjoy, except for social and environmental reasons.

I honestly hadn't really thought about it like that before. If that is the case though, wouldn't that mean that gays and lesbians could easily become 'straight' simply by giving straight sex a chance? Not to say I know this for sure, but it seems like there are a lot of gays and lesbians that wish they could be straight, but simply can't, because that's the way they are.

Originally Posted by DuB

I missed the part where this is a problem? When I was 16 I masturbated like 50 times a day. (Give or take... ) If you think not masturbating is going to keep you from having sex on your mind all the time... WOW are you wrong.

Haha, you could be right about that. Even so, I really hate not having complete control over my body in all aspects. The fact that this is so hard for me to stop doing is almost why I'm trying to stop it, if that makes sense.

Well, one of the reasons, anyway.

Originally Posted by Plorp

Also, what foods boost your testosterone levels?

I'm not really sure, I've been eating a lot of liver lately too raise my testosterone, but for muscle growth. Disadvantage are things like acne, though I have that under control. All in all I think it's better to keep it low.

A quick google gave me this: http://www.libido-increasing-food.com/
Just do the opposite of what they say (except the fast food stuff). Might want to search around more though.

By the way, apparently it is possible to train yourself to like the opposite sex but it's very hard and doesn't last long. I found this article a while back, (http://www.damninteresting.com/techn...of-happiness):

Along with electrodes, Heath’s team would sometimes implant a tube called a canula which could deliver precise doses of chemicals directly into the brain. When researchers injected the neurotransmitter acetylcholine into a patient’s septal area, “vigorous activity” showed up on the EEG, and the patient usually described intense pleasure, including multiple orgasms lasting as long as thirty minutes.

In another controversial experiment in 1972, Dr. Heath wired up a homosexual man’s pleasure centers in order to help him “cure” his homosexuality. During the initial three-hour session, subject “B-19″ stimulated himself some 1,500 times. Dr. Heath wrote of the experiment, “During these sessions, B-19 stimulated himself to a point that he was experiencing an almost overwhelming euphoria and elation, and had to be disconnected, despite his vigorous protests.” Since unnatural methods can bring about unnatural results, energizing the man’s electrodes as he looked at erotic pictures of women temporarily “cured” him of his homosexuality, but once the electrodes were removed, he went back to normal.

I guess you might as well take oestrogen injections though if you wanna change your orientation big-time.

I don't think there's a big danger of going gay though or vice-versa.

Originally Posted by Alric

First you get over the gross factor, then you related it with pleasure, and then it becomes attractive.

There is no hereditary reason why some people would find gay porn gross. Thats like saying people don't like broccoli because of hereditary reasons. Obviously its mostly environmental, not because your dna says broccoli is bad. Which is why people grow to like it once they get a chance and taste it.

In fact, I am pretty sure most people would enjoy gay sex if they gave it a chance and did it often enough. There really is no reason a person wouldn't enjoy, except for social and environmental reasons.

It does actually have a very strong genetic weighting. I would say that sexual attraction is for the most part hormonal, and your natural hormones levels are defined by your genes. That's not saying that something could change throughout your life. I know quite a few gay people actually and they mostly (not all) have relatively higher voices, for instance. It's all linked.

Originally Posted by DuB

When I was 16 I masturbated like 50 times a day. (Give or take... )

Holy crap man. I agree with you though; masturbation normally takes away sexual tension. I think it levels off though depending on your habits.

Originally Posted by Paraknight

I'm not really sure, I've been eating a lot of liver lately too raise my testosterone, but for muscle growth. Disadvantage are things like acne, though I have that under control. All in all I think it's better to keep it low.

A quick google gave me this: http://www.libido-increasing-food.com/
Just do the opposite of what they say (except the fast food stuff). Might want to search around more though.

By the way, apparently it is possible to train yourself to like the opposite sex but it's very hard and doesn't last long. I found this article a while back, (http://www.damninteresting.com/techn...of-happiness):

So pretty much eat a ton of crappy food and I'll be good? lol

And that article is really interesting (damn interesting, even ). I wasn't aware such technology existed. Crazy to think what would happen if it was turned into consumer technology (or at least if it became accessible to the general public).

Originally Posted by Plorp

So pretty much eat a ton of crappy food and I'll be good? lol

And that article is really interesting (damn interesting, even ). I wasn't aware such technology existed. Crazy to think what would happen if it was turned into consumer technology (or at least if it became accessible to the general public).

Well that site is aimed at increasing your levels so I guess it makes the opposite seem bad. I guess chicken and beef are the big ones. And eggs, broccoli, cabbage and garlic follow. If you don't eat like a body builder would then I guess you could still keep your testosterone down without damaging your body majorly if you stay within that narrow margin.

Haha, you could be right about that. Even so, I really hate not having complete control over my body in all aspects. The fact that this is so hard for me to stop doing is almost why I'm trying to stop it, if that makes sense.

That looks like the problem to me~
Now I'm no expert, but that could be described as a power trip taken out on yourself.
As DuB said, where's the problem?
I suppose I'm addicted too, or am I? Honestly I don't know, I haven't thought about it that way.
The only problem I see is that when the family is home, it's pretty uncomfortable to get aroused because there's nothing to do about it (without being super stealthy and silent) ._ .

Originally Posted by Maeni

The only problem I see is that when the family is home, it's pretty uncomfortable to get aroused because there's nothing to do about it (without being super stealthy and silent) ._ .

PROTIP: Lock the door.
If no lock, tell everyone you're masturbating, they will not come in.

It's taboo.

Both options make it obvious what's happening, which is not supposed to happen. It's an unstated law that everyone shall at all times pretend that nobody ever, ever masturbates, unless caught in the act, in which case he has commited an abomination, and shall surely be put to death.

No, seriously, it is. And even if I had a lock, the walls are pretty listenthroughable

But that's not really a problem is it? I just know that if I lived alone, I'd be masturbating at least 50 times a day :V

Sure a gay person could become attracted to the opposite sex, if they tried straight sex often enough.

Really I think that gay being genetic is kind of a silly idea. Since a family line couldn't survive long periods of time with the gay gene, since most of the family would be gay and they would have less children than normal.

Really I think it is pretty simple. Sex just feels good. If you give something a chance, its going to start feeling good. Not to be vulgar but if a guy gives you a blowjob, it feels the same as a woman giving you a blowjob, except a man probably is better at it, because he knows what feels good. There is no genetic switch that suddenly makes you dislike blowjobs because a man is doing it. Genetically, its impossible to tell the different.

Going on the assumption that you will probably going enjoy sex with either gender as long as you give it a chance, it is easy to see that the main factor is mental and social not genetic.

Getting somewhat off-topic, but considering that most angles have been taken in regards to the OP...

@Alric
I was discussing the turning points of sexuality with Sandform a couple of days ago, there seems to be definite key elements in the circumstances of both of our lives and our perspectives when we were younger, that I think certainly point to a mental shift in interest and attraction.

As for the whole 'watching x porn makes you attracted to x porn', I would assume there's a possibility (with certain factors involved), though it seems as if in this thread it has been taken to the point of being a reason to dissuade against doing so. I do think it's far-fetched to try and resolve the urge to masturbate by viewing porn that may turn you off because of social stigmas, but I also think that it's quite politically incorrect to be casually con-notating any reasonable sexual activities or deviancies and furthering those stigmas.
SUM.: Some of what has been said has been quite matter-of-fact when it is more subjective, and it seems to have touched on homophobia too much.
eg. "Danger of going gay".

Basically, I think sexuality is nothing different from can be likened to favouring certain foods...and I've been argued against on that extensively in the past at DV.

Originally Posted by Alric

Sure a gay person could become attracted to the opposite sex, if they tried straight sex often enough.

Really I think that gay being genetic is kind of a silly idea. Since a family line couldn't survive long periods of time with the gay gene, since most of the family would be gay and they would have less children than normal.

Really I think it is pretty simple. Sex just feels good. If you give something a chance, its going to start feeling good. Not to be vulgar but if a guy gives you a blowjob, it feels the same as a woman giving you a blowjob, except a man probably is better at it, because he knows what feels good. There is no genetic switch that suddenly makes you dislike blowjobs because a man is doing it. Genetically, its impossible to tell the different.

Going on the assumption that you will probably going enjoy sex with either gender as long as you give it a chance, it is easy to see that the main factor is mental and social not genetic.

I personally think both genes and environment have significant influence, but let's not go into that too much. I know people who are perfectly masculine but are still gay. And my high-school biology teacher (who is coincidentally gay) made a point in explaining the nature of homosexuality. I must admit it was an awkward conversation at times.


And, ClouD, sorry if I said anything. I deliberately added "or vice-versa" at the end of it earlier since it really does seem like people do not want to change orientation. Maybe it's the social implications maybe otherwise, I don't know. I personally have nothing against homo-, bi-, trans-, whatever and I think that people should be able to pursue whatever kinds of relationship they want so no sweat!

I'll continue the off topic-ness for giggles.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Basically, I think sexuality is nothing different from can be likened to favouring certain foods...and I've been argued against on that extensively in the past at DV.

But that's still quite the same too. You might come to like a certain food that you didn't like before by "training" yourself to like it.

I don't believe you can do that. I mean yes, you can probably do that. But it's also possibly to train yourself to completely ignore pain, and then proceed to burn yourself to death without moving a muscle. Both very useful skills.
And pretty hard to optain, without religious dedication.

Originally Posted by Maeni

But it's also possibly to train yourself to completely ignore pain, and then proceed to burn yourself to death without moving a muscle.

That reminds me of the kick-boxers down at the local taekwondo dojo. The thought they were so awesome for getting those injections that kills all feeling in their legs for a few months or something, when one guy screws up his legs completely while sparring and was freaked out because he didn't notice.

Ok now I'm waaay .

God damnit you quoted my wording-fuckup!
Then, if I may ask, what's the word you actually use, when saying that?

"without even ____"

But yeah. I think if you do mess with stuff like that, which foods you favor or your sexuality, some shits going to be problematic. I dunno what, but something.

And again there's the whole deal with those homosexuals. All those who tried to cure themselves, to turn normal and all that.
It didn't really work did it...

Piorp I had the same problem. I swear my shit got desensitized. Then I stopped for like a week and some days. Then I would just watch girls on porn sites without masturbating at all. Just watching. It's pretty interesting when you do this. It's like teasing yourself, then when you go to masturbate or have sex again, the climax or whatever is much powerful.

Subtle.

Same thing with everything else, just be subtle. Too much of anything and it loses it's specialness.

Maybe "without even flinchng"? I'm not sure. Changed it anyway.

I think there's no point in trying to change orientation. If you just accept it and move on you'll have less of a hard time.

Originally Posted by Majestic

Same thing with everything else, just be subtle. Too much of anything and it loses it's specialness.

Maybe that's the key? Just jerk off so often that it loses significance?

Oh yes, flinching. Thanks a lot Or "wince" perhaps?

And I agree fully.

Originally Posted by Paraknight

I think there's no point in trying to change orientation. If you just accept it and move on you'll have less of a hard time.

easy for a straight person to say? :/

It's just easier to accept it than walk around fighting all the time.
That's not saying that accepting it is actually easy.

Originally Posted by Maeni

It's just easier to accept it than walk around fighting all the time.
That's not saying that accepting it is actually easy.

^Exactly that.

And if you don't go living in Iran or something, I guess you can still live a perfectly good life. It's unfortunate though that some people make such a big deal of orientation.

Agreed again, even though I think "some people" is a bit of an underestimation. And it's not just orientation, but everything concerning sex.

It's sad
And incredibly off topic :]

Originally Posted by Maeni

And incredibly off topic :]

lol, it's all good. Especially considering I agree with you

On a more on topic note, 3rd day without masturbating and I'm going good so far.

Whatever you do, don't think about how especially awesome masturbating is going to feel after a 3 day break.