"Lucid Dreaming is bad for you"

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I love lucid dreaming, I know a great deal about being lucid and dreaming in general.

But every time i bring up dreaming with my girlfriend and i start telling stories of when i go lucid she gets all weird.
The truth is she thinks that lucid dreaming is bad for you and that being in control of something when you are supposed to be getting rest is harmful to.. something, i guess.. She dosent have a logical answer.
And she refuses to believe anything i say to her.
She wont look it up for herself, and she wont listen to what i have to say about it.
It's like she tries to make me feel guilty for doing something bad. So im definitely done trying to convince her.
She is super close minded and wont think for herself.

It's crazy, how i cant make her understand how such an unbelievably amazing thing is even possible. I get so excited telling my LD's.

I posted this cause im just annoyed from it all.

What do you think. Is lucid dreaming bad for you?

HELL NO! some people lucid dream naturally, are they living an unhealthy lives? of course not! unless you use LDing as a escape from reality...... then you might have problems to sought out

when ever i tell people about LDing, they think i am weird, lol

bad for you??? heck no!

seriously! it is annoying isn't it? some people are just morons. they have the most amazing thing ever and they refuse to even look into it... :whyohwhy: I have a similar problem, my friend refuses to hear anything i have to say about lucid dreaming because he thinks it's gay and girly.

ah well, these idiots that think it's wrong to lucid dream just don't know what they're missing. their loss.

i think its pretty clear that you area actually getting far better rest while lucid dreaming. i know i feel amazing and well rested when i wake up after a good dream. i think other people are just upset that they have pretty much lost their connection to their subconscious, so they are pretty much slaves to their subconscious without knowing it. sleep is exercise for the soul as well as rest for the body and mind. if you dont dream then you have no way of letting your mind work out the problems and issues of the day without the interference of waking life

funny how those who say it is bad for you are the ones who have never experienced it. a lot like psychadelic herbs i suppose

My Mommy's the same way. "You shouldn't control a dream when you need to sleep. You're trying to control too much." She thinks I have problems with my mind because I like to explore the mental side of things. A lot.

Oh, another thread like this? I have one thing to say.

99.9% of people have probably had a lucid dream before, they just can't remember it. Saying that, no, it's not harmful. She's simply been misinformed.

You're still getting REM rest, and sleep itself, but your brain is aware. What's so wrong with that?

Lucid dreams are good for you if anything! They're great for rehearsing presentations and speeches you may have at school/college/work, a slighty boring way to use being lucid, but helpful none the less!

I have a similar problem. My fiancee just doesn't care about dreaming. No matter how excited I get, she doesn't ever really want to try. I've convinced her to give it a try several times throughout the years, but it doesn't ever interest her. I guess different things interest different people.

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I have a similar problem. My fiancee just doesn't care about dreaming. No matter how excited I get, she doesn't ever really want to try. I've convinced her to give it a try several times throughout the years, but it doesn't ever interest her. I guess different things interest different people.

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My mother was interested (remember she joined a few weeks back) but hasn't gotten into it at all. :P

The best (and only...) thing you can do about this, is just not talking about it, keeping your experiences for yourself (and sharing them with people that can understand and appreciate them).
Some people are just not able to understand; their "map of the world" just has no room for this.

I haven't told anyone about my lucid dreaming for these exact reasons :( It's something I like to keep personal. At first I thought that maybe i'm being selfish, keeping something this big to myself. But then again, i'm very open-minded and some people just aren't. I remember explaining a dream (was lucid but he didn't know that) to a friend and he said "you make it sound like you actually done that." I thought "hmm... well maybe I did haha".

I just can't imagine why people wouldn't think of it as an amazing oppurtunity. As soon as I learned about it, I got SO excited. For ages i thought I would have to just get my adventures with books and movies, and realising that I could actually experience these things was... I can't explain it.

So suddenly when people are saying that it's not good for you... It makes me sad that they can't see it as something to take advantage of.

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Originally Posted by Grigorios

The best (and only...) thing you can do about this, is just not talking about it, keeping your experiences for yourself (and sharing them with people that can understand and appreciate them).
Some people are just not able to understand; their "map of the world" just has no room for this.

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I would have to disagree. That depends entirely on how you are as a person, and how much you care. I love to tell people about my experiences with Lucid Dreaming, and I don't give a rats ass if they think I'm weird or if they laugh at me. Their loss! I have told all my friends, family and all co-workers, and no one has been interested, but if I do find someone who would, that would be priceless! Having a real life friend to share your goals, achievements and experiences with.

Tbh, I know people are jealous of me because of what I experience when I'm asleep, they're just afraid of showing it. Afraid of being different...

Thank god, im not the only one haha.

Last time we did talk about LDing, and got into an argument. She told me how she was going to a Church study about dreaming.

I thought "O yeah THAT is where you are going to get the most information from".
A church bible study..

She wont believe me, she wont look it up for herself.
Apparently only someone who believes in God can tell her how to think.
Sad..

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Originally Posted by whiterain

funny how those who say it is bad for you are the ones who have never experienced it. a lot like psychadelic herbs i suppose

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This discussion right here, is why she rejects every informative thing i have to say.
She is seriously so closed to this. I dont even want to get into it.
Maybe a post for Grasscity haha

Hmmm.... Maybe she's scared. Thinks it's some kind of demon realm or something that you're getting sucked into when you sleep :holyshit:

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She wont believe me, she wont look it up for herself.
Apparently only someone who believes in God can tell her how to think.
Sad..

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Sad, but so common. Many people just don't want to think using their own head. They need some kind of "authority" to tell them what and how to think.
It's a matter of close-mindedness.

well, i don't understand why someone would just say it's occult-related and slam their mental doors. I'm a Christian and i LOVE LDing. i mean, everybody has normal dreams, what's so different about knowing it's a dream? some people are so stupid. i can see not being interested in it, but thinking it's unhealthy or related to the occult is just stupidity... *shakes head*

Well as I like to say, its all in the mind.

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Originally Posted by Wristblade56

well, i don't understand why someone would just say it's occult-related and slam their mental doors. I'm a Christian and i LOVE LDing. i mean, everybody has normal dreams, what's so different about knowing it's a dream? some people are so stupid. i can see not being interested in it, but thinking it's unhealthy or related to the occult is just stupidity... *shakes head*

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well it is occult but all that means is that it is hidden to most people. the word occult has developed a lot of negative stigma, but the only difference between people who use it for neutral and positive purposes like ld'ing and people who use it to become black magicians is the intent behind it

People are ignorant.

What pisses me off even more than people who think it is bad is people who think it isnt real. Who say that I just make up everything about knowing im dreaming.

easy way to prove the people wrong that say when you lucid dream your losing sleep. it has been scientifically proven that when we dream the our brain activity is the same as when we are awake. so realizing your dreaming is no different than regular dreaming.

ignorance towards lucid dreaming makes me RAGE!

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Originally Posted by JamesLD

easy way to prove the people wrong that say when you lucid dream your losing sleep. it has been scientifically proven that when we dream the our brain activity is the same as when we are awake. so realizing your dreaming is no different than regular dreaming.

ignorance towards lucid dreaming makes me RAGE!

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Not a good argument.

Brain activity during sleep is drastically different from waking brain activity, and lucid dreaming creates atypical brain frequencies that aren't found in any other state of consciousness. Also, there are those, myself included, that sometimes feel drained after an intense night of LDing, as hard as that is for some to believe.

I'll post sources later, if you want them/don't want to take my word for it.

Is lucid dreaming bad for you?!

IT IS NOT!!!
:mad::pissed::furious::listenup::madtongue::bang:

Nah it's not.

I have to agree with Mzzkc, but I haven't had more than three lucids in a night, and that didn't make me tired at all the day after, just the opposite. But that is all in my head. It's all about attitude when you wake up, and getting a few lucids one night is definitely worth the sleep loss. I wouldn't want lucid each night, and perhaps not more than 3 dreams aswell in the middle of the week. If you go to bed a little bit earlier than usual, you won't have a problem at all.

Alot of dreaming makes me more tired, but also happier, beating the crap out of that tiredness :D

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Originally Posted by Cmndr

I think lucid dreamers are like heroine addicts desperately trying to escape the hardships of the real world. the fact is, that lucid dreaming can bring about mental instabilities such as addiction. to say your not addicted or cant be addicted only proves that i am in fact correct. further more, people who are already struggling with a mental illness of some sort can have and should expect intensified symptoms. no, i am not a shrink. i am not even a doctor. i have one quarter of psyche 101 under my belt. however, i get my information from actual doctors who have researched the matter intensely and are experts in their field. i choose not to get everything i see from google and wiki and i most certainly do NOT blatantly swallow everything someone tells me to be true simply because it sounds cool or because someone once did it in a movie.(inception) i think for the sake of the mental stability of the masses, we should all just calm down and wait for more research and empirical evidence or at least read what is already out there before jumping into something as serious as this. and if you think that the masses in themselves are not ignorant, look at all the people who killed themselves after watching the movie 'avatar'. they killed themselves simply because they thought that they would never again be happy or one with the earth. the influence 'lucid dreamers' actually have over everyone else is mind boggling. mainly because 90% of you who do LD are doing it now because of the movie inception. i am not saying that LDing is dangerous, but it most definately is not safe either. especially when you LD without a doctor in psychology being present. ignorance is bliss and most of the information claiming that LDing is 100% safe comes from people who LD. the equivalent would be a heroine addict saying that using is 100% safe because it feels REEAAALLLLY GOOOOOD. if you are not a doctor, do not make claims you are unable to back without EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. that is all.

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Wow, I'd really like to know what research document you drew your statistics from.

90% of everyone who's LDing these days? Gosh that's a lot.

LOL mzzkc I dont see where you got that quote from but reading it made me laugh so much. LDing not being safe? All young children up to about the age of six from what I understand have lucid dreams quite often. Saying that LDing is addictive is like saying that reading a book is addictive. Oh and then saying I dont just swallow everything tells me about something. when before it I havent actually studdied it but Ive got from other people! Haha. Oh and 90% of LDers do it cuz of inception. Lets go through and check the joined date of all the members here I guarentee that less than 35% will be after the release of inception. (not me but I have never seeen it anyways and I have been LDing long before finding this site).

I dont see how a naturally occuring phenomonon within a human mind can be bad....

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Originally Posted by Waterknight

LOL mzzkc I dont see where you got that quote from but reading it made me laugh so much. LDing not being safe? All young children up to about the age of six from what I understand have lucid dreams quite often. Saying that LDing is addictive is like saying that reading a book is addictive. Oh and then saying I dont just swallow everything tells me about something. when before it I havent actually studdied it but Ive got from other people! Haha. Oh and 90% of LDers do it cuz of inception. Lets go through and check the joined date of all the members here I guarentee that less than 35% will be after the release of inception. (not me but I have never seeen it anyways and I have been LDing long before finding this site).

I dont see how a naturally occuring phenomonon within a human mind can be bad....

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this is what i say to the guy who wrote Mzzck's quote: :blahblahblah:. you are 100% absolutely no doubt about it correct about that WaterKnight. it's hilarious that they would say that they were wrong... what a moron lol.

Im not saying there are absolutely no bad parts of it just they are insignificant if you are a person of sound mind.

I think it's like with anything else, to much, or using it as a way of escaping from your physical life is/could be bad for you (there are exceptions of course).

Some people, scientist people, believe dreaming is a way for your sub-concious mind to deal with things or emotional events that happen when you're awake.
The mind makes dreams based upon what problems it needs to deal with.
According to this, I would think that braking free of the natural path or dream, is like robbing your mind of the tool it needs to stay healthy.
So in theory, doing it to much/robbing yourself of natural dreams, could harm your mind and be damaging to your mental health.

When talking about Dreaming, you can't draw any conclusions. The topic itself is widely disucussed and debated when it come to why we dream, what dreams are, are we humans the only ones that dream ect.
Personally, I believe that keeping your mind open is very important. There are a lot of things we don't know or understand.. or rather, extremly few things we actually do understand.
There's a difference between having your own oppinion and being completely arrogant.

well you could be right about it possibly being bad but there are people who lucid dreams are "regular dreams" they never dream without being aware that its a dream yet they are perfectly normal in waking life. Is that unhealthy for them?

Well, I'll admit that the line between dream and reality has gotten a little blurred from time to time for me, but I think I just read too much Descartes. Generally, I just follow the rules (or lack thereof) of wherever I am and go with it, as both dream and reality are enjoyable. That said, I know all the usual religious arguments. I think my mother's favorite is to be careful, because this leaves you wide open for demon possession. But by her logic so does D&D, yoga, herbal medicine, and philosophical study. I should be a demonic tenement by now. :banana:

You know, just repeating that made me feel my IQ drop a bit... ouchie. No, I don't think it's dangerous until you decide that this reality is false and pull a Mal Cobb. If you hit that point, though, you had problems that had nothing to do with dreaming.

Now what are those religious arguments? I havent heard of them really. One of my friends said he thought LDing was evil but then i explained it to him and he was like oh i was thinking of astral projection

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Originally Posted by RealShift

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Some people, scientist people, believe dreaming is a way for your sub-concious mind to deal with things or emotional events that happen when you're awake.
The mind makes dreams based upon what problems it needs to deal with.
According to this, I would think that braking free of the natural path or dream, is like robbing your mind of the tool it needs to stay healthy.
So in theory, doing it to much/robbing yourself of natural dreams, could harm your mind and be damaging to your mental health.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. Non-lucid dreams are simply dreams in which you are unaware of the reality of your environment. Your mind doesn't intentionally keep you unaware of the fact that you're dreaming; I believe that your waking state of being unaware is what causes this. If you don't agree with me, then try being more aware in your life, and tell me how that affects the awareness in your dreams. Better yet, think of reality checks: their sole purpose is to easily make us aware of our dream environment (given this is by chance, but there's nothing saying that we couldn't be more aware of our environment aside from just reality checking every now and then). Also, if it was necessary that we are unaware in our dreams, then I don't believe it would be possible to raise our awareness inside of a dream in the first place.
Now, it's true that some scientists claim that being unaware in dreams is what keeps our mind organized, but that's just a theory. To be fair, I haven't looked into that possibility much, but I've given some good counter-arguments that suggest otherwise.

Does anybody here know of anyone in person who has had control over most of their dreams since they were born? I'd put money that they're just as sane and mentally sound as the rest of us. In fact, I'd put money that some of those people are registered on this very forum.

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Originally Posted by Cmndr

if you are not a doctor, do not make claims you are unable to back without EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

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I'm gonna write this real big, cause it's important, mmkay?

notice how he just refuted his ENTIRE argument

EOS :)

I'm half tempted to ask where that utter debauchery took place so I can flame the living hell out of it. However, no matter how satisfying it may seem on the surface, I would really only be wasting my time.

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Originally Posted by MindGames

In fact, I'd put money that some of those people are registered on this very forum.

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As a matter of fact, they are.

Don't yell at me if I am wrong but I think I have heard that we get most of our rest during deep sleep and not during REM? If that is the case then even if being lucid did effect your rest in REM it wouldn't even make much of a diffence anyways. If its not deep sleep then what part of sleep do we get the most rest. I can't quite remember and don't have the time to look it up now.

I lucid dream once a week, that's enough to make me the crazy person I am. Ask anyone who knows me. I blame it on the dreams :D