About the 'subconscious'

**d00d** · 08-08-2017 10:40 AM

I'm still not entirely on the clear about all the 'conscious' parts, however it just hit after the dream I had today where I wasn't recognizing that the dream was a dream. In fact I was eating gooseberries from a tree (whatever that means) and was trying to satisfy my hunger with that. So here's the kicker then - they say that the subconscious, also, is not able to differentiate between dream and reality. So it would be logical to say that, whenever I am not recognizing that the dream is a dream, that I am my subconscious? Or operating subconsciously, so to say.

So that leaves the question of who is orchestrating the dream? Can it really be the subconscious itself? The subconscious seems to be the lowest, most unintelligent part of myself, really. But sometimes yes, I act with guidence and determination usually not found in my conscious self.

Surely, it's not impossible that the subconscious has me completely trapped, both in providing who I am in the dream and orchestrating the dream as well.

**d00d** · 08-08-2017 01:24 PM

Actually no. I know from other dreams that "The Orchcestrator" knows very well the difference between the dream and the reality. So in effect "he" must be playing both the conscious and subconscious minds.

**dolphin** · 08-09-2017 03:08 AM

The dreamer is a sum of their conscious and unconscious self. If the dreamer is conscious during the dream, then the dreamer's conscious self is present during the dream. If there is no conscious self present during the dream, then the dreamer unconscious and not able to consciously perceive anything. So, I do not find it logical to say that there is no conscious self of the dreamer present whenever the dreamer isn't lucid.

From what I understand, the dream is what the dreamer makes of it, so the dreamer's perception is the orchestrator of the dream. Perception is both subconscious and conscious, so I agree it is playing both the conscious and subconscious minds in the dream.

However, I disagree that the "orchestrator" always knows very well the difference between dream and reality. Sometimes the dreamer, without being lucid, reacts to the situation of the dream exactly as they would if it were in waking life. This does not show any evidence of the dreamer subconsciously knowing very well that it is a dream.

**d00d** · 08-14-2017 09:50 PM

I agree that the subconscious does not know the difference between dream and reality. Thus, "the orchestrator", or I should maybe call him the Director, does. So "he" is above both the conscious (which is perhaps the least intelligent of the three) and subconscious mind.

So for instance, in this dream I had you have first of all the "observer" being my conscious mind (yet not being conscious that I am dreaming). Later the conscious mind merges with one of the characters, I would take it to mean that I merged with my subconscious as I received knowledge subconsciously. And then at the end, you have the third person.

http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-inte...lee-jones.html