hypnagogic imagery

Im still unsure if i can see hypnagogic imagery. I lied down in bed today at around 8:30 after i walked up and went outside in the cold and had breakfast and showered so i was fully awake. I started the method of staying completly still i did this till 9:45 exsactly. I felt my boddy getting heavier and heavier and i also felt my hands that were at my waist go inside my body. But i had no hypnagogic imagery what so ever. im kinda pissed about this because it sounds like i can enter a lucid dream through hypnagogic imagery. i know theres billions of techniques out there but i would like to try this one. Does anyone know what im doing wrong or not doing right?

how long are you sleeping for, and 8:30 sounds too late for WILD, the sun is distracting.

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Originally Posted by Pyrofan1

how long are you sleeping for, and 8:30 sounds too late for WILD, the sun is distracting.

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Im sleepingg about 6-7 hours a night. my room was completly black and light was a non factor(i think, i don't know if me knowing it's all bright outside sub-conciously has anything to do with it)

You need to be in a dark room 1st off. Next, when you wake up to try for a WILD, keep ur eyes still, but still look at the blurrs of color (I feel that when I do that, like have the blank stare at the colors, I start to forget everything around me, and feel as if Im shifting).

If you wna try for a WILD before bed, it probably won't work, but you can try for hypnagonia. What I do is simply let my mind wander, don't move a lot, and just think about stuff. DO NOT, DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT stop any thoughts coming into your mind, do not repress your subconsious mind and what it wants to think about. And most of all, dont over think anything, dont be waiting for something to happen, and don't think about what you're doing (Ff that makes any sense lol).

Oh, and another thing, dont move ur eyes in attempt to see anything. You'll start to see weird random stuff after a few min. of thinking, when u do, observe and recognize em. As you do this, you'll see, and HEAR, and possbily feel, more and more complex stuff, and it just gets plain weird. Good Luck :D

I've found that hypagnogic imagery, for me, has nothing to do with lucid dreams, meditations, how sleepy I am, or my mind state. It's just something I see at scarce random times when I close my eyes and get lucky. It most often works in a very dark room when I'm on my knees in a fetal position with my eyes on my hands. I have to keep my eyes looking at a very specific position. If I move them or blink, the images start to blur.

There are lots of people who don't actually see imagery. I see it ocasionally, but mainly I just hear noises/voices/music.

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Originally Posted by ThiefDeath

I've found that hypagnogic imagery, for me, has nothing to do with lucid dreams, meditations, how sleepy I am, or my mind state. It's just something I see at scarce random times when I close my eyes and get lucky. It most often works in a very dark room when I'm on my knees in a fetal position with my eyes on my hands. I have to keep my eyes looking at a very specific position. If I move them or blink, the images start to blur.

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I always see it, wherever my eyes are pointed. Although I can only see it clearly(ish) when it's dark, or when I close my eyes. It's an object which is always morphing. Most of the time it's a big mess, like objects from my imagination, but normal things also form. I disagree with your statement that it has nothing to do with hypnagogia, LDs, meditation, I believe that these things are connected. Why wouldn't they be?

Because I can be perfectly awake and about my normal business and close my eyes and there they'll be. Also, the normal fireworks and mess you see when you close your eyes don't count. It actually has to start forming coherent things - and you'll probably know when that happens.

Well the mess I was talking about is made of coherent things. It's up to a persons imagination to percieve what is given. Some people can't see faces, others see faces where they don't want to, whatever the situation it's all relative. Since this is my universe, everything perceive to be real is real. Even though what I said can also be attributed to the fireworks, I still see a morphing object.

When you go to sleep external and internal imput switch, so what you imagine and what your subconscious imagines (the same thing really) can actually be seen. That's where I think hypnagogic hallucinations are from. Whatever the time is or whatever you're doing doesn't change the fact that the images are from your brain. Yes, you can put a different name under this phenomenon, but I think that saying that it has nothing to do with LDing, HI, meditation (etc.) "is wrong". :P

Ok then here is a rephrase: Hypagnogic imagery does not require you to:
- be in a stage of sleep
- be relaxed
- be at a certain brainwave pattern
- meditate
- realize you are dreaming (since you are not)

My best experience with HI was last year after doing some meditation in my bed for about 10 minutes. I then timed myself to see how long I could hold my breath (over 1:30) and then lied down at a 45 degree angle against a bunch of blankets and pillows piled against the corner of my bed where it intersects with the corner of my room. I can't remember if I knew about LD at the time but I can tell you I was weirded out by HI! I was seeing polygonic shapes in strange rainbow colors it was amazing.

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how long are you sleeping for, and 8:30 sounds too late for WILD, the sun is distracting.

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I agree with this bit.

I've been sleeping from 5:30AM - 3:00PM the past few days (don't ask why). It hasn't interfered with my ability to dream at all. In fact, for some reason I seem to have alot more recallable and/or lucid dreams when I mess my sleep schedule up for some reason.

Times for sleeping should not affect lucid dreams at all realy, well if anything I have better lucid dreams when I have very light sleep, and sometimes this is better achieved in the mornings, and I would go as far to day most DILDs are in the morning.

Either way sounds to me like you are going about this in the wrong way - I will catch you on MSN shortly and offer some tips etc if this is the route you want to try, there are much better techniques and ways to do it, which you should find a lot easier. I have never had much luck with full on WBTB but will have a proper chat with you see which might work best :)

what excatly is hypagnogic imagery ?

Normal visual hallucinations common when falling asleep or waking up. The hallucinations don't have to be only visual, they can also be auditory and tactile... have you ever felt like floating above your bed or heard stuff when falling asleep? Well that's what it is.

Got to reading all of the posts hear and thanks for the tip. I thought I would reply with my attempt yesterday to balance my charkas and what I got was more then I bargained for. It was about 3:00pm when I decided to take a nap because I just went through hell taking down Xmas lights. As I said early I was doing an exercise to clear my charkas. I went through the process and was finished. I must also note that I was using earplugs for the 3rd time because I got them as a stocking stuffer for Xmas.

Well I just lied there and I thought to my self why not try for a wild. Then after about 5 minutes I heard 2 very loud very frightening thumps. I had ear plugs in and I have no clue what the hell these thumps were but they scared the living shit outta me. I did not break concentration though. After the 2 thumps came it was followed by giggling and laughter, I presume this is HI sounds.

This was my first experience with them and I was a bit on edge and also a bit nervous. The laughter stopped after a couple of seconds and music started to play and it was some pop song that I didn't really care for and it lasted for a couple seconds also. Then 3 very loud thumps came and my whole body vibrated. Right after that I felt my bed going back and fourth as if on a pendulum, then side to side. I then got the sensation of floating on water like my bed was at sea (I could only see complete darkness through this whole ordeal). I got up and did a reality check after the floating stopped but it failed and I just had a regular old nap.


Well I think the sounds were a definite step forward and the thumps were pretty sweet. Hopefully I find away how to harness this and use them for something better.