Thread: What drug is produced in the brain while we dream?

Originally Posted by Oros

I've heard that while we dream there is a drug that is produced in the brain that makes us dream. what drug is that?
And why do we forget our dreams? is the part of the brain that makes us remember things shut down?

Melatonin is a hormone responsible for making dreams, but I'm not sure if it's released when we sleep or not.
We forget our dreams because dreams are brought up in our subconscious and when we wake up our conscious comes to the front. But by remembering your dreams your able to recall more from your subconscious. Soo.. Basically when your awake your subconscious isn't important so it just gets thrown aside. At least that's the way I understand it.

Dmt

dmt is supposedly the cause for dreams, allthough not proven, it is off course most likely:

It is a known fact DMT is produced in the human brain and lungs and some other organs.
It is a known fact that inhaling pure, vaporised DMT causes one's spirit to be instantly detatched from one's body and be thrown into a dreamworld in which one meets other beings. DMT is the most immersive, visual psychedelic which' visions are as immersive and realistic as nighttime dreams.

What is known about the body's MAO-system when it is asleep?
Anyone?

Dimethyltryptamine or DMT is a psychedelic drug naturally produced in our brain, especially when we're dreaming or dying. (it's probably what causes the white bright light at the end of the tunnel and feeling of endless peace that we've heard of so many times) It's a very, very strong psychedelic and it's also chemically synthesized and used as a recreative drug.

I think that we usually forget our dreams as a part of our defensive mechanism, just like SP is there for the same reason. We forget them probably so we wouldn't confuse them with reality.

so it was DMT anyway
I wasn't sure if it was DMT but i thought so
But i still don't get the reason why we don't rember our dreams? When we get DMT in the brain, does it act like alcohol in the brain, which makes us forget most of what happend?
Thx for the help guys

Originally Posted by Oros

When we get DMT in the brain, does it act like alcohol in the brain, which makes us forget most of what happend?

No one can be 100% sure about why we forget the dreams, but DMT could very likely cause that. One of the symptoms you experience when taking DMT as a drug is lack of memory of experience, so why wouldn't that apply to our dreams too ?

No actually DMT is in most cases an experience that is well remembered and doesn't at all have any "downer" properties.

If one vaporises a high enough dose of DMT the experience is often such a rush and chaos that the experiencer finds it hard to recollect his/her experience in an organised way. Much like you remember having dreamt VERY vividly, but you cannot remember what. This I heard from a friend who has vaporised DMT a couple of times.

However taking smaller/normal dosages brings about an extremely lucid, visionairy state. Most DMT experiences, unless the dose vaporised was too high, are very well and clearly remembered.
Ayahuasca, which is a Brew made from plants containing DMT, combined with plants containing MAOI's (which make DMT orally active), brings a DMT experience far slower, more lucid and longer lasting than smoked, pure DMT. However this experience is also tainted by the psychological/visionairy effects that MAOI's alone are known to have.

Soon I will vaporise DMT so I'll be glad to share my experience with anyone interrested.
Then 'll have a better reference point.

Originally Posted by SKA

No actually DMT is in most cases an experience that is well remembered and doesn't at all have any "downer" properties.

Maybe it varies from person to person, maybe it's a matter of dosage or maybe I'm just misinformed.

Soon I will vaporise DMT so I'll be glad to share my experience with anyone interrested.
Then 'll have a better reference point

Yea, that would be a useful report

Thanks for the help guys.

Originally Posted by Oros

Thanks for the help guys.

Also try youtube = DMT... theres a great discussion about the effects of dreaming and DMT by UFC commentator Joe Rogan

Originally Posted by dreamR'

Also try youtube = DMT... theres a great discussion about the effects of dreaming and DMT by UFC commentator Joe Rogan

Definitely worth listening to...

haha DMT is more illegal than heroin yet it's made in all of our own brains.
Also babies whilst in the womb often get natural DMT trips, as do many people who believe they are about to die (a possible cause of near death experiences where many people look down upon their bodies, go into the light, etc.)

DMT is indeed one of the most (if not THE most) illegal substances on Earth. Funny thing is, it is naturally produced in our brains our entire lives, and there appears to be evidence that we have massive DMT trips every night when we dream. DMT is also believed to be released when a person is near death (which would explain the 'light at the end of the tunnel' phenomenon, OBEs, and spiritual awakening, as well as a host of other phsychedelic events).

However, when one smokes the DMT crystals that a very determined phsychedelic drug-user would extract from specific plant matter, it is a completely different experience. Many users describe the onset of the trip being very sudden, as if they were ripped from reality and blasted into an extreme tour of the universe. They describe very intense visual, auditory, and perceptual effects, as well as many other effects, which may include learning and speaking fluently completely alien languages, meeting sentient alien lifeforms, being overwhelmed by colors and shapes that should be impossible to form but somehow exist, among other things. It could almost be said that it's like traveling into a different dimention.

DMT is NOT a casual drug in any sense of the word. DMT is extremely hard if not impossible for many to come by (those seeking to use DMT in most cases will extract DMT on their own using chemistry methods), and is EXTREMELY illegal. DMT is not like peyote, DXM, mushrooms, or LSD. It is on a completly different plain. It is not for the inexperienced or those who even have the slightest doubt or worry. If you thought any of those drugs were 'hardcore', there simply wouldn't be any words to describe how powerful DMT is when smoked. DO NOT attempt to aquire and/or use DMT without being prepared. It WILL f*ck you up, regardless how ready you think you are.

That all being said, don't go do DMT or any drugs for that matter, I legally can't endorse them. However, I **personally** find great interest in 'mind expanding' drugs and substances. For those who would like some simple facts and such, you should check out www.Erowid.com. They have tons of information on pretty much every drug and substance as well as anything involving the mind.

That's all for now.


-Modj

Ah, some more interesting info. thx

I have a theory about why we have a hard time remembering dreams. It's simply this: Dreams become less important to us as we grow older. Many of us (especially those of us here at DV) still maintain an active interest in dreams, making us different, but for the average person, it's cool if they have a fun dream but it doesn't affect their life in any major way.

When we're kids, our experiences in the world are limited and finite. There are only so many intersting and fascinating things that happen. Dreams are a place where there are no limits and we are able to experience wild and fantastic things, and when we're young we have plenty of time to think on those things. They become pleasant memories that we take with us for a while.

As we grow older, though, we start taking on more responsibilities and experiencing more of the "real world" and what it's boundaries are. We have to start remembering things we learn in school, peoples' phone numbers, directions to important places, how to drive, how to fill out resumes and applications. With all of our "real world" responsibilities, dreaming gets put on the backburner as more of a past-time than a focal point. We don't remember things as well if they are not important to us.

When we start learning to lucid dream, one of the first things we do is start to write down our dreams. LDing is something that becomes important to us, and thus recalling out dreams becomes important. As time goes on, that idea of the importance of dreams becomes more apparent within our minds and our memory improves, at least during the time of day when we write down our dreams.

That's just my theory, coming from more of a psychological point of view.

Ame, you are SO dead accurate on that last post, its like as we get older our mind shifts focus to this lame ass 'real world' supposedly is more important than the dream world.

I believe the dreamworld connects us to another place, maybe a place we goto when we die perhaps, and to me its more important then my stupid bills and other nonsense obligations of 'real life'

Melatonin

Originally Posted by Modjulator

Many users describe the onset of the trip being very sudden, as if they were ripped from reality and blasted into an extreme tour of the universe. They describe very intense visual, auditory, and perceptual effects, as well as many other effects, which may include learning and speaking fluently completely alien languages, meeting sentient alien lifeforms, being overwhelmed by colors and shapes that should be impossible to form but somehow exist, among other things. It could almost be said that it's like traveling into a different dimention.

DMT is NOT a casual drug in any sense of the word. DMT is not like peyote, DXM, mushrooms, or LSD. It is on a completly different plain. It is not for the inexperienced or those who even have the slightest doubt or worry. If you thought any of those drugs were 'hardcore', there simply wouldn't be any words to describe how powerful DMT is when smoked. DO NOT attempt to aquire and/or use DMT without being prepared. It WILL f*ck you up, regardless how ready you think you are.

wow that sounds exactly like a Salvia Divinorum experience (a legal plant in most states) and they also warn people the same way before trying it, "you're never ready even if you've been using LSD and mushrooms your whole life"
Youtube has a lot of video's from teens who trick their friends into smoking this "legal high" and than start freaking out LOL
Maybe salvia releases DMT? The only thing scientists seem to know about it right now is that it seperates the opioid receptors instead of binding them like opium does

Okay well I don't mean to act like a know it all or something, but DMT is not proven to cause dreams or near-death experiences, this was just some of Terrence McKenna's ideas. All that is proven is that it is naturally produced in the human body. Also, DMT is not "more illegal" than heroin, as they are both Schedule I which is the most illegal something can be in the legal system.
@audio: DMT is alot like salvia, except it doesn't suck balls and feel so uncomfortable

i think the reason why we forget our dreams is physiological. Remember when you had a bad nightmare and woke up crying and mum came and calmed you down saying "it was only a dream, don't worry about it, just forget it" so then you got the idea that dreams are not important, so we don't need to remember them. I am not sure what drug causes dreams though

How nice of you to reply, but the thread is a little old ^^

Has anyone read the book, "DMT the spirit molecule" it is a very interesting book, highly recommended. The book is written by a scientist whose name I forgot, he does the experiment on two people and records their experience.

@elucid: His name is Rick Strassmen

that sounds like an awesome book, and I will get it.