Thread: The laws of the dream world

I guess we use this so we won't spam up your DJ.

Anyway you can die but your "spirit" can't leave the dream until woken. You need to fix that one.

Also I have something to add to it: You don't necessarily need to start with a body in a dream, and may be watching a movie with "gods" eyes.
and: You the camera man who never mess up and always rolling when watching a "movie".

Feel free to reword them also here more.

Freddy Kruger regardless of the movies, can not kill you in real life within dreams.

You are never you, you could be watching the dream but then a DC could become your body and you will take control.

There is not gravity, only a neutral force which keep you on the ground until you decide to fly.

You never question yourself why you in a place or why you doing something unless you become lucid. So basically you are carefree until lucid.

Things may work negativity but you can always overcome them by finding "secrets". EX: If you can't fly then go under a tree where the "pressure" is great then jump.

1. There are no laws.

Originally Posted by mrdeano

1. There is no laws.

QFT


We already have an on-going list of the same idea, of course.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=70086

If you like, I could merge them~

@Zelkova - I don't get the last one. the others are okay, but I changed them... a lot lol. and spirits are a little out there so im gonna change that too.

@mrdeano - you mean there are no laws... and I guess you could say that... If you really believe, maybe.

@no-name - I would, but its not the sort of stuff I'm looking for, I want a list that would be accurate with the majority of this community.

i think i would change it to rules and tips or something, because the word 'law' is to strong. well that's my opinion anyway.
Just if I could explain myself better! X(

[epicfail] dammit! I forgot you can't edit the main post after 24 hours! [/epicfail]
heres an updated list:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...9&postcount=53

This is stupid.

A lot of peoples lucid dreams end because of expectations from things like this. If you go around spouting these laws, some poor guy is going to believe them and then his LD wouldn't be as fun or fulfilling.

For example - 4. Excitement is the bane of all Dreams.

Yes sometimes getting too excited might wake you up, but this isn't the case most of the time. I can walk through my dream world, feel excitement and not wake up. By stating that law someone will think that all excitement is bad for you and will instantly wake up as soon as it happens.

16. Things are never where you left them. If you lose something, you will never find it again.

That's even more stupid than the last.
Now this person is going to bed thinking that if he left something somewhere he will never find it.
Which is not the case.. at all. Nothing tells you that you cannot find something in a dream.. only yourself.
and by writing that rule you are ruining a lot of peoples experiences.

ppffft I can't even explain it right. I suck at this.

All I know is, that I would like people to go to bed thinking there are no laws. Then they can do what the fuck they want. Without being tied down.

hey why don't you go and say shit about all of them, i know you want to... do that, help me fix the list, or go away.

otherwise a mod can delete it if it interferes with one's ability to dream that much. I regret nothing.

Originally Posted by mrdeano

This is stupid.

A lot of peoples lucid dreams end because of expectations from things like this. If you go around spouting these laws, some poor guy is going to believe them and then his LD wouldn't be as fun or fulfilling.

For example - 4. Excitement is the bane of all Dreams.

Yes sometimes getting too excited might wake you up, but this isn't the case most of the time. I can walk through my dream world, feel excitement and not wake up. By stating that law someone will think that all excitement is bad for you and will instantly wake up as soon as it happens.

16. Things are never where you left them. If you lose something, you will never find it again.

That's even more stupid than the last.
Now this person is going to bed thinking that if he left something somewhere he will never find it.
Which is not the case.. at all. Nothing tells you that you cannot find something in a dream.. only yourself.
and by writing that rule you are ruining a lot of peoples experiences.

ppffft I can't even explain it right. I suck at this.

All I know is, that I would like people to go to bed thinking there are no laws. Then they can do what the fuck they want. Without being tied down.

This.

At one point, there was a saying going around where people thought you couldn't fly without a cape. This is retarded.
A cape can be a mental crutch, to try and help with control, but it is in no way required.

Listen to Deano, he knows what he's talking about.

Wait.
Isn't the whole point of Lucid Dreaming to escape rules?
Why create rules for a new reality when rules aren't needed?

well, stalker man, I wanted to find what problems people have been encountering and find a solution. I get where no name and deano are coming from, because rumors about not being able to do something can cripple a persons confidence.

so maybe this should get deleted, because all these 'solutions' are just placebos which don't fix the real problem, which is not being able to believe in yourself.

Interesting list, I can safely say I've experienced all of those situations, which means they are at least common enough to suggest a pattern.

I suppose the argument against the analysis of dreams as having "rules" is that the rule is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yet an argument to that is if there are no rules or laws, then we can make up whatever rules or laws we want, because there are no absolute laws binding us against it.

Originally Posted by Desert Claw

The List

1. If you think you can't do it, it's impossible.
   1.1 If you don't think your brain has enough 'processing power' to create something, you can't.
2. Consider that you are an emulation of yourself, one that cannot die. there is only the illusion of life and death. nothing can kill you.
   2.1 Nothing can kill you in real life through your dreams - including Freddy Kruger.
   2.2 Dream Characters might seem mortal, but were never living to begin with.
3. You are not you, unless you think you are. otherwise you are nobody - meaning you can also be a spectator.
4. The laws of physics don't apply.
   5.1 There is no gravity, just the emulation of gravity. flying is the true mode of transport.
5. Everything has a back story.
   6.1 For example, meeting together at a disabled convention is not weird because you lost your arm yesterday in an accident with a blender or something.
6. You cannot wake up with anything.
   12.1 Police are just DC's with guns. whats a few bullets in the head gonna do?
   12.2 There is no such thing as morality. you see an awesome car, steal it! Don't feel obliged to do anything. just don't.
7. What is and isn't socially acceptable is very different.
   13.2 Running down a busy road completely naked is fine.
8. Trying not to think about something still counts as thinking about them... you idiot.
9. Don't go around telling friends they are dreaming so you can have fun together, because they are probably just DCs.
   

Fix't.

Some of those laws you posted are just misconceptions, what I've left behind are the ones that matter due to the belief systems that govern dreams.

The most important ones are obviously

If you think you can't do it, it's impossible.
Trying not to think about something still counts as thinking about them... you idiot.

Non-previously mentioned rule in my dreams is that:
When there is trouble, it is BIG trouble.
For example I have a friend that is a small klepto (frequently steals small stuff like my new ink pen, cig lighter, entire pack of coffee filters or full pack of gum) and I am always dreaming that she is sentenced to a ridiculous amount of time in prison for insignificant thefts....hmmm, maybe this is wishful, lucid dreaming?

I'd like to add one:

The things that do not scare you in waking life, in dreams can be terrifying.

Example: I actually like snakes and spiders, and have no fear in handling them in real life. Yet in a dream, for some reason they are menacing and frightening.