Ever read "The Lucid Dreamer" by Malcom Godwin?

I would really like to discuss this book with someone else who read it and can grasp what it says. It has such an immense amout of knowledge about a whole subject that is foreign to me. This book is CCCCRRRRRRAAAZZZZYYYY and unnerving :shock: . It dabbles with lucid dreaming and then goes full throttle into Shaman dream journeys, the Sage's Dream of Power, Astral projections, shared dreaming, gestalts (alternate worlds that our spirit body can "connect" to) and DOZENS of other supernatural insanity.

I've never read it but i'll for sure check it out the next time i have the chance to go to the library. Thanks for recommending it.

sounds like more bad rep for lucid dreaming >:l

yay for the crackpots with their OBE's and astral projection that ruin lucid dreamings good name!

It by no means made me think less of the LD concept. It just made me aware that alot of ancient Eastern culture (Tibetan Tantra, Persian Surgi, Australian Aboriginals, Siberian Shamanism) is completely loony. Thankfully my Westerner ignorance has shielded me from such voodoo bs .... until I read this book :? .... I still definately recommend it though, it is very well done.

I just ordered Stephen LaBerge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming Any particular thoughts on this book?

I found my copy and blew the dust off of it. :lol:

It's been a long time since I read it so I can't really discuss it off hand. Is there a particular chapter you're most interested in?

It does have some really interesting pictures (at least my hard copy does). :-)

LaBerge's book is a must read for anyone interested in lucid dreams (in my humble opinion).

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Originally posted by Tron

I just ordered Stephen LaBerge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming Any particular thoughts on this book?

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bible of lucid dreaming

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Originally posted by Clairity
I found my copy and blew the dust off of it. :lol:

It's been a long time since I read it so I can't really discuss it off hand. Is there a particular chapter you're most interested in?

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Part II in general, haha. It just goes BALLISTIC with all the supernatural craziness. An example would be the 3rd Eye Meditation technique that the Tantra used.

I only have 2 books on Lucid Dreaming - EWLD and "Lucid Dreams in 30 Days." The first is excellent, the second was a total waste of time and money, IMHO. You can pretty much learn anything you need to know about LD's with enough Google searches.

Something I Gotta Say: I've noticed people who refer to things like OBE's, Astral Traveling, etc. as "mumbo jumbo" usually have no academic knowledge or first hand experience with those subjects. Remote Viewing, a skill very similiar to Astral Traveling, has been scientifically proven, and employed as an intelligence program in the US Air Force for years.

It's funny to describe Lucid dreaming as a "serious, scientifically acceptable topic," while dismissing the other subjects with contempt. Scientists all over the world used to swear up and down that Lucid Dreaming was just as rediculous and "impossible" as the other things mentioned above, because they "knew" the conscious and subconscious mind could not co-exist simultaneously. That is of course until people like LaBerge took the time to prove otherwise in laboratories and verify it with impirical data.

Bottom line is, it's easy to claim things are impossible or don't exist, but it doesn't make you smarter or happier to believe it or help other people for that matter. Might as well just keep an open mind and say, "I don't know," or "Maybe," that way you never look foolish, and just might discover something wonderful.

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i read LaBerges Lucid Dreaming and it blew me away. The questions it exposed me to have severly altered my perception of reality.

What kind of questions did it pose?

The main theme of The Lucid Dreamer was along the lines: "Our 'reality' is not as substantial and stable as we believe... we are actually dreaming while 'awake' "

Hey all,

I have to agree that this book is taking you to all areas around dreaming...from the physiology of your brain, to the experiences of eastern cultures, as other said...
However, this is the book that contained information and clues that kinda scared me...I am not saying that these info are bad for you...its probably the truth...I had lots of LD experiences and others (OOBE's e.t.c.)...if you have read a lot of books (or had a lot of experiences in that world) you might understand what i am gonna say...
There is a great risk that if you are not at a gury-spiritual-level (meaning, practicing everyday to be either a totally good&positive - or totally bad person), you will probably end up confusing the reality with dreaming and vica-versa - it can definately alter your perception of reality....
its not something that can happen by simple LD's - They are innocent!...
I am speaking of experiences far beyond simple LDing....I am speaking about efforts to go back to the past - or future, or try to use saman techniques to spy on someone or something....
The deeper you plunge in, the harder you will be taken back to surface-level again.....

I'm reading a book by Stephen LaBerge called "Lucid Dreaming: A Conclusive Guide to Awakening in Your Dreams and in Your Life". It's a really interesting book. So far it hasn't explained anything new that I don't know of, but I like the viewpoints the book has. But it did explain in the outline that it will give you some ideas on how to uncover some lost memories and other things of that nature. I'm really looking forward to reading that.

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Originally posted by Pandragon
I only have 2 books on Lucid Dreaming - EWLD and \"Lucid Dreams in 30 Days.\" The first is excellent, the second was a total waste of time and money, IMHO. You can pretty much learn anything you need to know about LD's with enough Google searches.

Something I Gotta Say: I've noticed people who refer to things like OBE's, Astral Traveling, etc. as \"mumbo jumbo\" usually have no academic knowledge or first hand experience with those subjects. Remote Viewing, a skill very similiar to Astral Traveling, has been scientifically proven, and employed as an intelligence program in the US Air Force for years.

It's funny to describe Lucid dreaming as a \"serious, scientifically acceptable topic,\" while dismissing the other subjects with contempt. Scientists all over the world used to swear up and down that Lucid Dreaming was just as rediculous and \"impossible\" as the other things mentioned above, because they \"knew\" the conscious and subconscious mind could not co-exist simultaneously. That is of course until people like LaBerge took the time to prove otherwise in laboratories and verify it with impirical data.

Bottom line is, it's easy to claim things are impossible or don't exist, but it doesn't make you smarter or happier to believe it or help other people for that matter. Might as well just keep an open mind and say, \"I don't know,\" or \"Maybe,\" that way you never look foolish, and just might discover something wonderful.

:wink:

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i read LaBerges Lucid Dreaming and it blew me away. The questions it exposed me to have severly altered my perception of reality.

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well, this is my first post, im 14 yrs of age right now, and i have to say that i am going to stop posting for maybe a short while and read a couple of Stephen LeBerge's books.
have fun without me.

how can you "stop posting" for awhile if you don't even post in the first place?

well, when i made that post it was about 5 minutes after i registered, and i was inteding to do a lot of posting to find out some stuff, but here i am. i decided stoppping posting isn't a good idea.