How Lucid Dreaming still not an desire of every human bean?

Would just like to know your opinions about it..
Lucid dreaming is not just awesome, for experiences and exploring yourself, it is also a very useful thing when you want to get over your fears, and stuff.

I mean.
Everyone always talk about how they would love to do what they wanted and how they wanted in real life.

Kick their boss ass, have sex with Angelina Jolie, Fly, Interact with creatures from other planet.. and in LDs you can do it!

Why Lucid Dream still not a popular thing?
It exists for ages now, and its surely going to grow up, but how such an incredible and holy (yes, holy, i believe it is like a spiritual thing too) thing is not popular, and a desire of everyone one?
(sorry for my english)

I just want to know if you are serious about "human BEAN".......?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Sorry about it
as i said, sorry for my english

But please dont stay on this discussion
back to the topic

lol, ok thanks for taking it so lightheartedly and not as a personal insult. LOL

As far as the original topic. I would say a lot of the people that I talk to who seem to object to the idea of Lucid dreaming object because they are afraid of it. Usually it's a religious thing honestly. Some people seem to think that it is ungodly or messes with nature or something. Some just don't view it as appropriate or understand what the desire is to do it. Shrug

Another reason might be because people get discouraged so damned easy. People Try it for one night, can;t get it, and say f*** it. I believe that's the biggest roadblock.

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Originally Posted by MrsLost

As far as the original topic. I would say a lot of the people that I talk to who seem to object to the idea of Lucid dreaming object because they are afraid of it. Usually it's a religious thing honestly. Some people seem to think that it is ungodly or messes with nature or something. Some just don't view it as appropriate or understand what the desire is to do it. Shrug

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With older people i observed this religious thing too.
my parents, uncles, and older cousins said the same thing.. they were afraid that your spirit leaves your body in LDs and make your body free for a new and evil soul.
Actually im afraid of it too, but not in LDs but in OBEs..

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Originally Posted by OldSparta

Another reason might be because people get discouraged so damned easy. People Try it for one night, can;t get it, and say f*** it. I believe that's the biggest roadblock.

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but my friends that are young and open minded were very excited about it, and 2 of them sticked with the practice for like 3 weeks, both had LDs in the first week, but they are lazy.
I think that this is the problem for the youngers, and the religious thing is the problem for the older people..

I was definitely going to mention that as well, until I ran with the other idea and forgot, lol.

Even I can be an example of it. It definitely affects my interest in it when I can't do it easily. not that I expect anything in life to come easily, but that's just the thing, I have other things in life that don't come easy that may be more important in the immediate way of this world. Unfortunate things like finances etc for my family and their well-being. Ya know?

Nobody has ambition. Nobody wants to put effort towards anything unless they see immediate results.

I guess, when I go to bed I just want to relax and let the dreams come however they will come. I don't want to continue to work at something, lol. Call it lazy if you want, but I love my sleep, especially now while pregnant, haha

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Originally Posted by jasonresno

Nobody has ambition. Nobody wants to put effort towards anything unless they see immediate results.

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Completely disagree... At least with you making a blanket statement and using the word "NObody".....

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Originally Posted by MrsLost

I was definitely going to mention that as well, until I ran with the other idea and forgot, lol.

Even I can be an example of it. It definitely affects my interest in it when I can't do it easily. not that I expect anything in life to come easily, but that's just the thing, I have other things in life that don't come easy that may be more important in the immediate way of this world. Unfortunate things like finances etc for my family and their well-being. Ya know?

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Originally Posted by jasonresno

Nobody has ambition. Nobody wants to put effort towards anything unless they see immediate results.

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I practiced for like a month before getting my first LD.
And normally im not too persistent with this things i read on internet, but when i had my first, i got so excited that i couldnt stop anymore.

For sure LD is for Open Minded and persistent people, without it you are not going anywhere.
thats a shame cuz it helps you to open even more your self and question some things in real life.. some things i dont see much with people i know

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Originally Posted by MrsLost

I guess, when I go to bed I just want to relax and let the dreams come however they will come. I don't want to continue to work at something, lol. Call it lazy if you want, but I love my sleep, especially now while pregnant, haha

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In some cases it is but i understand what you are saying..
everyone pass through it (not being pregnant lol)..

Now that i have practiced for a while i dont nothing anymore..
just write my Dream Journal and do a WBTB of 30seconds.. and still enoying LDs

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Originally Posted by MrsLost

Completely disagree... At least with you making a blanket statement and using the word "NObody".....

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Sieg heil, semantic nazi.

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Originally Posted by lschievenin

but my friends that are young and open minded were very excited about it, and 2 of them sticked with the practice for like 3 weeks, both had LDs in the first week, but they are lazy.
I think that this is the problem for the youngers, and the religious thing is the problem for the older people..

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So... they stopped LDing?

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Originally Posted by OldSparta

So... they stopped LDing?

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Yep, after two LDs not Full Lucid and Real, they stopped..
but i cant tell you, that after they reading about it, and having this 2 LDs, they became a lot more open minded and stuff.

They are now huge fans of Pink Floyd as me.
This is another curious thing.. Most people that i know that searched for LD, or that did it cuz i told them (this friends) are fans of Pink Floyd, or after it, they became lol

Pink Floyd and LDs have a connection.. trippy

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Originally Posted by lschievenin

Yep, after two LDs not Full Lucid and Real, they stopped..
but i cant tell you, that after they reading about it, and having this 2 LDs, they became a lot more open minded and stuff.

They are now huge fans of Pink Floyd as me.
This is another curious thing.. Most people that i know that searched for LD, or that did it cuz i told them (this friends) are fans of Pink Floyd, or after it, they became lol

Pink Floyd and LDs have a connection.. trippy

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That's crazy that they quit even after experiencing it. But at least they experienced it once and I'm sure it won't be the last time really.

So funny you should say that about Pink Floyd. My dad is a HUGE fan, has been since I can remember... But he is one of those religious people who just wouldn't believe in LDing or even exploring anything in the dream realm. he would feel uncomfortable if the subject came up even...

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Originally Posted by MrsLost

That's crazy that they quit even after experiencing it. But at least they experienced it once and I'm sure it won't be the last time really.

So funny you should say that about Pink Floyd. My dad is a HUGE fan, has been since I can remember... But he is one of those religious people who just wouldn't believe in LDing or even exploring anything in the dream realm. he would feel uncomfortable if the subject came up even...

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hahahaha it is not a rule for Lucid dreamers but you can search on this forum and you will see that there are a lot of crazy and lovers of this trippy things
LD is a very trippy thing.. its better than LSD and without any counter indication, just like Pink Floyd, better than drugs, and even more trippy!

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Originally Posted by lschievenin

hahahaha it is not a rule for Lucid dreamers but you can search on this forum and you will see that there are a lot of crazy and lovers of this trippy things
LD is a very trippy thing.. its better than LSD and without any counter indication, just like Pink Floyd, better than drugs, and even more trippy!

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haha, i definitely know what you meant. It's just funny for me because I personally relate Pink Floyd with my dad, and trying to relate him with LDing is CRAZY! LOL

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Originally Posted by MrsLost

haha, i definitely know what you meant. It's just funny for me because I personally relate Pink Floyd with my dad, and trying to relate him with LDing is CRAZY! LOL

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My dad that introduced Pink Floyd for me, and he is not religious at all but dont even like to TALK about Lucid Dreams..
but sometimes i catch him asking me questions about LDs and showing interest..

maybe he try to LD without telling me hahaha
your father too maybe LOL

So your dad was crazy while he was young, like a rocker?
in that time he would probably try LD.. youngsters are more likely to experiment all sort of things

IM not a human bean im a human being

I think its because people lose motivation of it easily. I tried it before about 3 years ago and gave up after a month because I felt like I wasn't getting anywhere.

Main reasons I've found from people who I talked to are:

-Too hard, they tried for a while and gave up.
or
-"It isn't real"

I think a lot of people either haven't heard of lucid dreaming, or did hear about it but don't comprehend the joy have being lucid and having control in your dreams.

A few people that I know (especially my mom) just plain think it's weird. Some people think it sounds cultish or just boring/stupid. Personally I think they might just not have very good/vivid dreams and can't imagine how incredible the sensation is. Then again, everyone has they're opinion..

Well I told a girl about it on facebook today and she seemed really excited about it until I told her it takes a lot of practice unless you are a natural. She didnt like that but I told her about the nose pinch reality check and she said she would try it. I really want her to be one of the people who hear about it and master it in one night that would be awesome and I know that it would be good for her. I also wish my gf could be one of the few who can do it as soon as they hear about it. It can be such an amazing escape from reality and I know they both need it. and the fact that my gf has nightmares I know she really needs it.

some people just dont have the patience they think that it is just going to happen over night :/ dey dont rly understand what an amazing experience it can be.. like i told my m8 about it and he tried it for 2 nights and then gave up.. im going to keep going till i can at least 2 a week

Seems like most people dont have patience for that..
hopefully someday when it becames important for humanity, or famous, people will see in television and maybe will pay more attention to it.
hopefully

Well...Several reasons
1.I think people get discouraged from when they first hear the idea of lucid dreaming...
As soon as it's mentioned they'd feel "Damn,this must be really really hard..."
And obviously,too lazy to put in the effort...
2.As it's been mentioned before,religious reasons...As far as I know...
Muslims,Christians,Buddhists and Jews don't have anything against it...
Free thinkers and believers such as the Mayans,may believe we might possess evil,or be cursed...
3.Some people think Lucid Dreaming isn't possible...
4.Some think it's dangerous...My mom,for instance...
She was "sort of" alarmed by the fact that I may jump out of the window,in the middle of the night,thinking I'm dreaming...haha
Well...that all points to the fact that people don't research about Lucid Dreaming to find out the wonders and facts behind it...
Ehh,honestly,I kind of like the fact there aren't THAT MANY lucid dreamers...we're different,haha...
-Sam

Lucid dreaming can be frustrating. Very. You can put in an unbelievable amount of effort over a few days and not get a lucid from it, then another night you go to bed thinking, "Hey, would be great to have a lucid tonight" and you have one. Also there's quality of lucids. Some of my LDs have been phenomenal. Fantasy cities that would take me days to imagine and draw are created by my sleeping brain in an instant. While in others I vaguely realise I'm dreaming, have a short blurry experience and then wake up with blurry recall. If someone does achieve lucidity then their first few lucids may be like my dull ones. This could make someone conclude that lucid dreaming isn't that great and isn't worth the effort.

I agree with a lot of people on here, there's people in this world that don't have much patience and only try it for one week. It took me 5-6 weeks to get my first lucid and my dream recall up. But now I'm starting to have a lot of them. At least 1 every 4-6 days, hell I just had two dis morning. I accidentally did a WILD. And did a DILD later. Also it might seem scary for some people. To be honest I was kinda scared at first, but once I had one. I learned that it's not scary at all. Also I love this site.

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She was "sort of" alarmed by the fact that I may jump out of the window,in the middle of the night,thinking I'm dreaming

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Someone once said that to me, I replied by telling him that a lucid dreamer would know the difference between a dream and reality a lot better than a non-lucid dreamer. Being somewhat logical he agreed :)

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3.Some people think Lucid Dreaming isn't possible...

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This is the reason for a lot of my friends.

The main discouragement for lucid dreaming, for my own efforts, is the lack of immediate results and that sometimes at the end of the day I care more about just falling asleep and thinking about the next day than I could care about trying to control my dream. I still enjoy lucid dreaming, but I think most people are too busy with their own lives in the day to care about it, partly because it's an experience that doesn't often change anything in your real life and partly because of the effort the process of learning takes to become skilled at lucid dreaming.

It can change a lot if you use it for good purposes

It pisses me off soooooo much when people say that its not possible. I know its possible from personal experience. I want to know what makes them think that we can have no control over our dreams? I guess I could see that coming from a person who doesnt even know what they are going to do in the next second in a dream because they have no thought process. If you can think in a dream then obviously you can catch yourself in a dream if you just direct your mind away from the plot of the dream for half a second.

saw Inception yesterday with my brother and dad
my dad said it`s not so Fun like in the movie.
and my brother that it dont exist.

it pissed me off too

I was talking to my moms boyfriend about it today and he said that he goes to sleep to get away from the world and he doesnt want to have to do stuff in his sleep too. I say what better way to get away from the world than to escape to a world of your own creation?

lack of guidance and frustrations

I've tried LD on and off for about 3 years now, since I started I've had 100% dream control in all my dreams but very little lucidity, sometimes I just don't have time to try 20minutes of WILD because I got to think about going to do other stuff tomorrow.

Its not really religion that stops people, but rather conservatism really that shields itself with the legitimacy of religion. I'm getting really serious this time about my LD since its Ramadan and I gathered motivation and decided this would be an optimal time to try it. I'm already seeing great results.

Well, I don't really share it with my family, so they don't really know all about LDing, I'm sure my mom knows what it is, I just don't talk to her.

I did however, make a huge thread about it in another forum I'm actively part of, and got a few people seriously interested, especially one person. We talk about it alot, he comes to me if he has problems or needs help.

I think the reason LDing isn't so popular is because, people either don't have much interest, or people aren't willing to put forward much effort.

Glad to see Pink Floyd fans in here XD best band of all time, and I have seen that alot of Pink Floyd fans are interested in LDing, such as on this site, but idk if there's a connection XD

hahahahahaha i think there is a connection
lots of ppl in this forum love Floyd.
how not to love it?

Some people don't know about LDing and some people think it's impossible.

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Originally Posted by lschievenin

My dad that introduced Pink Floyd for me, and he is not religious at all but dont even like to TALK about Lucid Dreams..
but sometimes i catch him asking me questions about LDs and showing interest..

maybe he try to LD without telling me hahaha
your father too maybe LOL

So your dad was crazy while he was young, like a rocker?
in that time he would probably try LD.. youngsters are more likely to experiment all sort of things

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He wasn't a rocker at all actually! He's never been drunk in his life! Never done ANY kind of drugs. It's a paradox, lol

IMO because it's not real, and there's no visible results other than personality changes/ideas from dreams... You can't watch a lucid dream that someone had.

Besides, people try after one night and give up. :P