Just curious as to what other people would do. Trading 'lives' would mean losing everybody you know, by the way. No family, no loved ones, you'd start again with an entirely new cast of characters. No re-spawning people allowed. :D
In case some people don't get the title, I'm asking this; Would you trade in everything/everyone you you know at this moment in time in order to enter an 'infinite' lucid dream?
Discuss. I'm not entirely sure about what I'd do so I'll leave my vote blank for now. :P
>:O
I DONT KNOW
WAIT INFINITE!
HELL YEAH
maybe
I DONT KNOW
This I did.
No.
I believe all experiences are entirely subjective. We cannot interpret or perceive any situation completely objectively. So in that way, dreams and reality are similar. However, the truly subjective nature of both realities and their differences in malleability, control and power is not enough to convince me to trade.
I love life. I love the world. I love being with my family, meeting and making new friends as well as seeing old ones, and knowing that we as a society are growing and evolving. To me, dreams are not a form of escaping life. Instead, it is a form of enhancing our perspectives and experiences in waking life. I do not intend to use LDing as a way to escape the "hassles" of everyday life. I intend to use it to learn and think about reality in new ways. Ways that will help me propel my waking life experiences forward.
Imagine truly believing and internalizing that you have unlimited possibilities in waking life. That you can truly do whatever you want without any self-imposed or society-imposed restrictions. Sure, the laws of physics may not be changeable, but what you can do in waking life is limitless. You can make any decision. You can talk to any random stranger without feeling shy. You can try out a business venture without fear or any other negative emotion. You can travel the world without fear of it. You roll with the punches as they come, making intelligent decisions, but not letting it hurt you emotionally or in stressed out ways. Instead, you simply feel joy and love as well as happiness.
Waking life as well as lucid dreaming gives you an opportunity to accomplish this kind of abstract idea- total freedom. I don't ever want to say "I can't do so and so because of x or y."
In essence, to me LDing is for a new understanding or perspective of reality in waking life. A total infinite lucid dream would contradict my goals which is why I would not trade.
All in all, this is my own personal goal :)
Absolutely not. I'd rather die now then have eternal life. An eternal lucid dream would quickly get boring. The first 10,000 years of having fun in the dream would be exciting, but eventually you would run out of things to do. By definition you would know that even if your loved ones were around you they would only be phantoms. Once the dream becomes boring, eternity would begin. You'd be left with nothing important to do for the next 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000 years. But then it doesn't end; you have another eternity to go. And then another and then another. Forever. That would be the greatest curse of all time.
Wow. I didn't think of the question that way. The way I see it, eternity in waking life would get pretty bad after losing person after person you love. However in a lucid dream, I can see how the malleability would keep me entertained for a while. But after that gets boring, could it start feeling like being the only man on Earth? With no person you feel is real that you can interact with, thinking everyone is a figment of your imagination manifesting itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by kookyinc
It could end up being a sort of hell. :shock:
Life's only fun because of the challenges. It gives you something to accomplish. I think I'd prefer it over lucid dreaming because of this
You have just given me an answer :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kookyinc
and maybe cured me from my partial fear of death XD
yeah im not jk thx XD
Some interesting points here. Most of you seem against it - is there anybody who'd like to do it? If so, why? :)
Well that depends.
1: can i remember things from my past life so I dont make the same mistakes.
2: can i control things like a dream.
3: do i start out as my age right away
Imagine you fell asleep tonight into a lucid dream with the highest possible state of awareness, one where you could control EVERYTHING. Even time manipulation and such. The only condition is you losing everybody you know/everything you have, but yes, you would retain your memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyG
You could probably get around the memory thing by imagining a mind eraser laser or something and wiping your memory though.
No way, it'd get old controlling everything with my head. There would be nothing spontaneous, no one acting on free will. I'd be the God of a realm in which I am the only person, talk about loneliness...
I'd love to hear from some of the people who voted yes. The poll's at a tie now :D
Me too. Everyone who has responded with a post has seemed pretty against the whole idea but the poll's still at a tie. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomLegend
u said no respawning people but u never said no spawning talking animals
I would trade the next 5 or 10 years for a lucid dream, but eternity? No.
The two states of consciousness complement each other, and need each other. Life gives a sense of meaning, and of interdependence, and of human connection. Dreaming gives a sense of freedom, self discovery, all the great things.
But dreams are awesome relative to monotonous life.
I love that point. I'm going to put it in my signature. Thank you for...well, posting it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lotsofface
No way. I can't begin to imagine how lonely that would be. I'd always know everyone around me were just creations of my own mind. To quote Cobb from Inception:having godlike powers isn't really worth an eternity of loneliness imo.Spoiler for Inception:
Well, since my life sucks as it is, and my "loved ones" arent really that special to me... besides my mother and father, I would say yes.
As kookyinc mentions, living an eternity in a world where you have absolute power is not something I would like to do.
In fact living with absolute power at all does not sound attractive to me at all.
Generally speaking, I would never trade my life for anything uncertain anyways, regardless of how promising it sounds.
I would do it.
Being able to completely control your world forever would be amazing in my opinion. Some of you say that it would become boring after some time due to challenges, but wouldn't you be able to create new problems just for the sake of overcoming them? Also, wouldn't the other dream characters have free will if you wanted them to? So, you could make it anything you wanted to just as long as you didn't bring in anyone from this world.
This is how I see it, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong... I'm not sure I understand the rules correctly.
it would be sad to leave everything behind. the way i see it, life feuls dreams. real places on earth, things ive seen, and movies and cartoons give me ideas for what to do. but if i had a little longer to live, i'd do it. sure forever is a long time, but put it this way, id go absolutely insane, and when im insane and can control everything i might come up with something interesting.
No, I like the challenges and crafts of both worlds. Don't care about it being eternal or not, but trading one for another is a no-no.
Mm, I don't think so, because of the fact that even if I could have godlike powers, I'd go insane over time because of loneliness.
It would be different if I could create a world where people think and live their lifes like normal people, would be intelligent. Then it would probably stay interesting for a LOOOONG time.
Then again, ultimately it would turn out to be hell. So, no.
Definitely not because it wouldn't be real and it matters to me that things are real.
I'm so undecided on this question, but i do have a thought.
If you have all the power, why don't you just end it? Kill yourself.
I thought that too, but then again, it does say UNLIMITED LENGHT.
And if that doesn't mean that you couldn't kill yourself, I'd say I wouldn't have the courage to do it.
No. As kookyinc pointed out, it would be fun at first, but then you would just be doomed to spend the rest of the eternity able to do anything and being really bored. Maybe a LD the lenght of a year would be great, but eternity? Not that great.
What if you were able to lose some awareness of the dream? Still being lucid, but not knowing everything is your mind creating it. I'd do it. Plus, I believe in the dream plane being separate with entities and beings existing on that plane as well. So there would be some realness to it.
Um, this thread is showing the fear of eternity, uh? I don't understad the fear for any kind of eternity, be it eternal conciousness (Life) or eternal unconciousness (Death), if you are in a world where you can do anything, I don't see how you can't make the beings in it independent from yourself, plus I doubt anyone here has good enough memory as a human to remember past the few billion years, it will be like living in the moment and nothing more, if at all, so people wouldn't really realize how much time has passed after a certain point, and if there is a time problem, you can always control yourself to forget and start a new somewhere else, for example, an universe like ours where you can die lol
if its "Would you like to be god of a universe" (your dream universe), sure... An omnipotent god can do anything, including entertain itself for eternity. if it's "Would you like to lucid dream indefinitely," then no. I am never surprised in my dreams, and humans have limitations that would make an eternity become hell, as stated before ... although humans have the abillity for change, so you could improve yourself to the point of godlike intelligence and imagination - perhaps... a good thought provoker.
I wouldn't. To trade all my memories, my family, my friends, my pets, my skills, my education, my achievements my life for an infinate Lucid dream. NO WAY.
If you could do this how could you create a world in a lucid dream anyway, you'd have no knowledge of what people look like, of the nature of relationships, hell anything. Would you even know a langauge??
Real life is important. It is life. It is amazing.
When you're awakie you're living and when you sleep you have dreams and lucids. Isn't it far better to have both?
No one wants to live forever, the idea may seem appealing now, but it's not natural. Everyone dies one day. That's LIFE.
Was an interesting thought though, got a lot of people pondering their lives anyway! :)
Simply no. It would be great for first month or so, but it would get more boring and boring. You would start to feel that things are not real. Your friends are not real. Your family is not real. Your memories are not real. Nothing is real. And like mentioned before you would just go insane of lonileness.
I think I would BUT, not unlimited. The thought of being 'immortal', even in a dream is scaring me to death. My waking life isn't that great anyway, and all I think about when I'm awake is my next LD XD
I probably would, provided I could alter myself in the dream. If I was just myself, in an infinite sandbox, for ever, and ever and ever, I could make myself happy for the first 10,000 years, maybe 1,000,000 years, but eternity is such a very long time. If I could alter myself however i.e. wipe my memories, alter my mind to remove the concept of boredom entirely, then I would, because think about it, boredom is just part of the human mind, if you could alter it completely, you could remove it, make yourself content with blowing things up or whatever you choose to do for eternity. You could argue that it wouldn't really be entertaining, but if you truly had no idea of the concept (boredom) I don't think it would matter. Maybe if you wanted a different kind of entertainment you could turn boredom back on and relish in having nothing to do, I think it would be workable with self modification.
The reason my lucid dreams are special is because they are different from real life
No way! Life is way too much fun. There are too many things you just can't do in a lucid dream, such as meet new people or learn something new.
Never.
Here's another almost similar ques.
Would you trade YOUR sleep and mostly rest to have:
Guaranteed LD every night with no need for Induction method
Lucidness from start till end of sleep, situation depends fully on your thinking and daily life
To be able to recall your dreams (if you recall it instantly when you wake), along with headaches (depends on how much you want to recall)
Would you?
who says there is a difference?
There is.
His was Everything. Mine was part of your Health.
While I can see Everything is not worth risking for, while some even considered giving 5 years of his/her life for it.
I would. I'm not afraid of becoming bored of lonely in eternity.
To have infinite time in a lucid dream you could create your own universe. You would never run out of things to do. The real world is trash, that's why I lucid dream.
One good swift kick in the ass by a loved one is worth more than an eternity of kissing one's own ass.
I would be very lonely.
My word, a post by Philosopher that I can easily understand and completely agree with. Never expected that to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
It seems to me that it would be fun at first but eventually you'd get bored. When you think about it everybody you meet would just be variations of yourself (unless somehow shared dreaming was possible). I don't think dreaming could ever replace real life no matter how long it was. Dreams are really just a compliment to real life. I think our experiences in real life help our imaginations and make our dreams what they are. Without real life to draw from, dreams would eventually lose their realism. By realism i don' mean whether or not what your doing is possible in real life, but rather the feeling you get when you look at something in a dream and it looks so clear and vivid that its as if its actually real.
No, I would not like to. The life I know as reality, and as far as I can conclude it IS reality, is one I love, even if it isn't exactly what I want it to be all the time. In a never-ending lucid dream, one would be able to do a whole lot, but eternity would be too much. And, on top of that, it would be all projections of your own mind, so after a while wouldn't every dream character-person become familiar? That's too weird. And I probably wouldn't kill myself due to an inherent fear of death.
Honestly, I would rather choose a life of immortality in the real world than one of immortality in a lucid dream, as long as I stay physically young. In that state, even though you will witness death again and again and again, you could be transcendent of all the flaws in humanity, and hopefully, with your experience, make the world a better place than it is. People are inherently greedy and selfish, but would you be if you're immortal like that?
I think dreams fuel real life by inspiring creativity.
I would do it. It would be like going into a coma. People say if you dont know what you want to do as a career then find something you love doing for free and try and get paid for it. So if i was in complete power i could take something I love doing for free and do it forever. But you could do anything with it after that. I believe there is enough stuff to do that you could fill an infinite amount of time doing it. The hard part is, still, will it be worth it if you don't have anyone to share it with. Its kinda like video games that dont have multiplayer.
It pretty much sounds like trading life for death.
Wow, thanks. I suppose it's easy to be eloquent when I'm drawing from such an amazing experience for inspiration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candlelight
If it wasn't for eternity. Otherwise it'd probably just want to die after a while. But there would be so much one can do that it can go on and on, so it would be fun for a while. I'd need a family though or girlfriend/wife so I can feel some love in my life. I'd just erase my memory of my past life so I thought I was in my real life still, but eventually I'd find out I can control everything lol.
No, no, no. If I was all alone for like a year.... maybe... then it could have been fun. But forever? I wouldn't wanna live forever on Earth! If If I did do this, then I would like it if I could lose lucidity and just go with the flow, so I'm not really controlling it.
But if you were in the dream forever, you wouldn't keep thinking of it as a dream, you would think of it as Earth, just different than the one we are on now. Like, if you were "born" in the dreamworld, you would not wanna go to reality. Because it is reality if you're in it forever.
I would do it. My current life is just boring.
No. I love my life. However, if it is a shared dream with all my other friends and family stuck in the same 'infinite dream' situation, I may consider it :D
Nah, you could get new ideas all the time in waking life, so when you enter a lucid dream, you have something new to do.
I'd sure trade my life for an Infinite LD. Besides, if I get bored and tired of it, I'll just erase my mind and dream of a new beginning. That way, I really won't know how long it's been, just know that it's infinite. I know a lot of people are gonna scold me over this. It's like how a lot of people believe in life after death. How I look at it, Infinite LDs are no different because you just die and die. The same can apply in a LD and therefore, I conclude that I would rather trade my life (My dull, boring life) for an Infinite lasting LD.
Life is real, dreams are not. Life matters, dreams (for the most part) do not. Life involves real people, real relationships and experiences, dreams do not.
As much as I truly love lucid dreaming, I would prefer real life over some fantasy generated in my head. I would go crazy after a while knowing everything doesn't matter, and is fake.
This is an LD we're talking about, not omnipotence. I doubt one can erase one's memories in an LD, but if anyone wants to test this, please do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milow
It depends on all the details.
First of all, unlimited (and even infinite) does not mean interminable or unending. Don't get the vocabulary mixed up. It just means the dream would have no clear end, which in this case I interpret as meaning you are the one to decide when it ends. If you really get that bored, then sure, go ahead and end it, and I assume you would just die. But even interminable is not necessarily a bad thing, it just depends on the situation.
Secondly, is this exactly what you say, a "lucid dream" that lasts for unlimited time, or are you using the idea to touch on something more grand? There's a big difference between a lucid dream and a sandbox universe, so this distinction is necessary.
In a lucid dream, you have the illusion of omnipotence, but I doubt you could keep a lucid dream 100% stable for an infinite amount of time, and things like wiping memories or thinking outside of the possibilities of the human brain would be impossible, and restricting your abilities would not really work because there would be no real restrictions except for self-restraint. Though it's kind of like cheat codes; just because they're there doesn't mean you have to use them, and the game isn't any less fun even if you know there are cheat codes out there, though admittedly they are tempting.
However, a sandbox universe is an entirely different story. You would be able to do literally anything imaginable, as well as expand the limits of imagination. Wiping your own memories, or setting the different levels of your own ignorance, would keep the experience fresh. You could create any life you desired and trick yourself into believing it until you died in that reality, sending you back to your omniscient, omnipotent state. Loneliness is a state of mind; who are you to say what is real or not real? The people in this universe could be as real as the ones from your previous one if you so chose; you could even create a friend with the exact same powers as you if you really wanted (though I'd be careful of this, for fear of him stripping your powers). ANYTHING you want. And omnipotence includes the ability to set your own limits on your omnipotence; if you set it that for 100 years you didn't have the ability to do anything outside of the normal abilities of humans, and that there was no way to get the power back until the 100 years had passed, then that would be exactly what would happen.
If you're offering the chance for an infinite lucid dream, I'd have to think about it. Pseudo-omnipotence is enticing but could end up being disappointing, and risking my entire current reality for some crazy fun is enticing but a bit scary; I would most likely be crippled by nostalgia for the world I left behind. If you're offering the chance for a sandbox universe, though, then I would eagerly give an unhesitant yes. Omnipotence means the power to eliminate regret, so there really isn't a reason NOT to unless your have extremely powerful (and delusional) ties to your current reality.
I would defiantly do it.
About not being able to keep the lucid dream stable, we are thinking about it as still having to go through life in reality and sleep.
I believe after a few months strait of lucid dreaming the person would become more "powerful". How long does someone usually have in their dreams, an hour?
Lets say someone has a lucid every single day of their life for 70 years, and each one an hour. 375*70=26,000 hours, 26000/24=1000 days, 1000/365=3 years
3 years of lucid dreaming over 70 years.
Just think of the possibilities of 3 years of practicing your control over dreams straight, what wouldn't you be able to do after that much time had passed without the troubles of another world interfering.
What if with all that time you could create DC's as real as any person, create your own solar system or universe. Then creating a functioning world with you as the God, having power over all, having the time to develop DC's made of different bits and pieces of your own conscious and all reacting in your universe creating different scenarios for you to handle as you wish.
The possibilites are endless, combine that with a lucid dream of unlimited length, there would always be something new to do.
Well, since you put in the rule that we can't have anyone we know in this life in the dream, no, probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candlelight
Unless I could enter the lucid dream life when this life was ending anyway.
A lot of people seem to have a problem with the lucid dream being infinite. I'm not sure that would be so terrible in a lucid dream world. Pretty much anything would be possible, there could always be something new and interesting, and your lucid dream friends wouldn't have to die either. It would be even better if the dream characters were also conscious beings.
I think eventually the lucid dream would become the real world to you and you'd start your own life and have friends. That's how I'd treat it after a while.
i would do it because there is no one here for me..its just me and my thoughts anyways
What about all us folks here at dreamviews?
If shared dreaming is real and I could have some friends and occasional new people come in I might do it, but otherwise no. It;d be to lonesome and without interaction with other minds I think you;d basixally go insane. Your perspective would be the only one so it would never really change that much.
If it was like that I'd do it, but the people would all be you in a sense, so I dunnoQuote:
Originally Posted by NrElAx
I've come to the conclusion that I would definitely do it. My life is so unbelievably boring at the moment...complete and utter freedom sounds amazing right now. I'd just spawn an entirely new population and make friends/start a family with them. And perform crazy acts only a God would be able to perform. :P
It's been nice reading everyone's views on this thread.
I agree. after this, i started thinking and would if tats wut hapened? could we all just be projections in someones mind? its a lot to think aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by WinRic
Well if it's a dream, you can wake yourself up whenever you want. So I would go into the dream for eternity, but then when I got bored, I'd just wake myself up. I'm not going to apply fake rules to this. You can wake yourself up whenever you want.
THERE WAS A TWILIGHT ZONE EPISODE DEALING WITH EXACTLY THIS TOPIC!! (Well, sort of.) Basically, this criminal person got shot, and died in the middle of a robbery, and then he found out he was dead and a person was there with him and told him he could have ANYTHING he wanted FOREVER, so he did, he got a mansion, won at everything he did, got beautiful ladies, but everything became boring, and he wanted to do a robbery, but it turned out he could determine everything that would happen in the robbery, and he thought it wouldnt be as fun, and finally he asked for other people to come in with him but the person said that this was his own personal domain, no one could come in or out, and the person said "What place did I go to when I died!? The good place or the bad place?" and the person said "THIS IS THE BAD PLACE!!! MUAHAHAHAHA" and the person broke down crying because he was stuck in a place where he could do anything without challenges forever.
So needless to say, the answer to an eternity in a lucid dream is no thank you.
It would be extremely tempting, but I'd say no. I wouldn't trade my life away for that, since you would get bored after a while. Perhaps if I could get a month long lucid dream every two months of real time, I would accept it, but not this.
I'd be cool with an LD afterlife, but I wouldn't trade real life for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by patrick45
If you were to find yourself in an eternal lucid dream, you would quickly go insane. The feelings of alienation and frustration would be omnipresent. You would probably become locked in chains of false awakenings lasting years at a time as you begged for reality. You would trade in the ability to fly for a stable digital clock in a second. Without the comparatively boring world we live in, your perpetual dream would become that boring world. The reason why we enjoy lucid dreaming so much is because it reveals to us a liberating world so different from our own. An eternal dream would be analogous to a constant high, but even a high becomes unbearable after a period of time, and you must come down.
Even when you dream you can set your own limits if that's what you want, you can pretend everything's real and ur really venturing in a world. Atleast i think that's how it works . :P
Anyway i got this question on a very personal level meaning when i went sleeping and i was a little intoxicated i was under the impression that if we die in this world we just go to our dreams and continue for eternity. So, intoxicated as i was when i tried sleeping i actually felt an immense pain in my heart and felt like i would die if i didnt fight this feeling. Needless to say i never stopped fighting for a second and i am still here. :P
It's basically a matter of rather you would would want to exist or not exist. I'm pretty sure I'd choose existence with the additional features. I doubt that an infinite LD would get boring. Your imagination is unlimited so I'm pretty sure you'll never run out of things to do. Also it's Lucid so you never lose the ones you love and they are around forever which is an added bonus. For those who are saying that nothings is real, the options are existence or non-existence. If you exist then all that you interact with consciously is real for you. My LD's pretty much trump RL so I'll definitely go for it.
Try to imagine 29 apples at the same time. Try to picture that in your head and count them. Make sure they're individually placed, not in groups (i.e., there is equal space between them). This is impossible to do for many people. Or rather, a lucid dream challenge: Try to summon 100 different-looking people at the same time, each having a unique conversation with the person next to him. Your mind will take shortcuts to do this, or this may not happen at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
We only have so much brain matter, so many ideas, and so many neurons. Unfortunately, imagination is limited to some degree.
I guess in your case it is quite limited :p Imagination is in no way limited to only the conscious mind. How do you think your dream worlds are created? You enter into a dream fully Lucid and you will never have 100% control. You can only manipulate the scenario but you never fully control it. the fact of that matter is that "ALL" dreams rather Lucid or not are subconsciously autonomous i.e., responding, reacting, developing, completely independent of your conscious. Which is why new phenomena that you've never experienced or even consciously thought to experience in RL, transpires within a dream. It runs the entire time completely independent of you. All things are capable and you do not necessarily have to be aware of it at the time. So yes, 29 apples appearing all at the same time is possible as well as 100 different looking people at the same time is possible. The latter is actually pretty normal within the scope of dreams. As for me, I do not believe the subconscious mind has limitations, thats just my theory. Let me ask you something. Have you ever experienced a Lucid Dream where you've dreamt in the 1st and 3rd person simultaneously?Quote:
Originally Posted by kookyinc
No I would not trade my life for an eternal lucid dream.
1) After a while you would actually run out of things to do and become bored
2) None of the people around you are real.
3) The randomness of the dream would get obnoxious. As we all know dreams can have some really strange occurrences. For example a man in one of my lucid dreams appeared and started shooting me.
I'll take real life and lucid dreams when I have them.
;-) That was cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
Technically, no, not just the conscious mind. But it is limited to the amount of processing that the brain can do. The mind is a product of the brain's functioning, the operating system of a hard drive, in a sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
This is a legit question and not sarcasm, do you mean that dreams act completely independently of the conscious mind or do you mean that they act in conjunction with the conscious mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
I would consider this true in the sense that in a dream, a computer may work, even if you're not thinking about all the complex inter-workings of the computer happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
The key to those points is awareness and counting (and the apples one was supposed to be an awake experiment, sorry if I was not clear). Can you close your eyes and picture 29 equidistant apples and count each one without ignoring any others? However, I will concede that it is possible for 100 different people to exist in a dream at the same time. The point I was trying to make was that most likely your brain will not be able to handle a sudden addition of 100 new faces and 50 unique conversations, to all of which attention is paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
Technically it's a hypothesis. :-P But this does not make sense from a neurobiological perspective. Your brain has a limited mass. Your mind is a function of your brain. Ergo, you mind is limited. No computer can have infinate processing speed and memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
Nope. But in fairness, I've only had about 4 lucid dreams. I can try this if I have another, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne-yo
I would have to say yes and no.
Yes, provided that
1: It doesn't last more than 75 years
2: I can replicate the process of my splitting conciousness that has happened in non lucids, in this lucid, to have an actual second me inside the dream, to have there as a real person. When I have gotten this in regular dreams, Both people were unaware of each other being me, and unaware of each others thoughts. When I woke up, I remembered both memory lines and thought lines. Perfectly split conciousness. Both were me, yet separate.
3: I can't be even semi omnipotent after the first few minutes of world creation. Lucid =/= control. I want the control to create the world I want, but I don't want to keep the control
No, if all of these are not applied.
Now the why? Because my life sucks and my social connections suck. I've only got a few close friends and even those are self centered a-holes (maybe I'm too, maybe not)
And life sucks in general too.
Hell no!
Throw away my entire family, friends, and life for some fantasy world that doesn't emd where every person I see isn't real?
Hell. No.
I'd like to think I would. The possibilities are endless... If you could perfect and stabilize your control you could be the god of your own universe. Create entire dimensions, galaxies, and races, your own laws of physics, conscious beings to populate it all. Play your favorite game essentially in "real life", or make your own games. Rewrite history. Invent new technology, become part of a primitive or advanced culture for an hour or a lifetime. Make your favorite movie your reality. Sure, the DCs might seem a little stiff but if you had enough practice with control could you not make them think independently and with free will? When you get bored, create Heaven or Hell. Reincarnate yourself. Become a spirit. Start a new evolutionary process and become part of it. Create a god and a devil to do your job for you while you self-impose a limit on your own control.
If you were eternally stuck in a lucid dream, what would you dream about when you slept? How do you know you aren't stuck in a dream right now unable to become lucid? What if a lucid dream is just your mind's perception of true lucidity which we know nothing about...? What if we are just "God's" DCs? I'm just kidding (I think) but it's something to ponder. Now that my head is about to explode, I think I'm done. lol
No I wouldn't. A shared lucid dream with someone else, maybe... but one by myself, no.
We actually do not know if the subconscious has limitations or not. I believe it doesn't and I also believe the subconscious works completely independent of conscious thought, but can have a direct correlation to things regarding the conscious. i.e., intuition and deja vu.Quote:
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Have you ever experienced a dream of a specific place that you've never seen or been to before that doesn't even exist in the waking world, but you're succumb to an eerie familiarity with this location to the point where you know of this location as if you've been there for years.Quote:
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If this was an experiment to be conducted in RL then I think it's pretty irrelevant and pointless. There are an insurmountable number of things that you can do in an LD that you simply cannot do in waking life.Quote:
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So is autogenesis, nevertheless, many people still hold true to it. :pQuote:
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Information is in no way dictated by the amount of mass your brain has. Do you believe information is infinite?Quote:
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Good luck and let me know what it was like when you're successful because I've never done that one before. :P Interesting enough that you would think this experiment which seems to be complexed enough is a possibility but visioning 29 apples simultaneously in a dream is not possible. Interesting thought pattern you have there sir. :wink:Quote:
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