Do I have a lucid dream inability?

**bust113** · 05-19-2011 04:57 AM

Hello there fellow Dreamviews members! As some may know, I have been here a while, I am a fairly active member, and am obsessed with lucid dreaming. Yet I am incapable of having them (so far, at least).

When in a dream, it doesn't seem like I am placed in a world of my subconscious creation, and un-aware that it isn't real. For me it seems like I am viewing a dream on some monitor or something, or like I am viewing someone else's dream in my head.

In each and every one of my dreams it is in my conscious train of thought that I am dreaming, but it feels like I am spectating the dream so I can't do anything with it. I am not actually conscious in my dreams though, it is still like a normal dream, but my dream self is obsessed with the fact I am dreaming.

As an example: In my dream last night, well... I don't want to go over the details... but at one point I clearly said out loud "It is all 'cause i'm dreaming". Me saying things or thinking things similar to this is an occurrence in every single individual dream that I have ever had. I am pretty sure that I have never actually been lucid in my life. Both when I was 7 and a couple months ago, I had what appeared to be lucid dreams, but I am almost certain that they just normal dreams where the story was about me being lucid.

Now, could anyone please explain what this means? I have literally driven myself mad due to frustration of this many times in the last 5 months. What could I do to fix or even harness what I have explained in the last few paragraphs?

**tigerstar186** · 05-19-2011 05:13 AM

Considering the lack of actual knowledge other than speulation known about lucid dreaming, I really don't know. I've never met anyone who experiences it like you...do you think it might be some odd shared dream, but more so you watching someone else's instead of participating? It could just be your failure to lucid dream the first few times gave ou subconscious doubts, making you more likely to fail, and each time you failed again you felt you had an inability to dream? The whole spectating dream type thing could just be a different outlook you have on life changing the way you dream...but I'm not sure. Good luck.

**bust113** · 05-19-2011 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by legendarymidget

When you feel like you are spectating the dream, you could try taking over the consciousness of on of the DC's and direct the dream as that person.

Well... The thing is, it is still a normal dream, with my conscious turned off and everything, it is just that the spectating version of me projected from my subconscious is constantly thinking about how it is a dream. If it actually got to the point where my true conscious mind was awoken and aware that it is dreaming, the dream world would suffer the consequences of my lucid dream power. It seems like when I am dreaming my conscious is completely off, and cannot be awoken into the dream.

**zebrah** · 05-19-2011 05:25 AM

What are you doing to try to lucid dream? Are you doing reality checks? Do you regularly keep a dream journal? How much do you sleep? Are you taking any medication that could effect your dreams? You don't have an inability to lucid dream. You just have some blocks that you can work through.

Give us as much info about what you are doing. We can help you.

**bust113** · 05-19-2011 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Zebrah

What are you doing to try to lucid dream? Are you doing reality checks? Do you regularly keep a dream journal? How much do you sleep? Are you taking any medication that could effect your dreams? You don't have an inability to lucid dream. You just have some blocks that you can work through.

Give us as much info about what you are doing. We can help you.

I try WILD almost every night (about 5:30 AM), and I always go to sleep thinking over and over "I will have a lucid dream". My entire life is based around questioning reality. If I were stubborn enough, I would say I probably notice small little details more than any other human being. I always notice even the smallest little odd thing in real life, that would suggest that it isn't real life. I don't keep a dream journal, but I do remember 1 - 2 dreams every night with extreme detail, and I can remember dreams for 5 years ago with perfect detail, so I don't think that is an issue. I sleep 8 hours each night. I do not take any form of medication, I have never touched any kind of drugs, I have never smoked, I don't drink. That's really all.

**dreamcatcher81** · 05-19-2011 05:33 PM

It seems if you can process "It is all 'cause i'm dreaming" with in the astral dreamscape then that alone should trigger you. & You say this everynight with in the dreamscape amazing!! This is a talent that u must exploit. If I were in your position i would try the wake back to bed method it will add more awareness to your thoughts before you even make your lucid statements at night. & Im a avid supporter of it because it has yeilded several lucid dreams for me with in the last month. namaste

**bust113** · 05-19-2011 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by dreamcatcher81

It seems if you can process "It is all 'cause i'm dreaming" with in the astral dreamscape then that alone should trigger you. & You say this everynight with in the dreamscape amazing!! This is a talent that u must exploit. If I were in your position i would try the wake back to bed method it will add more awareness to your thoughts before you even make your lucid statements at night. & Im a avid supporter of it because it has yeilded several lucid dreams for me with in the last month. namaste

Actually, I do WBTB, I have trained myself to wake up naturaly at 4:00 almost every night. I think my problem is that when I think "dream" or "lucid dream" I don't put any thought to what the words mean. The word dream doesn't invoke anything in my mind when I say it. But when other people say it I immediately focus all of my attention on that word, as if it shocks me.

I think I just need to train myself to think about the word when I say it.

**dreamcatcher81** · 05-19-2011 08:23 PM

I agree the words dont mean anything if there is no feeling behind it, or conscious intent. Personally I hit some what of a dry spell with wbtb so i tweaked the time i wake up and go back to sleep, and that seem to work for me. It is in no means consistent yet but i am experimenting to get there.

Im also looking at the days during the week wbtb did work and then trying to duplicate the process during those days of the week in the morning.

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

Actually, I do WBTB, I have trained myself to wake up naturaly at 4:00 almost every night. I think my problem is that when I think "dream" or "lucid dream" I don't put any thought to what the words mean. The word dream doesn't invoke anything in my mind when I say it. But when other people say it I immediately focus all of my attention on that word, as if it shocks me.

I think I just need to train myself to think about the word when I say it.

**pepsibluefan** · 05-19-2011 09:40 PM

I wish you good luck on your journey, you know its been a long time since I lucid dream too..but the last time I lucid dream I was about to give up on it. Finally the frustration of not being lucid in my dreams went to my head in the dreaming world and I became lucid because of it. I really hope you find a method that works..Just keep at it never give up.

**bust113** · 05-19-2011 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by pepsibluefan

I wish you good luck on your journey, you know its been a long time since I lucid dream too..but the last time I lucid dream I was about to give up on it. Finally the frustration of not being lucid in my dreams went to my head in the dreaming world and I became lucid because of it. I really hope you find a method that works..Just keep at it never give up.

Thank you, and I wish you luck on lucid dreaming as well.

**Metalconch** · 05-20-2011 12:01 AM

It seems like the average persons problem is that they just don't remember dreams. It sounds like yours is that you arnt even present in your dreams. This seems no different than the people who want to be lucid but can't remember their dreams in the first place, you have to have the right dream setup first. Finding a way to have first person dreams would greatly help you get in the right dream set up to gain lucidity. Like your trying to complete step 2 without completing step 1

If this makes no sense, try some binaural beats or isochronic tones

**RebelSeven** · 05-20-2011 12:09 AM

I am more interested in the nature of your dreams than why you are not becoming lucid. Are you saying you don't feel or experience anything in the dream in first person?

**bust113** · 05-20-2011 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by RebelSeven

I am more interested in the nature of your dreams than why you are not becoming lucid. Are you saying you don't feel or experience anything in the dream in first person?

Well, I often feel what my dream character does. But I see in third person a lot of the time. But when dreaming I can actually feel a separate world as well, one that I am watching the dream from. I can feel a tv screen shoved up at my face, touching it.

**RebelSeven** · 05-20-2011 02:40 AM

Have you ever tried pulling away from the tv screen to see the whole tv set? especially after you know you are dreaming?

**bust113** · 05-20-2011 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by RebelSeven

Have you ever tried pulling away from the tv screen to see the whole tv set? especially after you know you are dreaming?

The thing is, my conscious mind isn't aware it is dreaming, everything is still occurring in my subconscious mind. I am not really lucid, it just seems my subconscious is obsessed with dreams.

But in a dream I had about a month ago, I forget what the dream itself was about, but the feeling of spectation was the most I've felt. Somehow I know that I was in a black room with a screen shoved into my face, and my brother was in the room too. He didn't say anything or do anything to warn me he was there, I just knew he was. I actually screamed at him with great rage "AAARRRRGGHH! I HATE DREAMS LIKE THIS!!!", but also at the same time somehow I said to myself rather calmly "Why are my dreams like this?" and I was really thinking about what was happening. I wasn't lucid though. I have never been.

**RebelSeven** · 05-20-2011 03:14 AM

I still don't quite understand how you can think that and not be lucid. Can you explain ANY more clearly? Usually when i become lucid in a dream I have this sense that I really knew it was a dream all along and I just wasn't focused enough to let that be a conscious thought, but this literal TV thing is just so strange to me.

**bust113** · 05-20-2011 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by RebelSeven

I still don't quite understand how you can think that and not be lucid. Can you explain ANY more clearly? Usually when i become lucid in a dream I have this sense that I really knew it was a dream all along and I just wasn't focused enough to let that be a conscious thought, but this literal TV thing is just so strange to me.

Yes, it is rather odd. But I don't know why I don't become lucid, it feels that in my dreams, my mind will refuse to wake up enough to become lucid.