Summoning

Hey guys!

So I've got a bit of a problem... Whenever I become lucid, the dream scene becomes abandoned. Any people that might have been there before disappear. I've tried several times to summon dream characters, or even a dream guide, but have had no success.

I've tried every technique I could find. I've tried to create small objects like rocks or fire, and I've tried to change my dream scene but all I get are small modifications. For instance, just this past morning I had a lucid where I was walking down a local street at night. There were kids walking around before, and they disappeared after. I stabilized the dream just fine, and was even able to fly around a bit. But when I put the image of a grassy field in my head and said out loud, "I'm going to close my eyes, spin around, and be in a field with my dream guide," (and proceeding to spin around) brought nothing. Nothing except that instead of midnight, it was dawn.

I'm pretty good with stabilization, and I've got flying under control which is really cool. I guess my nearest goal is to summon something. Even just a simple object... Any suggestions? I'd like to try some in the morning

Thanks!!!

EDIT: Just realized this might be better placed in the Dream Control area... Apologies!!!

I have a similar problem.. For the most part once I become lucid there's only like one DC left (unless they're attacking me!) I haven't really tried summoning DCs because I've been concentrating on other things, but:

Have you teleported through a door yet? I wonder if you could set up an image of what you want on the other side complete with DCs then open the door and walk through? This worked for me with objects. Also I have trouble summoning objects within my view but I can summon them out of sight like in my pocket or around a corner or behind me. If you haven't tried summoning out of sight I highly recommend it. Just concentrate and if it doesn't work try again, that's what I did.

I think you have to truly 100% expect it to be there when you come around that corner or reach behind you or whatever. Part of my problem was having the attitude of "I want this to happen" or "I hope this works" but once you get to "This WILL happen" and "This object IS there" I think you'll see results.

Just my 2 cents, hope that helped.

Spinning doesn't work for me either - I end up getting super dizzy in my dream and stumble everywhere. Flying usually fixes that though! Hahah I have tried summoning out of sight though. Most recently I imagined different things appearing behind me and then I turn around to find nothing. But teleporting through a door is something I haven't tried before... I'll give that a try next chance I get!

I know that my problem isn't with visualizing the concept, because I can always picture it crystal clear in my mind. It's somehow making it appear that is causing me the most trouble :P And I do believe it will be there. I was so convinced in my last LD that I could summon my dream guide or even change the scene...

You're quick, I just edited my post to add a part about attitude while summoning because I'm forgetful and stuff. I really am scared of spinning though, I even just spaced out once for a minute and everything turned grey and I was in a different place (still lucid that time though)

Yeah, as soon as I posted my reply I noticed yours was a little longer so I edited mine too!

I heard that spinning was supposed to help but it's given me nothing but grief! For me personally, if I lose focus or sight I'll wake up. In my last lucid dream (being at midnight) I lost control of my dream and woke up after I spun around in an attempt to change the scene. I got really dizzy and the only solution I saw was to fly straight up into the sky. Well, I got so high up that I couldn't see anything in the pitch black night so I woke up...

Yeah I heard so many horror stories about spinning that's why I won't try it, I prefer to touch things to stabilize. At least you flew voluntarily! I flew on accident while I was running and it scared the crap outta me lol. I thought I was going to leave the atmosphere, but I was still looking down at the earth concentrating on coming back down so I think that's why I didn't wake up or change dreams.

As for the summoning, I'm sure you'll find something that works. Just don't give up and try not to get frustrated. Maybe someone else will have a better technique but I say definitely give the door thing a try, its a pretty nifty way to get around if nothing else. I'm gonna try to figure out why DCs vanish like that, it's kinda annoying because I want to talk to them. I know I'm close to having another LD my mind has been teasing me about it lately.

Try turning around. and saying when you turn back around that object will be there. Try to Imagine a door, then in the door you can summon anything....
try flying into the sky and see if anything appears, just know that it is your dream and you're in control so anything can happen that you want.

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Originally Posted by erible

Try turning around. and saying when you turn back around that object will be there. Try to Imagine a door, then in the door you can summon anything....
try flying into the sky and see if anything appears, just know that it is your dream and you're in control so anything can happen that you want.

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Both of you are saying doors so I'll give that a shot next chance I get! I'm starting to think that I just can't handle changing so much at once. Is it true that there are levels of lucidity which correspond to the level of control you have in the dream?

Sure. There are are times I know I'm dreaming but I can't even control my own actions and thoughts much less the environment. Technically that is still a lucid dream but I don't count it really, not on my LD number for the board at least. Then there are other times where it seems like I go with the flow and don't mess with the plot much, but I'm still changing small things on the fly and trying to make the world bend to my will. And then there are the ones that make me feel like I'm just as aware if not more so than I am right now, and like a god of my own universe lol.

I haven't had all that many LDs but that's the way it's been for me so far. I'm sure there are more levels than that if you break it down... The ones I keep track of are in the higher levels, the ones I have no input at all might as well be a normal dream to me. It seems to be all about the clarity and awareness you have during the dream.

I've never had a bad experience with spinning it works perfectly.

Anyway if you appear in a dream in your room or any room with blankets, just grab one and hold it in front of your full body including your face visualize what place you want to go to or what person you want to summon and then lift it away and it'll be there. Works for me most of the time. I always start in my room so there's always a blanket around.

This is what bugs me. Why do people have so much trouble doing stuff in their LDs? When I do have lucid dreams I don't have an issue doing anything, I am the dream control master.

Here's the idea. As most people claim it to be, every single thing that happens in your dreams is in your head. Right now, I bet you can imagine a dark empty scene, and slowly make things appear. It is exactly the same in a dream. Why people need "practice" with controlling their dreams is because they think they do. They think dream control is a skill. It isn't. If you think that you suck at controlling dreams, you are actually controlling the dream, but in an undesirable way. This is because the mind does everything it tells itself to.

Just brag, tell everyone and yourself that you are the master of controlling dreams, even if it isn't true. Lie about it. Then your mind will remove the limitation it put on itself.

If this doesn't work, try saying aloud what you want to happen.

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Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

This is what bugs me. Why do people have so much trouble doing stuff in their LDs? When I do have lucid dreams I don't have an issue doing anything, I am the dream control master.

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I'll recommend you for a gold star. I did not ask to be looked down upon and gloated to, I asked for advice.

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Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

Why people need "practice" with controlling their dreams is because they think they do. They think dream control is a skill. It isn't. If you think that you suck at controlling dreams, you are actually controlling the dream, but in an undesirable way. This is because the mind does everything it tells itself to.

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While it is true that the subconscious plays a role, I was fully convinced that I was able to change the details - until it didn't work. I still believe I can change it, but people are all different and thus, no perfect, universal method exists. Some people can visualize objects better than others, and using different tricks and techniques.

And I have to disagree with your belief that people don't need practice with controlling their dreams. What about the people who think that dream control is a skill? Just because you think it's not a skill does not make it so. They would get better with every try because they truly believe they will, but I guess, being a master and all, you don't need practice

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Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

If this doesn't work, try saying aloud what you want to happen.

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I mentioned in my initial post that I had tried that. Please read the thread before posting


And Reclypso, I like your idea of a blanket... I'll add that to the list!!!

duke396, I'm the exact same :P

Expectation is key. Stand in front of a door, and say outloud several times with confidence that you want X to be behind the door when you open it. Stand there for about 10 seconds repeating this with confidence, and expecting it to happen. Then open the door.

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Originally Posted by Jakob

Expectation is key. Stand in front of a door, and say outloud several times with confidence that you want X to be behind the door when you open it. Stand there for about 10 seconds repeating this with confidence, and expecting it to happen. Then open the door.

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Another point for doors! I'm surprised I haven't tried this one before... It sounds like it's worked for a lot of people. I guess it makes sense though, as you can't see what's behind the door - so you imagine what could be there (what you want to be there) and so it shall be... Seems easier than trying to warp an entire area with you in the center of it :P I really hope I get a chance to try this tonight!!! I'll report my results when I get some

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Originally Posted by ASmitt

I'll recommend you for a gold star. I did not ask to be looked down upon and gloated to, I asked for advice.

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound so arrogant. I've just had a crappy day today, sorry for putting that on you. If it makes you feel better, it appears you have had 3 times as many lucids as I had in the same time frame, though this isn't really a competition.

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Originally Posted by ASmitt

While it is true that the subconscious plays a role, I was fully convinced that I was able to change the details - until it didn't work. I still believe I can change it, but people are all different and thus, no perfect, universal method exists. Some people can visualize objects better than others, and using different tricks and techniques.

And I have to disagree with your belief that people don't need practice with controlling their dreams. What about the people who think that dream control is a skill? Just because you think it's not a skill does not make it so. They would get better with every try because they truly believe they will, but I guess, being a master and all, you don't need practice

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Actually, since everything is in your mind, every single detail and action is due to your train of thought. I guess it could technically be considered a skill, to learn to be able to be completely in control of your mind.

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I mentioned in my initial post that I had tried that. Please read the thread before posting

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Oh, sorry. I did read it, but I must of forgotten that part.

Well I appreciate your apology - my advice though? Don't post in a bad mood. It rarely turns out... That's speaking from personal experience! I've done it too

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Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

Actually, since everything is in your mind, every single detail and action is due to your train of thought. I guess it could technically be considered a skill, to learn to be able to be completely in control of your mind.

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Well if you're sole intent is to trick your mind, then I guess you'd subconsciously be focused on the goal, and not the lie, or the trick, etc. And I'd agree that learning to control your mind is the real skill

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Another point for doors! I'm surprised I haven't tried this one before... It sounds like it's worked for a lot of people. I guess it makes sense though, as you can't see what's behind the door - so you imagine what could be there (what you want to be there) and so it shall be... Seems easier than trying to warp an entire area with you in the center of it :P I really hope I get a chance to try this tonight!!! I'll report my results when I get some

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This is the only method of dream control that works for me. Expecting X to be at place Y. Doors are a great help. Try it, and post what happened.

Jakob

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Originally Posted by ASmitt

Both of you are saying doors so I'll give that a shot next chance I get! I'm starting to think that I just can't handle changing so much at once. Is it true that there are levels of lucidity which correspond to the level of control you have in the dream?

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yes there are levels :) there are some videos I think you should watch, I will link you to the first one, and the rest should be in the suggestion bar :3

YouTube - ‪The 5 Layers of a Lucid Dream (1/5)‬‏

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Originally Posted by erible

yes there are levels :) there are some videos I think you should watch, I will link you to the first one, and the rest should be in the suggestion bar :3

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Thanks a lot! Those videos were very interesting... I always thought of lucidity as levels (or layers as used in the videos) - sometimes I have more control while other times I'm only aware that I'm dreaming and can do nothing to change things. I guess I should work on transitioning from a lower layer to a higher layer to gain more control!

There is no try, there is only do, or do not. If you intend to make a change, visualize every aspect of that change, and exert your will on that change to put it into effect. Don't watch idly as something starts to happen and wonder why and fight against it, you are simply fighting yourself in a limiting way. Expect your intent like you expect a light to brighten a room when you flip a switch, and with the same speed. Casually and fluidly make changes to everything around you through visualization and intent. Say it out loud if you want, and sometimes this is easier. Don't expect anything other than what it is you want, but be thorough with what you want.

Wording is the key to results. Do not ask for generalized items. Be specific. Give a process to what you want to accomplish based on the type of thing that it is you want to accomplish. For example, if you want to change an entire scene, design that scene with your mind's eye and then do something as simple as waving your hand from left to right over an area, to shouting the word "create". This is the same with objects and all other items you summon directly. If your intent is general, the symbolic meaning of said general scope will manifest in as many ways as is possible for said intent, meaning if you give a command that can be interpreted in many different ways, that is what will happen. You need to give yourself a way to impose your delicately crafted intent through a process that is your own, into the plane of energy around you. It does not matter how, just that it is your process of imposing your intent. It is some kind of rule that simply is.

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Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

Actually, since everything is in your mind, every single detail and action is due to your train of thought. I guess it could technically be considered a skill, to learn to be able to be completely in control of your mind.

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I like this idea. Example: in a LD I just woke up from about an hour ago, I easily levitated and coasted above some houses. How? I didn't really think about it or try to do it, I just did it. I had a goal in mind which was to find a big empty area that ended up being a rooftop and summon my DG (which I failed miserably at btw) so I wasn't thinking about the mechanics of proper dream flight, that was just the means to an end. When I woke up I was pretty amazed because I had major doubts about being able to hover like that and keep it under control.

I'm definitely going to check out those videos about layers but I'm about to go back to sleep and hopefully try this again :lol:

Try what Robert Waggoner suggests in the book "Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self" and interact with the dream itself. When you find yourself alone, shout out, "Hey dream! Show me something big and important!" or tell the dream to do something else for you and see what happens.

I want to add that I tried "Hey, dream, what's beyond THIS dream?" this past weekend, and the results were profound. The scene changed from some looping inside-an-old-house thing to a mirror in front of me. I gazed in the mirror, and saw a black woman peering back (I'm white). She seemed to be wailing. I turned away, feeling afraid, and said to myself, "god guide me." Two looming figures that seemed very very ancient approached me and said, "You are free."
The scene changed again and I went on to other adventures, but that has stuck with me all week.