Is commiting a crime something you dont think is right or its just a dream why should it matter, or depends on the crime, or other (specify below) And vote in the poll before answering peoplez sheesh
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Is commiting a crime something you dont think is right or its just a dream why should it matter, or depends on the crime, or other (specify below) And vote in the poll before answering peoplez sheesh
Poll? :-?
Personally I'm all for them. Crimes make lucid dreams fun. Illegal is cool, immoral not so much.
And - poll?
Agreed. It completely depends on the crime. I will steal cars and rob banks all day, while dreaming, just for kicks. But when it comes to more heinous crimes like rape and torture and punting babies in the face, just to see what kind of hang time they can get in a dream, I'll pass...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmatters
Completely Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I voted "Its your dream do whatever you want." though, but I didn't consider really heinous crimes like that. :| Like, I mean if that's what you want to do in a lucid dream I think you might need to get some serious professional help because I'm sure healthy people don't even remotely think about doing that.
But yeah if I could take my vote back now: "Depends on the crime".
Poll! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6835S9S5A9.../Big_smile.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I have the same opinion on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I have fun watching things blow up because it's pretty exciting, but directly being involved in the injury/death of a DC, or seeing someone in pain, bleeding, or dying just doesn't sit right with me.
I chose the first option because most of the "crimes" in my dreams aren't so much hijacking a car as just randomly choosing one to drive around the street (among other things). Either that, or the crimes are part of a plot device, but even then I won't venture and take part in morbid crimes.
Agreed as well, I'm cool with violence if they're fighting me, stealing, and such, but rape and torture like others have mentioned, is just wrong.
I'd have to agree with Darkmatters, O, and Puffin. some illegal stuff is fine in dreams, like stealing cars and robbing banks. I do get into fights with DCs, but I never pick on DCs who are not threatening me or way weaker than me. Typically, I fight in self-defense. Sometimes I have to beat up some bad guys to rescue another DC. But I have really no desire to inflict pain or suffering on an innocent DC.
For me it also comes from seeing dreams from a metaphysical angle. I feel that, regardless of whether DCs are part of my psyche or sentient beings met in another dimension, It's wrong to inflict harm on them for no reason. If it's the former case, I'm inflicting harm on myself and destroying an expression of my psyche. If the latter is the case, it's even worse, as I would be harming another sentient being. So to me it's a lose-lose situation.
This exactly. Robbing banks in dreams seems like a ton of fun xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Last time I robbed a bank in a lucid, I got caught by the police. I was so annoyed, lol. I think I ended up chasing off the cop and then turning his police car upside-down. That'll teach him to ruin my fun. :pissed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancon
I attempted to kill my teacher in my lucid dream? does make me sick in the head? :panic:
This is something I've struggled with quite a bit...at first I didn't care. I don't think anyone really should care. It's really a way to vent some of your more devious desires. But, I have stopped doing crimes in my own lucid dreams for my own personal reasons. I think it really comes down to each person. (I mean...if you're doing crimes in your dream and it makes you want to actually do them in real life...then that's a problem. Not that that's the reason I stopped, but I'm just saying...)
If your teacher is that bad, like insulting you, then it's normal behavior, but don't do that in real life. If its because his work is to hard or he's giving you a bad grade, just study more.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanW
Are you serious? "Don't do that in real life"
As if he's going to go stab his teacher..
I was joking, go ahead and stab your teacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuppie11975
Crimes, yeah but I don't really have a reason to do any in my dreams. But I'm fine with doing pretty much everything in my dreams, and if I kill thousonds of people just as long as not a single one of them has to suffer pain. I value my own morality pretty high and one of the most important points is no torture of any kind, neither against animals nor humans nor any other lifeforms.
I'd have to say I can be quite evil in my dreams. Abusing powers and killing DC that I haven't talked to or know is not a problem for me. I have no desire to inflict pain, it's just that I'm power hungry and love the feeling of being powerful. I would never do things like torture or rape though.
Displaying my powers and not caring too much whether anyone gets hurt. That's about how I look at it. After all, it's just a dream. I do have a goal to "become good," but that goal will have to wait.
:-? i Think that depends on the teacher...Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanW
No , just kidding. I don't think your mad unless you can think back at it and be like "ah, good times, good times"
I think it depends on the crime. I think it's a part of the freedom in the lucid dreams to do something that is normally restricted by rules. But not things that involves hurting or killing DCs...
Yeah, I now most of this has already been said...:(
To those of you who voted "It depends on the crime": Do you play video games in which you kill people in violent ways? I know you have played a GTA game where you went on a killing spree trying to get six stars.
And it is my opinion that you should do whatever you want in your own dreams. Morals limit you, why impose them on yourself? I do very despicable things in my dreams, because it is fun.
I might only be able to talk for myself but to me the answer is fairly easy. Because things that don't fall into my morality frame aren't fun for my. That applies as much for my dreams as it does for the games I play. Going on a killing spree in a dream might be fun, even more if I'd have some decently good reasons for doing so. Torture and the like not, neither in games nor in dreams and even less in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seroquel
Is thinking a crime?
i hate GTAQuote:
Originally Posted by Seroquel
As long as you dont get desensitized to it and start to blur your line between dream reality and actual reality, it doesnt really matter.
I agree that i wont do anything brutal or anything.
Oh dear, even the thought of committing such heinous thoughtcrime shatters the soul!
Of course I have done things I am not proud of in my dreams, that's what they're for in the first place.
Other, I don't treat dreams and waking the same way, they have their own rules and their own "morality" so to speak, just trying to think of it as if I were in waking is impossible for me.
The feeling/sensation of doing a crime in a dream is amazing especially when you are running away from the authorities and hiding in random people houses
Its like an epic adventure
though when my DC does crimes in a dream its usually theft related, I've had a couple of robberies where my DC would use his finger as a gun holding people hostage LOOOL
:cackle: If that happens to me, I am just going to shapeshift into a policeman. They won't know i'm the one who actually robbed the bank! :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Naiya
Agree :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarflare
I said do what you want, but if the person has issues in real life and uses dreams to carry out actions of a serious nature, I would say that's a little wrong. But it's better than doing it in real life I guess.
I don't agree at all with committing immoral acts in dreams, and since illegal actions are *usually* immoral, I wouldn't do that either.
Sure, you aren't hurting anyone else as it is just a dream, but you are hurting yourself. Not only can it make you numb to similar actions in the real world (much like watching tons of gory violent shows will numb you to it in real life), but the more you do something, no matter what it is, the more comfortable you will become with it. Not saying you will end up really killing people, in the real world, but generally your tolerance and/or your tendency to consider such things goes up.
When you have a dream in which you can even decide to do all these things and do it vividly, it's a good day..
But I don't think anyone wants to waste his or her time on doing these things.
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Originally Posted by -InsaneKid-
Are you sure it's a fact that people's tolerance/or your tendency gives up when commuting violence in a dream?. Do you really think most people would decide to commit these crimes in real life?. I am sure some people would, maybe. I also think a lot wouldn't. I mean, there's a big difference between dreaming and waking life.
I myself don't care if people want to commit illegal things in dreams; as long as it STAYS in the dream. I am not interested in commiting crimes but I started lucid dreaming to one day act out. My friend and I created it and I plan to dream about it, being lucid and there is a lot of crime going on.*
Do I want to commit these crimes in real life?. Hell no. I just want to feel/experience the characters while being lucid. They may do bad things but it's a dream.
Edit; on my phone so I can't seem to edit properly. To one day act out a game we created about these guys, there gang members, a lot are into crime while a lot arn't.
Why do people bother quoting if they don't even read WHAT they are quoting? *sigh*
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Are you sure it's a fact that people's tolerance/or your tendency gives up when commuting violence in a dream?. Do you really think most people would decide to commit these crimes in real life?
Emphasis added to make my point, I think this answers the question. The fact I was stating, is that the more you practice and/or are exposed to something, the more numb towards it you will become. I don't think the majority of people will take this to the extreme and act it out in real life situations, but it makes the temptation easier to fall for. Basically, think of a limiting bar, the bar says, "This is how much someone can take until they snap and do it." The more you are numb to something, the more the bar lowers. Sure, most people may not ever even reach the bar, but it makes the possibility higher because it takes less. It takes less because the more you are numb the less of a "big deal" it feels like. As given in my example, if you watch tons of bloody and gory movies, at first it will be shocking and perhaps even revolting, but after a while it seems like "no big deal." To think that dreams, an often lifelike simulation, couldn't effect people in a similar (if not more extreme) way is absurd.Quote:
Not only can it make you numb to similar actions in the real world (much like watching tons of gory violent shows) [...] [T]he more you do something [...] the more comfortable you will become with it. Not saying you will end up really killing people, but generally your tolerance and/or your tendency to consider such things goes up.
Sure, things may "stay in the dream," but honestly, it still effects you as a person.
P.S., As if you didn't notice, I hate it when people quote me, questioning what I say without actually reading or acknowledging my point behind it. Please don't do that. Apologies if I came off rude.
Alright, I'm going to join this, just by reiterating the point I made earlier.
I definitely matters who you are. Doing crimes, even things as bad as killing and raping, in your dreams doesn't mean you are a psychopath! But, it could me you are! It all depends on who you are. If you are a person who follows all the rules and would never hurt anyone real in your lifetime, then doing some weird and (admittedly) creepy crimes in your dreams are not going to hurt anyone. Especially if you're doing it to vent some rage at others. Yes, it's a little weird and it makes everyone uncomfortable, but it could be this release that stops some people from actually doing these things. While I don't have the proof right now (but if you want it, I will certainly find it for you) there have been studies done on violent video games that have proven that this is a good way for children to channel their primal, murderous instincts. I feel it is the same way for lucid dreaming. On the other hand, there are the few people who might find this exhilarating and want to try this in real life. For those people, it is certainly wrong. But who can play the judge and jury on all things?
Someone shot a dream character that I liked, and was friends with.
I sliced that fucker into so many pieces with my beam katana.
BUT, I have never gone on a DC killing spree or anything like that. If someone evokes my wrath, then they'd better be prepared to die. (In my dream, obviously)
Do as you wish. It's not real, no one gets hurt, so why would it be wrong?
Some say that you hurt yourself, but this is just symbolism, it doesn't really mean anything.
If a person becomes so tolerant (from experience) that they feel they are likely to commit immoral acts in real-life, then sure, they should perhaps do less violent things in their lucid dreams for a while, but I don't see anything wrong with the lucid immorality itself.
It's your dream and therefore you can do whatever you want. It's quite simple! All of this talk about immoral acts and so on...it's very hard to define that to begin with. I mean, is killing an NPC in a game immoral? I don't think it is and LDs aren't that different from videogames. I mean, nothing is real, so why not? It has no bearings and no effect on your real life at all so it's all ok in my book. The whole point of LDing is to have unlimited creative freedom to do what you want with your own dreams and morals/stuff like that shouldn't influence them.
I'd go off on a rant here but I'm shattered. Long story short, crimes in dreams are fine. :shadewink:
welcome back.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Candlelight
AGAIN!
stop leaving us :crying:
1. I hate GTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seroquel
2. I'm not even referring to killing. I'm talking about serious stuff like torturing and rapeing a guy for hours on end "Saw" style. Honestly, people who lucid dream all for the purpose of doing that, might need to see some professional help.
3. Define reality. An experience as vivid as a lucid dream is almost the same as performing it in real life. In fact, what makes reality so real? So if you could do these things in reality and not get punished you would still do them? Yet it's immoral right?
Quantiq, meet Seroquel! :shadewink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantiq