Thread: The reason why it's a good thing lucid dreaming isn't well known. (A short read)

So you think lucid dreaming is a bad thing and keeps you from accomplishing anything worthwhile then?

What about all those hours you spend awake each day? You could - like - do stuff then too ya know?

No not at all! I'm sorry if I was missleading. I'm saying people will sleep all day. Eat sleep get fat eat sleep. But not everyone.


I'm saying there have got to be a lot of people that would get addicted.

Even if LD'ing is not very well known, wouldn't there still be a chance of a small percentage of LD'ers becoming "addicted"?
I imagine the *number* of people would be larger if more people LD, but I also imagine the percentage would be somewhere around the same level.

I'm sure most people can control things like this, seeing how it's only a small percentage who succumb to ludo-mania, alcoholism, and other seemingly "addicting" experiences.

Not sure whether that made a lot of sense, though I hope it at least gets my point across.

You're less likely to become lucid if you sleep more than is needed, your sleep just gets stretched out with more non rem sleep which will probably make you more groggy when you wake up. The most likely times to become lucid are before the last couple times you wake up in the morning.

The lifestyle you're suggesting would have the opposite effect for more reasons than stated in the above paragraph.

@Trevor

Really?


HUZZAH

I think Trevor has a point here, Whenever I oversleep, I usually don't even remember my dreams as well, this may not happen to everyone though. Also, if LD'ing were very well known, most people would try it, succeed maybe once or a few times and then just stop trying or lose interest because either they are not able to do anything worthwhile in their lucid dreams, there not able to control, or their waking life may just be too busy. The people who are naturally good a LD'ing won't need to sleep for very long periods of times to have long/frequent lucid dreams so they would not do that. So overall, I don't really think lucid dreaming has the capacity to become that addicting that it sucks you out of your waking life, but I do often wish that I could spend a lifetime stuck in a lucid dream. Sounds like one fun life!

Originally Posted by Zalak123

@Trevor

Really?


HUZZAH

In my experience, yeah. But not everyone is the same and there are other variables too.

It's like the opposite of REM rebound. One thing you can try is cutting off the last hour or so of your sleep for a few days, then take a nap in the day when you feel tired enough to sleep. Since the last hour of your sleep is mostly REM (If your schedule is consistent and not already cut off by alarm), your body should go into REM faster if you're behind on it much more than the other stages. This will make it easier to become lucid or WILD during the nap.

If it became mainstream I would have to stop lucid dreaming just so I could be different.

OT: People probably wouldn't stick with lucid dreaming because they might not get results right away and think it's bogus man.

Not to mention your body will automatically wake you up if no more rest is needed and from my own experiences, the longer you try to keep going the harder it will be to stay in the dream, so being addicted to LDing would require large amounts of ability at it, extra time to sleep and a lucky body that will do what you want it to do, not an easy thing to do/have.

I even if there was greater awareness of lding, your average Joe wouldn't have the motivation to pursue such an intensive art.

I disagree, in my opinion - if more of the world knew about lucid dreaming, or if it was taught in school (which would be the perfect age) then we would be a much happier, creative, less materialistic society.

Everybody knows about it, it's permeated in the media and embedded in our language. Films like The Matrix, Inception, Vanilla Sky. Stories of religious revelations in the form of dreams. We say somebody is "a dreamer". We say "it's only a dream" waking up from a fantasy or even more obviously "I must be dreaming!" when faced with the fantastic. We live the American Dream. Everywhere you look and every way you look at it is a new wakeup call. The real question is why people choose to live in willful ignorance. All it really takes is the ability to ask oneself one simple question: "Is all this real?".

Also a good majority of the population would just give up, if it was easier to perform for some people, then I'm sure tons more would do it. But there's a certain irony about how no matter how good something sounds, there's a proportionate challenge to get that "thing" which in this case is lucidity

Imagine if people were able to tap into creativity they never thought they would never have. People would come up with new ideas, and it would be harder to become prominent when someone can come up with something better.

Stirred is right, it just takes one question.

But if people just allow lucid dreaming to be their way of finding new things that could enrich their lives, it can make them feel powerful because they've mastered a skill that is usually suppressed by the superego (leeching off of F

What did Steve Jobs See? | The Doctor Weighs In

That's a little article talking about what Steve Jobs said before his death, there's speculation on whether or not if he was lucid dreaming.

It may or not have been true, but if you think about it, a man like him to be able to secretly lucid dream and come up with new inspirations that sustained creativity that would be distributed to a large population, despite having his ups and downs with the companies he was associated with had to have some interest in lucid dreaming.

Sorry for going into a different topic here, but the speculation on whether or not Jobs did lucid dream for inspiration is just a way for me to give an example on how the potential for creativity in lucid dreaming can affect the competition in waking life of being well-known and to be overloaded with wealth.



I don't mean to be some fanboy of Steve Jobs or anything, and what he says in the video above might not be related to lucid dreaming at all. But I believe that the meaning behind it can be related to his possible interest in lucid dreaming.

No rational and sane person would keep doing it if they see they start to fail invariably, you have to have a passion for lucid dreaming and keep looking forward to having them.

Out of all the billions of people in the world, people like him were dominant, and you could go into the speculation on "government" choosing these people to be idols, but that's just nonsense.

I think these types of people focused on their dreams and were still able to maintain a grip on reality to change the lives of others, which is why we're stuck living in a constant state of repression of expanding the creativity lucid dreaming can provide and just use it for our own pleasure, instead of also using it to be VERY omniscient with the general principles of succeeding in this world, and accepting our inevitable conclusion as medium to strengthen our will to live to have these dreams that create positive and euphoric feelings that can last for weeks in waking life.

I lucid dreamed before it became popular

It still isn't popular.

People would get addicted, yes...if you could sleep forever. But you can't. I think that if lucid dreaming did become extremely popular, it would help people with emotional stress and unresolved problems all around the world. From giving you emotional and physical, to being able to communicate with your subconcience to sort out emotions and better understand your feelings lucid dreaming would be a skill that would do great things to almost everyone, IF it was popular. So no I don't think it is a good hint that it well known.

You feel special though when you know not everyone knows how to lucid dream

People say the same things about video games and the internet. Some people may spend their life on those things, but many people have a life outside of it as well.
In my view, lucid dreaming can enhance your waking life as well as your dream life.

I think lucid dreaming is too much work for the average person to get addicted to. And in order to have good dreams, you have to have some experiences to draw from from waking life. I think that if you had no life, you wouldn't have much dreams.

My vision for the future would be a situation where waking and dreaming life is integrated, so that they work together.

To the: Needs lots of dedication. Most kids have good recall and sometimes natural lucidity, it is growing without knowledge of it that makes people lose the ability so if it was popular and presented to people as is, it wouldn't require that much dedication as it does later on.

I think I heard the same argument made about Buddhism.

Something like, If everyone were enlightened we would have never discovered electricity. As though being free of attachment frees you of motivation in the process.

Answer: LDing takes so much effort to maintain control over that the habits one exercises to be good at LDing cross over to make them more successful in life.

Having the numbers of LD'ers be in the billions rather than the thousands would be catastrophically terrible. It would quickly become rule by birthright- those with a natural gift for dreaming and special talents while dreaming could seize control of the world. If leaders of major nations spent 10 hours a day sleeping, and a crafty oneironaut manages to infiltrate their dreams, who knows what might happen?