Thread: are you always lucid?

I'm not always lucid but lately it seems like I'm getting a lucid or two pretty much every single night.

I have a couple friends who claim to always be lucid in their dreams. One of them finds the concept of control rather mundane because they kind of got bored of it quickly and actually prefer the very rare occasion when they're not lucid. The other says they have absolutely no control and never knew that you actually could until I mentioned it, so they just go with the flow.

I'm not always lucid. I've heard that some people are natural lucid dreamers, so their dreams are almost always lucid. But i don't think there is anyone that's always lucid. Now for the question: I think those who are almost always lucid, find it pretty normal and are not that excited.

Ive got to get one of my friends on this site. Hes a natural and most of his dreams are lucid. Its sort of funny that most of the dreams he tells me about seem to be the non lucid ones.

I've known a couple people who claim to be natural lucid dreamers. The prospect of controlling their dreams doesn't excite them at all. They're too used to it. To be honest I fail to understand those people.

I am not sure I believe anyone is always lucid. I almost always have an idea that I am dreaming, when having a normal dream, but it is a very subtle awareness. So I do still have normal non-lucid dreams often enough. I have been highly involved with LDing for 23 years. I just started posting a dream journal here 8 days ago, and have had 10 LDs in that time. If you look through it, the dreams vary alot. In the Hawaii WILD I have extreme lucidity and wonderful dream control, to the point that no DCs or random events happened at all in a 90 minute long LD, and I could decide every aspect of the scene. It did take about the first 20 minutes to get the scene to have good clarity and color though. In the Astral City dream, I had good lucidity, and the images were in very high definition from the first moments. But, being a dream in an alternate plane that is full of entities, I could not modify the scenery or control the actions of the others involved. I could jump to the top of buildings, or spider climb the sides, but could not move or effect the buildings. In the two dreams before that, I am highly lucid, but my brain kept trying to make me be involved in a scenario, and I had a couple DCs that kept coming up despite my desire to just train my skills. In a couple of them the color and clarity would not cooperate. I even have some dreams where dispite being fairly lucid and having control such as easily levitating or making DCs appear or disappear, I end up reacting in a way that is random and stupid. Kind of like I have been drinking and have amazingly poor judgement calls.
I have not always been like this, I started at about 15 years old and had little success until I was 17. I used similar techinques to the ones I am sure most of you are trying. However, I am now turning 41 soon, and have 23 years of practice. I bet anyone could have as much control and lucidity as I do, but they would have to stick to it and enjoy every LD along the many years it takes.

I've been LDing since I was 10, so like for 16 years. I guess I'm one of the people mentioned above. Of course I'm not always lucid. But it is not something I try anymore. It just happens. I don't do anything special. One can say I'm a natural, but if you are doing it for 16 years, eventually you get used to it and it happens naturally.


I believe dream control increases when you become lucid more and more. Well as a child I had many nightmares. One day, having a nightmare, I suddenly knew I was dreaming, but I did nothing to control it. I was still afraid. So I thought if I die in a dream, I can wake up. Then I began jumping from higher grounds, I was waking up as soon as I hit the ground. So first, LD was like a dream exit for me. By the way at that time I thought everyone can do that. One day I watched A Nightmare on Elm Street 2, and later 3 "Dream Warriors". Then it hit me. I began experimenting with control. Since I was a huge Superman fan, first I tried flying. First, I could only fly when I jumped from a higher ground. Well for many years I couldn't fly any other way. I have no idea why. Then I learned how to fly properly.


So in years I developed many dream controls, and lots of different stuff. Right now the easiest controls for me are flying, superpower and telekinesis. I can change the weather, make something happen instantly which is the sickest thing if your imagination takes control. Now my goal is only WILD which always happened in OBE form. I used to think that I was in a dream world when I WILD, but now I'm pretty sure those are different astral planes.


I can easily say it is all about self suggestion and thinking it constantly. The more you LD the more it happens, the more control you got. Sorry for the long post.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I want to hear from people that are always lucid.


Have you always been like this?


If you learned how, how do you do it?


what is your dream control like?

Hi there my friend , I suggest you talk to OwO, she's a natural when it comes to that. All she does is go to sleep, wake up in the morning, and jot down the 10 breath-taking lds she had that night. Exerting no effort at all while THOUSANDS of people out there, including me, wake up every SINGLE night, and attempt a wild for MORE THAN 2 freaking hours only to find out NO SUCCESS at the end of the night. And even if we succeed with our attempt, most of our HARD-EARNED lds last for only 2 damn seconds! 2 DAMN SECONDS!


P.S.
Sorry bout that, i can no longer contain myself -__-"

Being a natural lucid dream does not make you always lucid. I am a natural. I had my first LD around 8 or 9 and can still remember it. It was another ten years before I even learned the term "lucid dreaming" and not only could other people do this, but you could actually hone this skill. If I am paying no attention whatsoever to dreaming and not working on it at all, I only have about 2 or 3 a year (depending on my state of mind). Even as a natural, I still have to devote as much time and effort as anyone else if I want to have multiple lucids in a week.

I like Roland3tr's post. If you read that and the one above it, it shows that it is really a matter of thinking about it constantly, and sticking to it for years. He has 16 years of practice! It would be silly and short sighted to be jellous of what he can do, unless you have been sticking to it for at least a decade! I remember how frustrated I was at first. My first dream goal was simply to see an image of me holding a sword. That simple goal took about 1/2 a year! Now if I set a goal, I may be lucky and do it in my next dream, or within a couple weeks anyways.
I just woke up and had an LD that is another example of how my dreams vary dramaticly, even after all my experience, and fits this thread perfectly. The level of control and lucidity change from dream to dream. In this one I had a very long running vivid non-lucid/ lucid mix. The dream went on for about an hour. In my real life I was contacted in a friendly manner, by an old friend who has been giving me nothing but contempt for 7 years. My brain wanted to fret over the subject in my dreams, even if I wanted a nice pleasent LD. In the dream I would be with him, his new wife, and his loyal friends. I would worry he really intended on poisoning me or what ever. Then I would do a RC, gain reasonable lucidity and fly away from them. I would screw around for about 3 minutes, then there they were again, and I would fall right back into a non-lucid full of all the mental anxiety. That cycle repeated 5 times! So, in an hour long dream, I am lucky if I got 15 minutes total lucidity. My brain wanted to work out its issues in a non-lucid, and fully intended on battling me for the right to do so.
I think it would probably be un-natural and bad for someone to "always be lucid" because non-lucid dreams seem to serve an important function.

Oh, just a P.S.- look at Roland3tr's and my dream count. How many hundreds of those did it take to get good control over things? As in hundreds! Effort and work, plus many years. Every one of you who is under 90, will get there, if you stick to it! Enjoy every step along the way.

@sivason Thanks. Yess! Same thing always happens to me I mean the back and forths. Get lucid, lose it, get lucid again and lose it. I think it happens because sometimes I forget what to do or lose track of time. If I have a goal, I can easily manage to stay lucid. Too many thoughts suck you in non-lucidness. If I go like "lets try this, oh no lets try this etc." bam! I lose it.

Like you said, it is all about thinking about it. I can easily say that the more I'm active in this forum, the more I WILD, LD and remember my dreams.

Ex: Look at my signature. "11.10.2008-13.12.2008 LDs:59 (22 WILD,3 DEILD,34 DILD)"

I was active in this forum during those 2 months. I was able to WILD 22 times.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I have a couple friends who claim to always be lucid in their dreams. One of them finds the concept of control rather mundane because they kind of got bored of it quickly and actually prefer the very rare occasion when they're not lucid. The other says they have absolutely no control and never knew that you actually could until I mentioned it, so they just go with the flow.

In my opinion, I don't believe either of those people are always lucid. I've never gotten bored during a lucid dream, and I've been doing it naturally for over 10 years. I just find it hard to believe anyone could consider it mundane, unless they aren't talking about the same thing I am. Also how can you be lucid and have no idea that you could control the dream? I don't think that second person has a clue what a lucid dream even is.

Originally Posted by nina

In my opinion, I don't believe either of those people are always lucid. I've never gotten bored during a lucid dream, and I've been doing it naturally for over 10 years. I just find it hard to believe anyone could consider it mundane, unless they aren't talking about the same thing I am.

Since there are other posts about people being bored with it when they've done it their whole lives, I honestly don't think it's that hard to believe. Maybe they just don't think of it on a larger scale, and some people just aren't as interested in this stuff.

Originally Posted by nina

Also how can you be lucid and have no idea that you could control the dream? I don't think that second person has a clue what a lucid dream even is.

They definitely know what a lucid dream is, and the thought that knowing you're in a dream means you must know you can control it is absurd. It's entirely possible for someone to just assume that you just go with it, and they may not even really have much control to begin with if they've never worked on it.

Originally Posted by nina

I've never gotten bored during a lucid dream, and I've been doing it naturally for over 10 years. I just find it hard to believe anyone could consider it mundane, unless they aren't talking about the same thing I am.

Hi nina, I do not ever want to sound argumentative. I know you are not saying this is impossable, you just find it hard to believe. I just started placing my dream journal online here on 02-18-12. In that time I have recorded the 11 LDs I have had. In LD7 and LD9 I specifically mention being bored (though LD7 uses slightly differant words.)
LD7 was about 45 minutes long, and involved entities on another astral world. I guess it would be silly to think they should always be having events or entertaining games ,but this time it was really boring. Here is the part of that entry*****"I walk with him for awhile and he takes me to a building. We go inside. It is like a coffee house kind of place. He takes me to a table, and introduces me to 4 more male entities. They invite me to sit down, but it seems crowded and I would have to sit very close to a stranger. I tell them I will stand. 'The Diplomat' hands me a cigerette, the first time I have seen anyone on an astral world smoke. How odd, I don't smoke anymore in real life, but decide to try it. Yep, tastes like smoke and feels hot. One puff is enough. They are just sitting around talking. I am not really able to follow the conversation, and it does not seem to be valuable teachings, just chit-chat.
I tell them that my wife has been sick lately so I am wanting to spend time with a woman, while I have the chance. I walk away from them and look around at the other entities that are just hanging around. "*****
LD9 Goes on for 90 minutes, and I finally allow myself to wake, when I did not need to. Here are a couple quotes from that one. *****"She feels soft and nice, but only about 35% real. I get bored quickly of this because she does not move or react unless I move her or put energy into causing her to act a certain way. Oh well.
I go back to the pool area and am feeling just a little bored, if you can picture being bored in LD. Maybe I should try shape shifting."***** and, *****"So, I went to the window and looked down. I was seeing things pretty vivid by now and the color had really improved. I jumped down and went for a swim in the pool. This dream has been going on for so long now! I just screw around for awile. Doing things like jumping up the buildings and diving off into the ocean.***** while I don't say I am bored in the last quote, it had been about 85 minutes at that point and I was not overly excited (just screwing around.)
I try to believe what others say, but sure some people make stuff up. No real point here, I am probably just posting to take up the few minutes while my wife is showering.

I wouldn't say I always lucid dream but it's a very often thing to happen. It took years of practice and learning techniques that worked for me (many of which came from lurking from this wonderful site ) But now that I'm so used to lucid dreams it just comes natural with little to no work. And as other people who lucid a lot now the dreams that always seem to be the most interesting are the ones I'm not lucid. I still love my lucid dreams but the occasional bat shit crazy dream you think is real because your not lucid is great.

Originally Posted by weakamon

Hi there my friend , I suggest you talk to OwO, she's a natural when it comes to that. All she does is go to sleep, wake up in the morning, and jot down the 10 breath-taking lds she had that night. Exerting no effort at all while THOUSANDS of people out there, including me, wake up every SINGLE night, and attempt a wild for MORE THAN 2 freaking hours only to find out NO SUCCESS at the end of the night. And even if we succeed with our attempt, most of our HARD-EARNED lds last for only 2 damn seconds! 2 DAMN SECONDS!

P.S.
Sorry bout that, i can no longer contain myself -__-"

Oh I feel your pain, brother. :''(

Originally Posted by Tkindle007

I wouldn't say I always lucid dream but it's a very often thing to happen. It took years of practice and learning techniques that worked for me (many of which came from lurking from this wonderful site ) But now that I'm so used to lucid dreams it just comes natural with little to no work. And as other people who lucid a lot now the dreams that always seem to be the most interesting are the ones I'm not lucid. I still love my lucid dreams but the occasional bat shit crazy dream you think is real because your not lucid is great.

I have to agree with this. I'm still fairly new at getting lucids, but I feel like the reason I'm so amped about them is mainly because of the novelty. I still think non-lucids are every bit as interesting as lucids, just for different reasons. Sometimes I like myself a little insanity.

Hm, wonder if I fall under that category? "Always" lucid isn't the case, considering that if I am stressed and have poor sleep will have non-lucids, went for a few weeks without lucidity some years ago because of stress, which only gave me more stress but whatever...

Anyway I started practicing back when I was 5, 16 years ago and took me 8 years to induce my first lucid. Don't think I ever gave up, and always try to continue with the same RC I learned back then (Gravity RC), that about sums it up.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Hm, wonder if I fall under that category? "Always" lucid isn't the case, considering that if I am stressed and have poor sleep will have non-lucids, went for a few weeks without lucidity some years ago because of stress, which only gave me more stress but whatever...

Anyway I started practicing back when I was 5, 16 years ago and took me 8 years to induce my first lucid. Don't think I ever gave up, and always try to continue with the same RC I learned back then (Gravity RC), that about sums it up.

This is really fantastic because it demonstrates so well that in lucid dreaming you get out of it what you put in. You tried 8 solid years to induce 1 lucid dream, now your ld count speaks for itself.

When you look back at the stories of the pioneers of lucid dreaming like Laberge they didn't have the internet, or even books on the subject, to learn their skills from, but they practised their art and it was long and hard, but they became naturals.

What's the moral of the story? Keep going and never give up, EVERYONE CAN GET NIGHTLY LUCIDS! It just takes time

I just realized thi5 is a dream.

It's all a dream......

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I have to agree with this. I'm still fairly new at getting lucids, but I feel like the reason I'm so amped about them is mainly because of the novelty. I still think non-lucids are every bit as interesting as lucids, just for different reasons. Sometimes I like myself a little insanity.

Exactly. Going through an insanely weird and scary dream for example is of course scary, but when I wake up I really enjoy thinking of the scenarios my mind created for me. One thing I've been trying to do for a while now is create situations like that and loose lucidity but keep the situation the same and see what I do if I don't realize I'm dreaming. Haven't been able to pull if off yet sadly.

If we are not wanting to call anyone a liar, and yet we all believe you must still have non-lucid dreams to be healthy, let's give the people who claim to be allways lucid, the benifit of assuming they only remeber their best lucid dreams and just have no recall of their non-lucids.

My girlfriend is always lucid and has very unhealthy sleep.