Has anyone tried to pray in a lucid dream or talked to any religious figures? I suggest you try it next time you're lucid and post the results here.
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Has anyone tried to pray in a lucid dream or talked to any religious figures? I suggest you try it next time you're lucid and post the results here.
This was one of the first things I wanted to do when I became lucid!
I wanted to go see Jesus and thank him for everything we've done.
But then I realized it would be just my imgination.
But hey, why not? Its some kind of thank you. ^^
Several members have had some fairly impressive dreams by praying at the onset of Lucidity. A certain marian Catholic was reciting the 'Hail Mary' prayer and he reported having been swooped up into Heaven by a huge vortex of spiritual energy. he doesn't remember what happened when he got there, but when he came out the other side, he was saying a different prayer, as though it were given to him.Quote:
Originally posted by Belisarius
Has anyone tried to pray in a lucid dream or talked to any religious figures? *I suggest you try it next time you're lucid and post the results here.
This member reported his apparent success to another member who then tried it herself. Not having much luck with the 'Hail Mary', she went with the "Our Father" was was taken up to a great Wall with cryptic writings upon it. I thought she was right on the very edge of Heaven, and the next week she got through -- she was presented with some Riddle of the Sphinx and was allowed to pass through into the Light of Heaven.. and was allowed to remember something of the experience.
Her friend, who had tried the 'Hail Mary' was intrigued by the success the lady had had with the Our Father prayer and tried it himself. Instantly an Angel presented him with a Book, on which the place where the Title should have been glowed with a White Light as the Our Father Prayer was recited.
I myself have had a good deal of luck with simple Mantras. Just the AUM Mantra was enough, one time, to tear a hole in the Fabric of Space, about 10 meters in front of me, to allow the Pure White Light to pour out -- large quantities of the light shooting directly into my forehead.
Intriguing! I'm new to lucidity, but I have been thinking about this type of concept. As I feel more comfortable with mantras than with praying, I will definitely try this some time. I don't want to build my expectations, but I'm really curious as to what you usually experience when reciting a mantra in an LD. I wonder about meditation in LD too. Maybe that will make the dream vanish. I don't know.Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
I myself have had a good deal of luck with simple Mantras. *Just the AUM Mantra was enough, one time, to tear a hole in the Fabric of Space, about 10 meters in front of me, to allow the Pure White Light to pour out -- large quantities of the light shooting directly into my forehead.
Oh, almost a half a century ago, my Guru came to me in a Dream and told me "a few seconds of Meditation in a Dream is worth thousands of hours of Waking Meditation". Thus the efficiency of simply floating up in a levitating Lotus Position and intoning AUM just once or twice. Instantly a great deal of Spiritual Energy will rush into one.Quote:
Originally posted by mtfuji
Intriguing! I'm new to lucidity, but I have been thinking about this type of concept. As I feel more comfortable with mantras than with praying, I will definitely try this some time. I don't want to build my expectations, but I'm really curious as to what you usually experience when reciting a mantra in an LD. I wonder about meditation in LD too. Maybe that will make the dream vanish. I don't know.
A friend of mine once noticed that chanting the AUM MANI PADME HUM Mantra would make him spin in one direction, while reciting that Buddhist Mantra designed for Japanese Nationalism -- the NAM MYO HO REN GAY KYO Mantra -- would make him spin in the other direction. It indicates that not all Mantras are created equal.
My Dream of the White Light followed a year of doing the Gayatri Mantra -- a rather long Mantra which I never did in a dream... but did in those "thousand waking hours", and it seemed to have an effect.
The Brahmins claim that Mantras must be pronounced absolutely correctly, but it must be a setup for a huge inside Joke, since every recording they release which instructs on the proper pronounciation of Sanskrit renders the pronouciations discernably different. Therefore, I can only conclude that one need only make a best effort to get the Mantra right, but should not be overscrupulous in worrying about Perfection of Pronounciation, as most people will suppose something is wrong, even if none of them can agree on just what that is. However, one can certainly aspire to get the AUM correct. It should start with an open AAAAAA which slowly rounds out through OOOOOO to UUUUU and ends in the closed buzz of MMMMMMMMM. If one decides to open one's spiritual chakras in the head, one might consider modulating the buzz of the MMMMMM up and down the scale in order to open up the various levels of one's Spiritual Being.
That's very inspiring. I love the old AUM (a.k.a. OM). When I feel fancy I usually do the OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. :) Looking forward to try this soon.Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
Oh, almost a half a century ago, my Guru came to me in a Dream and told me \"a few seconds of Meditation in a Dream is worth thousands of hours of Waking Meditation\". *Thus the efficiency of simply floating up in a levitating Lotus Position and intoning AUM just once or twice. *Instantly a great deal of Spiritual Energy will rush into one.
An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried.Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
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The Brahmins claim that Mantras must be pronounced absolutely correctly, but it must be a setup for a huge inside Joke, since every recording they release which instructs on the proper pronounciation of Sanskrit renders the pronouciations discernably different. Therefore, I can only conclude that one need only make a best effort to get the Mantra right, but should not be overscrupulous in worrying about Perfection of Pronounciation, as most people will suppose something is wrong, even if none of them can agree on just what that is. - -
A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed up.
The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself -- but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was horrified!
"What's wrong?" asked the hermit.
"I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly!"
"Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it?"
The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the hermit.
"It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little time to practice correctly before he dies." Just then, the meditator noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the boat.
"Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me?"
"You obviously don't need it," stammered the meditator; but the old man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced.
The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the island.
I'm actually hindu, and the thought of reciting our prays and religious mantras like OM NAMAH SHIVAYA., never came to me. My mom told me to says small prays like that unitl I fell asleep when I was little, to ward off nightmares. It worked, and now that I am trying to get lucid I will have to see where that can take me.
Leo Volont,
That experiences you are talking about seem really cool, im gonna propose them to me in a future LD, probally tonight..
Well i once tryed to do something religious in a Lucid Dream, I was flying and i said maybe i can go to heaven but then i lost concentration and the dream ended.
I used to Chant with the Siddha Yoga (Guru Muktananda's people ... now Gurumayi Chidvilasananda's Organization -- she's the World's 'prettiest' Guru) People, and one of their most beautiful Chants was the "Om Nama Shivaya". At one time I was semi-famous for my tabala drum playing and my beautiful chanting voice. It was not that I was so good on the drums, but it was because I would look to the strings for their lead, when many drummers suppose that the rhythm is entirely up to them. Well, its not. The String players would call me in as lead percussionist, knowing that I would follow their lead in timing, mode, feeling and volume (with almost a sixth sense of knowing what the strings would do next. They were always amazed that if they decided to improvise, that I would hit their same riff seamlessly... I think I was something of a mind reader in those musical settings). I could also sense when they were coming into their own highest ecstacies and would back off to let them have virtual solos, when the other drummers in the region would have beat it down straight through. So, as in other aspects of life, sometimes Discretion is in greater demand than pure Talent. I was not the Best Drummer, but I was the Drummer that the String Sections would call first -- I made them sound good.Quote:
Originally posted by mtfuji
That's very inspiring. I love the old AUM (a.k.a. OM). When I feel fancy I usually do the OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. :) Looking forward to try this soon.
Remember, the most important thing regarding Heaven is that one must approach It in the Angelic Frame of Mind, and not from the Demonic Orientation. You see, the Story of the Fallen Angels is perhaps only a metaphor that indicates that all Selfishness is rejected from Heaven. So in order get through those Gates, one needs to acknowledge the Supremacy of Heaven, and place one's self well under Heavenly Authority. One must consciously be a Team Player. You cannot overrun Heaven as some Barbaric Individual.Quote:
Originally posted by Blasphemy
Leo Volont,
That experiences you are talking about seem really cool, im gonna propose them to me in a future LD, probally tonight..
Well i once tryed to do something religious in a Lucid Dream, I was flying and i said maybe i can go to heaven but then i lost concentration and the dream ended.
it is the assumption of Marian Catholic, and those of the other Goddess Religions, that Our Lady is the Queen of Heaven -- that She commands all of the Loyal Angels, and distributes all there is of Grace. If one wants a Sponsor for a visit into Heaven, I would recommend one apply to Her. Perhaps the easist way to enlist Her Patronage would be to wear a Miraculous Medal ( take a look at this Web Site: http://www.marys-touch.com/Saints/medal/medal.htm ). No, one does not need any 'faith'. The Blessing behind the Powers of the Miraculous Medal specifically declare that all Power is in the Medals themselves and has nothing to do with the Faith, or lack of Faith, in those who wear them. I wear a 24K Miraculous Medal, but they can be bought in pewter from any Catholic Religous Goods Store for sometimes less than a dollar a piece... a couple dollars more for a 24inch chain.
A funnier and more worldly version of that Story ends with the punchline "I might not know how to pronounce your fancy Mantras, Brahmin, but at least I learned how to swim. So we'll both see soon enough whose life will go to waste!", as the boat sinks from a sudden storm.Quote:
Originally posted by psychedelic
An old story speaks about a similar problem....
the first thing i'm going to do next time i'm lucid (a nearly 4 month drought now), is to talk to my personal goddess and my angel.
the thing is that i rationally know that they exist only in my imagination, but they feel so real to me. i can't connect to them to real life, they always hide behind doorways and just out of my sight. i so desperately need to talk to them, and tell them how much they mean to me.
One of the last lucid dreams I had I prayed. I dod not have a preconcieved notion to do so either.
But when I did. Well I don't really know if I am experianced enough in this realm. But I don;t think I was ready for it.
It was a bit intense for me!
O GOD LEO NOT MARY AGAIN!!
and thus the antichrist is born and his name is, THE CATHOLIC RELIGION. poo on u. you might have second thoughts on your religious stance if you knew secret organizations run them to control society. i wish religion was true but alas it is not, sadly. something made us but i doubt man knows yet who.
As hard to admit as it is ... I agree with Jay Dawg. I think religion was invented to give people hope and something to live for. Personally, I don't believe any of it. I seriously don't understand how people can simply ignore factual, tangible evidence of things like evolution and believe that everything started with Adam and Eve - how naive is that? Religion is the sole reason everyone is at war today (Christians vs. Muslims, etc, etc, and the list goes on and on). It's just not worth it.
But back on topic - No, I've never tried praying in a lucid dream. Although I have meditated and accidentally drifted off into very vivid lucid dreams. Probably the same concept.
because some of us feel better believing in something.
consider it a weakness.
i don't care.
anyway having faith doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't believe in hard science. there is plently of non-contradictory metaphysical space for both to exist simultaneously.
but yes, certain organised religons aren't big on acknowledging many scientific understandings.
religon is usually only an excuse for war, war takes place for the usual grubbily human reasons of fear and/or a power/land/money grab.
in this case all wars are faught over religion, it is just ONE example of how religion is used as a form of control over society. after all we must KILL THE EVIL DO-ers RIGHT? i mean all of a suddon there are all these terrorists everywhere right? KILL THEM!! right?
people need to expand their minds to see that in this case it is just a war of religions. what is a terrorist? it is a middle eastern, who all happen to be muslum (just like our life it is sad that the life we live in controls us). if you hear on the news that 2 more terrorists were killed u are hearing shit and lies. what they are really should say is "another precious human being with a beutiful life of worth was gunned downed by an evil brainwashed american soldier today, yes he was trying to defend his own land against the incoming invaders. sadly he was murdered today." since when is defending your life make u a fucking terrorist? god damnit. what all these terrorists were just waiting for us to show up? and suddonly all these arabs are blowing up their own cars? who could believe any of this besides a drugged society. whats really happening is the army is having fun with their toys.
best advice i could give anyone is to never watch the news or read a paper again. you will have eliminated the primary source of lies and manipulation from the the government to society (YOU)
just let me set it strait i dont believe in evolution, in something out of nothing, in the idea that everything is an accident. i just dont believe anything man wrote down as gods words are true.
o yea praying in a dream may just be a way to mentally move you or help u in a way but its all in your head.
Hm. The Theory of Evolution is not based on factual eviedence. Like the name says, it's just a theory.Quote:
Originally posted by burns91
I seriously don't understand how people can simply ignore factual, tangible evidence of things like evolution.
People might think they have an opportunity to choose what they like, but actually they have an opportunity to choose between pre-set beliefs. Mankind is lacking imagination to realize what it's missing. People following the scientifical theory of evolution might think themselves as being deifferent from people believing in "intelligent design". Actually, not. Both are just blind sets of beliefs - no-one cares if you believe in a god of somekind or the scientific ideology, the important part is that you believe in SOMETHING that keeps you behind prohibitions from developing different views.
AND when you think about it, how we're here. Adam and Eve had kids, what did the kids do in order to continue the growth of the population?Quote:
Originally posted by burns91
I seriously don't understand how people can simply ignore factual, tangible evidence of things like evolution and believe that everything started with Adam and Eve
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Originally posted by queensofthestoneage
AND when you think about it, how we're here. Adam and Eve had kids, what did the kids do in order to continue the growth of the population?
uh duh? if the bible is true then the first creations were of 100% pure genes (not like the shitgenes we have today) and you could freak your sister and mom all day and you would still have perfect kids. duh
plus back then we were more animal like. seeing a naked bum would draw someone to it no matter who it was. you see as humans we live in manmade thing called a society. :)
I know I have been quite Manic and very silly in the past. But I hope to God there is someone looking down on us after todays events.
So all the fossils and carbon dating (scientific evidence) is just a theory? Nice try, but no. It's actual tangible facts that proves that organisms on this earth have evolved and/or become extinct (long before the Bible says the world was created).Quote:
Hm. The Theory of Evolution is not based on factual eviedence. Like the name says, it's just a theory. [/b]
Getting into a debate with people who want to continue to believe what they will is pointless. I'm simply asking people to open their minds, don't get offended, and see that there could be a completely different beginning to the world as they were lead to believe in the past. And since no one in this forum is the end-all-be-all of science or religion, getting pissed off at people for voicing their personal beliefs or opinions is completely defeating the purpose.
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Originally posted by burns91
So all the fossils and carbon dating (scientific evidence) is just a theory? Nice try, but no. It's actual tangible facts that proves that organisms on this earth have evolved and/or become extinct (long before the Bible says the world was created).Quote:
Hm. The Theory of Evolution is not based on factual eviedence. Like the name says, it's just a theory.
Getting into a debate with people who want to continue to believe what they will is pointless. I'm simply asking people to open their minds, don't get offended, and see that there could be a completely different beginning to the world as they were lead to believe in the past. And since no one in this forum is the end-all-be-all of science or religion, getting pissed off at people for voicing their personal beliefs or opinions is completely defeating the purpose.[/b]
more dumb people, im not saying if the bible is true or not but if it is then it is scientifically true in everything including the fact that yes bones are millions of years old and all. thats because we are not gods first creation. nowhere in the bible does it say time began 6 thousand years ago. even in the first few verses it makes mention of the earth and waters and the universe already being here BEFORE he started creating the whole adam and eve thing. he remade earth again to start a new game that is humanity. a sick game actually. most people arent smart enough to figure anything out but alot of people do actually know this already (just ask any jewish rabbi). thus the scientific timeline is still true aswell as the bible all at the same time. duh
dont make me get into the whole change of the magnetic field overtime. the earth could be even older or younger than any scientist could ever figure out anyway.
the point is i know everything if anyone wants to know something send me a PM lol
When prominent biologists claim that \"evolution is a fact,\" they are stating a half-truth that means far less than what they would like the public to believe. The theory of evolution states that the development of life is a purely natural process, driven by known mechanisms. But this is simply not true. There is no evidence that life developed, or even could have developed, by a purely natural process.Quote:
Originally posted by burns91
So all the fossils and carbon dating (scientific evidence) is just a theory? Nice try, but no. It's actual tangible facts that proves that organisms on this earth have evolved and/or become extinct (long before the Bible says the world was created).
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Throughout the 1900's scientists continually studied the fossil records to try and determine if the theory of evolution was really the \"fact of evolution\". If the theory of evolution were fact, then the fossil records would clearly show the gradual transformations over long periods of time that Darwin spoke of. But despite intense research for over 150 years since the theory of evolution was proposed, no instances of a transitional form have been found in the fossil records. What the fossil records do show is each life form suddenly appearing, full blown, without any apparent relationship to what went before it. Why evolutionists look the other way and call this a lie is incredible.
Despite the fact that no facts have ever been produced making the \"Theory of Evolution\" the \"Fact of Evolution\", many people still blindly cling to it since they do not believe in creation and feel it is the best and only thing they have to go on.
This one gave me a good laugh.(nothing personal).Quote:
Originally posted by burns91
Getting into a debate with people who want to continue to believe what they will is pointless. I'm simply asking people to open their minds, don't get offended, and see that there could be a completely different beginning to the world as they were lead to believe in the past.
In the past there was the Church, which's authority couldn't have been questioned. And now we have the Science, which's authority can't be questioned. Is there a resemblance? Since You seem not to believe in Intelligent Design, why do you have to believe in the Theory? Seems to me more like jumping from one set of blind beliefs to another.
And, to be clear, I am not protecting the views of the creationists nor the views of the scientists - I'm against both of them. These two seemingly different things aren't different. Both are created in order to keep people's minds on something unquestionable.
i agree psychedelic. so cleary you take psychedelics? know wonder you know what the heck your talking about. jeez lol
by the way just incase anyone wanted to know. darwin died a creationist. he was just smart enough to come up with possibilities for how we got here and think outside the box. but that doesnt mean he has to believe it. i think up all kinds of possiblities in life about anything but dont believe half of them myself. anyway evolutionists expected cells to be very simple and once they zoomed in on them in recent years they found complex levels of gears and computerlike parts and something so complex u would shit yourself. yes going completely against the idea of accidental evolution. its easy to think evolution is a possibility when you know nothing about the makeup of life (the theorists of the past). science cannnt help but prove intelligent design. BTW how did we evolve into having sex organs? kinda proves evolution is impossible eh? get high and think about THAT.
you can still believe a supreme being created you and still do whatever you want in life. i dont believe he made a hell for us to die in afterward. if he did then he is a cruel bastard. but i doubt it heh. imagine being him . would u do that to your beloved creation? not me
the jews made up an idea of control and to make the world think they are gods people. yes so perfect they must cut their dicks off to change gods flaw of creation so they become the race with bigdicks? gimme a break thats a freakish thing and made up. i do appreciate it but dang dont try and say its because its GODS NEW DECREEE
It is NOT that God is a cruel bastard, but that some people are cruel bastards. Do you enjoy all of the injustice in the World? You do realize of course, that without laws and police and even organized Crime protecting us from Unorganized Crime, the World would be quite unbearable for Good People. There is such a thing as Barbarians who would gladly rape and pillage the entire Establishment. Indeed, you must know that some people, if they thought they would do better by one single gold candlestick, if every law and institution of order were to be suspended, that they would fervently wish for such chaos. What do you think of the industrialists and capitalists who consciously destroy the environment in order to puff their stock portfolios. What do you think of the bankers who have locked in 10% Unemployment Rates as the optimum level of desperation for the working classes? What do you think of arbitrary managers who abuse their authority for sex and corruption? What of simple thieves, bullies and rapers?Quote:
Originally posted by jay dawg
you can still believe a supreme being created you and still do whatever you want in life. i dont believe he made a hell for us to die in afterward. if he did then he is a cruel bastard. but i doubt it heh. imagine being him . would u do that to your beloved creation? not me
Without a Hell, all of these souls would get into Heaven. Heaven, where there is no Police, and no Organized Crime to protect us from the Unorganized Crime. In a heaven where there was no screening at the Gate, every soul would be at the mercy of those who we were hardly able to control and regulate here on earth.
The next time you are abused or victimized, THINK about what your Eternal Life would be if that predatory victimizer were allowed into Heaven, free to abuse, exploit and bother you for an Infinity of Time. and now you see you would LIKE THAT because it would mean that God isn't cruel.
You have some thinking to do about the Wisdom of God.
well said leo, but the bible cleary states that the smalest sin (such as lust or just feeling good) is as damnable as mass murder in gods eyes. if there is judgement and if it is truly fair then most of us wont go to hell. but the bible says most are going to hell and the way is wide. perhaps there will be a judgement of somekind and a purging afterwards for a time but the only person who could prolly find out is a truly enlightened soul who could prolly astral travel to the highest plane to find out ehh..... BTW much of the bible is made up of dreams from men seeking god, the light. the bible refers to these things as visions or night visions. basically we were probablly dealing with enlightened people who used drugs (not a bad thing unless youve been conditioned/brainwashed to think it is) and most likely lucid dreamt all the time. i believe the whole book of revelation is most likeley one big lucid dream. wheather or not from god is beyond me.
if anyones getting to heaven it is probablly monks or the amish. seriously
I am fully aware of the splits and division within the Catholic Church. Christ Himself taught that there would be Weeds within the Wheat, so the existence of Evil and Corruption within the Church should come as no shocking surprise to anybody.Quote:
Originally posted by jay dawg
O GOD LEO NOT MARY AGAIN!!
and thus the antichrist is born and his name is, THE CATHOLIC RELIGION. poo on u. you might have second thoughts on your religious stance if you knew secret organizations run them to control society. i wish religion was true but alas it is not, sadly. something made us but i doubt man knows yet who.
Indeed, the Existence of Evil within the Church may be something of a Spiritual Test that every person must confront and either Pass or Fail. You see, it is like Lucifer tempting Christ, or Satan inflicting Job. A Trap is set where Evil is packaged in the Form of a Religion. The Worthy Soul who has Discernment will see the trap and shun the lightly veiled Evil. But the Evil Soul will grab onto such Evil and congratulate himself that he finally found a Religion that acknowledges the inevitable evil and sinfulness inherent in the Human Soul. But just because Satan can contrive a Religion does not mean that God must endorce it.
So, yes, the Catholic church has its evil elements. But certainly the Religious Orders and all those in the Laity who worship the Blessed Virgin are entirely free of all such taint. If there is any Evil, let the Bishops, the Cardinals, and the new Rat Pope answer for it.
im sorry what does any of that have to do with what i just said leo lol
Should this not be what you should be asking yourself?Quote:
Originally posted by jay dawg
im sorry what does any of that have to do with what i just said leo lol
You made your scattered and inarticulate observation. What, did you use more than twenty or thirty ill chosen words?
So I did my best to find some meaning in that to which I replied. I did not suppose you would be happy with my response.
But since I tried to understand you, maybe you should apply the same courtesy toward me and make an effort to find some meaning in what I had to say.
yet there may be some natural limitations involved. I would not expect my cat to understand these philosophies. At a certain point we must concede that people can only understand what they are capable of understanding.
So at a certain point it must be a waste of time to attempt to tutor you up to my level.
yea sure it is. i understood what u said i just didnt see how it had ANYTHING to do with what i said thats all. im sure u will still come up with a way to make yourself seem smarter than anyone on these boards but we shall see
You are talking in paradoxes. First you say you understood what I said, and then you say that you don't understand how what I said had anything to do with what you said. Now, it should have occurred to you, that if you DID understand what I said, then you WOULD HAVE understood the connection it had with what you had said.Quote:
Originally posted by jay dawg
yea sure it is. i understood what u said i just didnt see how it had ANYTHING to do with what i said thats all. im sure u will still come up with a way to make yourself seem smarter than anyone on these boards but we shall see
so... if you can't even get through one sentence without contradicting yourself...
Yeah, you're totally right man :wink:Quote:
Originally posted by burns91+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burns91)</div>Lol, Adam and Eve is a metaphor, ask any christian priest. All of the Bible's books are open for interpretatin. I think one should inform oneself a little before one starts to judge other people for their beliefs. I wouldn't start judging Hindus or Muslims for their beliefs if I didnt personally know them myself. Besides, you should know that catholicism and the vatican accept the THEORY of Evolution. They've accepted it for many years.Quote:
Personally, I don't believe any of it. I seriously don't understand how people can simply ignore factual, tangible evidence of things like evolution and believe that everything started with Adam and Eve - how naive is that?[/b]
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Getting into a debate with people who want to continue to believe what they will is pointless.