Unsure if attained Sleep Paralysis or just dream confusion - WBTB

Hello everyone,

During the night, I had a dream, that I was in a plane it was crashing and then everyone died when the plane ripped apart ( I know it's horrible). I woke up when I died. I knew I woke up, and then before the dream started I felt a huge, and very strong vibration all over my body paired with a very loud sound that sounded like a quick horn. After this I was put back in the exact same dream, only this time I prevented the crash from crash by shear will, tilting it upwards, more and more each time.

I was wondering if:

a) did I actually experience SP while still being lucid
b) can the dream that followed be considered lucid?

Thank you!

In my opinion, considering the sound and the vibration, you traveled from a lucid dream to an astral projection. More than likely from there you prevented the crash, or you went from projecting to lucidity to prevent the crash.

Vibrations and sounds are two indicators of astral projection -
- DreamBliss

^ That's a nice joke.

Vibrations, tingling and that horn-like loud sound are indicators of Sleep Paralysis. It definitely sounds like you experienced SP :)

I am not joking. SP is common before astral projection. As a matter of fact I can put my body to sleep, paralyzing myself, as one of many ways of leaving my body.

Yes SP is also involved when you are in a sleep state and are dreaming. Body's way of protecting you so you don't go flailing about or running into a wall.

Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming are closely related, and you can travel from one to the other. I would like to learn how to do this, and if I can get a handle on my dreams I will.
- DreamBliss

^ Not closely related, but AP and LD is the same thing. It's just that people like you want to believe that AP is something supernatural :)

The thread starter experienced SP, that's almost 100% sure.

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^ Not closely related, but AP and LD is the same thing. It's just that people like you want to believe that AP is something supernatural :)

The thread starter experienced SP, that's almost 100% sure.

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Thank you for the response!

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Originally Posted by littlezoe

^ Not closely related, but AP and LD is the same thing. It's just that people like you want to believe that AP is something supernatural :)

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Ah! I see! You're one of those folks! One of the people, like the author of Soul Flight, that say everything is in our head. Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but consider this...

I have now lucid dreamed and projected. In lucid dreams during a normal dream I take control and "wake up" in my dream. Things get slightly more detailed (before there was a drastic increase in detail) and I interact with my dream world in the same way as I interact with this world, sans this world's rules, once I can overcome my habitual response to "reality" and fly around (for example) because in a dream I can, even though in "reality" I can't, well at least not using just my body.

But to initiate a projection is completely different, and my experience is different. In projecting I enter a dream-like or trance state then "click out." I am not in a dream before I project. I enter directly into the experience. I remember very little beyond the feeling of falling/snapping into my body, which is very pronounced. I do not experience any of this while lucid dreaming. Also unlike lucid dreaming the world I am interacting with, at best, is consigned to daydream-like impressions. Very vague, hard-to-remember (and I am a faithful Dream Journal keeper) blurry, but somehow more real. It's just a different experience for me than a lucid dream.

So in my mind, because the way to initiate both experiences is different, because each experience is different, and the way each experience feels is different, that the experiences themselves must be different. But that of course this is my opinion, my belief, and I am certainly open to being proven wrong.
- DreamBliss

DreamBliss, the APs that you mention are that kind that two people can't meet each other and both "wake" and remember everything that "happened"?

I actually don't believe this kind of thing, but I also never found a good explanation of what it really is.

This doesn't sound like sleep paralysis. It sounds more like general hypnagogia. Vibrations and loud sounds are very common as we are entering dreams. Technically, sleep paralysis requires the feeling of paralysis, and all the specific associated hallucinations. It is all related, and the two can overlap. There is a lot of weird stuff going on when we are just falling asleep or waking up.

Not to gang up on you, DreamBliss, but I would have to agree that there is no real difference between AP and WILD. Unless you have some reason to believe you went to some place other than a dream, why not just call it another type of dream? There are so many different types of dreams, it is odd to single out one type. Of course, you can believe whatever you want. That is the cool thing about dreams. They all happen in our minds anyways, so who cares what anyone else thinks.

Everyone seemed to ignore part B.

You definitely had dream control, but only can say whether or not YOU realized you were dreaming. If you knew it was a dream, you were lucid.

Err... I missed answering that one! Thanks RebelSeven!

@Rubens and Robot_Butler

The thing with astral projections, at least from my reading of those who have experienced it and my personal experiences, such as they are, is that you are not in your mind. That's they key I was trying to point out here. You actually leave your body, and from there can travel to various "vibrational states" as William Buhlman calls them. One of them, a lower state where it seems folks who die suddenly get stuck and don't know they're dead (Bruce Moen's Soul Retrieval process details this) looks a lot like physical reality. All these states are layered over each other, the higher you vibrate the higher states you reach. In any case the difference here is that you can actually go somewhere to someone, observe them doing something, return to your body, call them up and ask them (for example), "Hey, were you just on the toilet reading a month old issue of Mad Magazine?" and if they answer with, "How the #$$#% did you know that?!!" you have just verified that you visited them while in an energetic form outside your body. Obviously you can't do this in a lucid dream, although you could have a precognitive dream in which you see the scene, but that is unlikely.

This is the best way I know how to explain the difference. Dreams are in your head for the most part. It's your mental energy you are traveling with or in. Projections are outside your head, your physical body itself for that matter. You travel at an energetic level beyond just the mind, call it spirit if you like or your true essence. Basically whatever is inside you that is driving the organic machine you call your body steps out for a bit and takes a look around.
- DreamBliss

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Ah! I see! You're one of those folks! One of the people, like the author of Soul Flight, that say everything is in our head. Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but consider this...

I have now lucid dreamed and projected. In lucid dreams during a normal dream I take control and "wake up" in my dream. Things get slightly more detailed (before there was a drastic increase in detail) and I interact with my dream world in the same way as I interact with this world, sans this world's rules, once I can overcome my habitual response to "reality" and fly around (for example) because in a dream I can, even though in "reality" I can't, well at least not using just my body.

But to initiate a projection is completely different, and my experience is different. In projecting I enter a dream-like or trance state then "click out." I am not in a dream before I project. I enter directly into the experience. I remember very little beyond the feeling of falling/snapping into my body, which is very pronounced. I do not experience any of this while lucid dreaming. Also unlike lucid dreaming the world I am interacting with, at best, is consigned to daydream-like impressions. Very vague, hard-to-remember (and I am a faithful Dream Journal keeper) blurry, but somehow more real. It's just a different experience for me than a lucid dream.

So in my mind, because the way to initiate both experiences is different, because each experience is different, and the way each experience feels is different, that the experiences themselves must be different. But that of course this is my opinion, my belief, and I am certainly open to being proven wrong.
- DreamBliss

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Ugh... i'm not sure we should start this argument here.

All i'll say now is that you can experience that "AP feeling" in Lucid Dreams as well. Lucids can feel different and different each time. Since you believe that these two are different things, your brain remembers what feelings you expect from "AP" and from LD, and it'll provide those. If you would expect the LD feelings when entering an "AP", you would get that.... it's simple.

No need to start an argument here or anywhere else for that matter :D

Just one last parting genteel barb... When I projected for the first time I had to expectations whatsoever. I knew what others had experienced and written about. I knew some of the common signs. But what I experienced was unlike anything I had read about.

Same for lucid dreams. I had no expectations there either. I just gained control of my first dream and experienced. In later lucid dreams I never knew what was coming. I certainly didn't expect a vine to attack me!

I practice being present minded, a lot of meditation. I try to go into new experiences knowing what others have encountered, so I am a little prepared in case the same thing happens to me, but I have no expectations of what I will see or do, I do not base my experiences on those of others. I just let things happen. Go with the flow. Recently I have set targets for when I project. But I have no expectations there either. In fact I really don't know what to expect in my continued travels. Will I gain more awareness? Will I reach my target? What will that reality look like? I don't waste time and energy imagining and daydreaming. I act and experience. Simple as that.

Really I'm starting to believe that this is how life is meant to be lived. No looking backwards, no looking straight ahead, just looking around, right here, right now, make a choice, see what happens, make another choice, experience and enjoy the experience. Help others experience and enjoy the experience. Be God's Hands to others around you.

Simply... Experience, not expectation.
- DreamBliss