Its been one month or more since i tried lucid dreaming.I practiced the DILD technique daily and got 14-15 dream calls but no LUcids at all.I am beginning to lose my motivation. :(
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Its been one month or more since i tried lucid dreaming.I practiced the DILD technique daily and got 14-15 dream calls but no LUcids at all.I am beginning to lose my motivation. :(
You should join one of the classes in the Dream View Academy on this forum, the intro class is very good. The lessons should help you with motivation, and OpheliaBlue and fOrceez can offer you some great advice. Intro (OpheliaBlue and fOrceez)
I suggest you try one of the variations on the WILD technique. Personally, even if you fail to enter a lucid dream, the strange imagery and sensations you get whilst trying are enough to keep you motivated. The process feels more 'magical' - it's good.
Also, I am nearly always successful with WILDs, but fail with DILDs... so perhaps you may be better with 'em too.
You haven't even begun to fail yet. I personally, and many other people didn't get a lucid until months after they started. Took me 6 months to have one.
Don't count yourself out, this is a marathon, not a sprint in a few weeks.
I must of been one of the lucky ones, took me a month :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalanche
Hmm... I still think, if you have the time, that WILDs are what people should aim for. Only because DILDs require more hope and less certainty.... it's ultimately up to your subconscious whether you notice a dream sign. Whereas a WILD doesn't rely on that hope of the subconscious.... it's all conscious preparation. Well, mostly.
At least if it took 6 months to successfully WILD, you'd learn tons along the way and get a conscious feel for that point between wake/sleep. Whereas with 6 months until a successful DILD...whilst you learn, it's largely unknown to you....it's unconscious. And that's just a big motivation killer.
Don't feel bad. It's been a whole year for me and nadda. Give it a little longer and see. Iknowthatfeelbro.png
You are building new habits, and changing the way you look at the world. It might take a while, but it is worth it. When I need motivation, I read other people's dream journals, or even my own old dreams.
You recalled 14-15 dreams in a month? That's a good start, but I think improving your dream recall would be beneficial. Try to shoot for a dream a day, maybe more. Which RCs do you use? Do you become more aware while doing the RCs? Think about what you were just doing and why. What were you doing earlier in the day? Does everything seem logical and make sense? Do the conversations around you seem normal? Performing RCs is good, but using a little bit of awareness with the RCs really helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarimdesert
Don't give up on DILDs, keep doing them. You'll have a successful DILD if you are persistent. It could be good to start using another technique in addition to DILD. As Wolfwood stated, you could experiment with WILD. I think DEILDs might also be good for you, or you could combine DEILD and WILD together!
I'll also suggest you read over Mancon's guide, Common Mistakes That Prevent People From Getting Lucid. I know that I'm guilty of some of these mistakes. It can be difficult to maintain confidence and motivation when you're not seeing progress. If you find yourself losing motivation, try reading around on the forum. There are a lot of fascinating threads in DV about lucid dreaming. Or start making a list of goals for when you begin to lucid dream. If you keep adding goals to your list, you'll have more reasons to want to succeed in lucid dreaming.
Good luck!
Yeah don't get discouraged, a month isn't that long anyway. I went for 8 years trying to induce my first lucid.
Remember, if you stress over it then that will prevent lucidity, maybe take a 3 days or so break? People often experience lucidity after a short break because the stress is out and their mind becomes more aware than normal.
Firstly you need to record your dreams first thing after waking, while staying on the same side you were on when you were asleep if possible. Simply teach yourself to wake up, don't move, unless you have to to write, and then record your dreams. Your Dream Journal should be right next to your bed. Alternatively you can use a digital recorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarimdesert
Secondly you have to address your mindset. You have not failed. You simply have not succeeded yet. Simply, positive focus at all times. No lucid dream, but you remember 2 or 3 dreams really clearly, along with your feelings during and after them, and have written all this in your Dream Journal? Pat yourself on the back! Congratulate yourself for your successes. Focus on successes, not failures.
Thirdly, you may be dealing with interfering beliefs, usually held by Aspects of Yourself to protect you. Did you have a lot of nightmares as a child? Are you religious? Do you have parents, like I do, that believe only in Heaven and Hell, and think anything outside of normal is demonic in nature? Look back. Do not judge. Simply notice anything that causes a fear reaction in you. Feel it, then smile at it. Let it go. Have a conversation at your Aspects of Self. Tell them you appreciate them protecting you, but you want to lucid dream, and would appreciate them supporting you in your decision, and transforming the beliefs they hold to positive, supportive ones. Tell the Aspects of Self that are not willing to do this to destroy themselves and the belief they hold. Give them a little free will here. Get them to stand with you or choose to destroy themselves. For more on this process read Bruce Moen's, "Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook:"
Amazon.com: Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook: A Manual for the Art of Retrieval and Afterlife Exploration (Exploring the Afterlife) (9781571744500): Bruce Moen: Books
Lastly we need to do a mind check. How open-minded are you really? Do you believe you can Lucid Dream? Do you really want to? Once again introspect. Feel. Do not judge, simply notice, feel and experience. If you encounter mind-closing beliefs and attitudes let them go.
This is the book I used when I had my first Lucid Dream:
Amazon.com: Lucid Dreaming for Beginners: Simple Techniques for Creating Interactive Dreams (For Beginners (Llewellyn's)) (9780738708874): Mark McElroy: Books
Keep trying, believe you will succeed, and if you can, act as if you have already succeeded. Tell yourself every night that, "Tonight I lucid dream" or "Tonight when I see my hands I know I am dreaming." Use your own unique wording. These are statements of intent, meant to be spoken from the place you feel intention. This is also covered in Moen's book. But just saying it, and believing it, will help you. Say it once and go to bed.
- DreamBliss
Guys i have tried the WILD technique several times as well but to no avail.. Here is what i do: Lay down on my back and try to keep absolutely still while closing my eyes but so far it has been nothing but failure..
wow, looking at people who have tried months to LD, i must be really lucky, i have had a few lucid dreams before i even knew what they was when i younger, but now in the past week when i have tried to LD i have had 3!, and i can recall atleast one dream per night and always have been!, I don't use any techniques to get lucid i just believe and think to myself beffore i go to sleep 'i am going to have a dream and i am going to be lucid' i impring this in my brain and it works.
I just can't wait to begin building up my knowledge of lucid dreaming, i really want to become a master of this.
When i don't have a lucid dream i don't get annoyed i just think 'ah it doesn't matter ill try again tonight' and i recall my dream i had in my dj!
What happens: do you fall asleep or stay awake with nothing occurring?Quote:
Originally Posted by sarimdesert
Um, WILD is generally harder than DILD... did you start after posting? If so a week is waaaaay too little, also need a better explanation of what you do, please?
It took me three weeks before my first success, which lasted about 1-2 seconds or even less. I woke up in shock.
These ultra-short lucids started to come thick and fast, but it took me 6 more years to get a longer one, but only after I'd given up on the whole thing and stopped trying. Three weeks after I'd given up and forgotten about it.. BANG! A stunning lucid of about 60 seconds, before I woke up in shock.
BTW In my experience, so-called WILDs (hate those acronyms) are much more difficult than getting lucid in the middle of a dream.
This also happens in case of mine. I have also had 5 lucid dreams when I didn’t know about lucid dreams. You should try again and again for LD’s. Remember nothing is impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond1995
"Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."- Winston Churchill
The guy that invented WD-40 had to work at 39 times before he found the right formula...
:D DreamBliss
P.S. I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I had my first lucid dream days after reading Mark McEllroy's book. All I did is open my mind, follow what the book said, and presto, lucid dream! But there are disadvantages to picking stuff up so fast. Less stability, more ups and downs, vines attacking you, long periods of no LDs, so it's no picnic on this end either.
Personally, I can't keep blindly doing something in the hope it'll eventually lead to success. Not if I can get feedback.... feedback = success quicker in all endeavors. Sarimdesert, describe what happens when you 'fail' a WILD, and we can give feedback specifically helping you on 'that'.
Say, like.. times you sleep, consistency, WBTB time, chemicals ingested, visualisation or the like done etc.
Simply waking up and laying still on your back isn't much to go on....
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Originally Posted by Wolfwood
Hmm... I try to enter sp but after 30-40 minutes of lying on my back and feeling semi paralyzed.. i give up. . . I have never been able to enter SP or atleast thats what i think..
Most people are only able to enter sleep paralysis during REM. If you can enter SP before bed, then you must really really be lucky, but since your not in REM, you wont see anything, you'll just be paralyzed. Long story short don't try it until after 4-6 hours of sleep. Set an alarm that will turn off on its own after a few seconds. Once you wake up, try not to move at all and sleep paralysis will come really fast. Then Start forming your lucid dream or have an OBE.
PS If you can, try not to open your eyes after the alarm goes off, it will help put you into sleep paralysis quicker.
As Hukif asked, you should really describe in detail what you do for both DILDs and WILDs, so we can help.
If you have not read tutorials, now is the time. For example - do you WBTB for a WILD? How long? Do you normaly sleep on your back? If not, WILDing on back is not a good idea.
Do you RC, practice awareness, mantras? When, which, how often? Do you really believe in them or you just do it mechanically?
Don't worry, we'll figure this out and get you through this. Just provide the info. Happy dreams:)
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Originally Posted by gab
Ahh.. Thnx.....
Here is the answers to your questions:
No i don't WBTB for WILD.I try to do it before bed and as Sn1p3r recalled i know i shouldn't do that.
Yes I normally sleep on my back.
Yes I RC normally 3-4 times a day by grabbing my nose and trying to breath.. Don't know what mantras are but after successive RC's and no results i do believe i might have lost my believe in them.
OK, now we getting somewhere:)Quote:
Originally Posted by sarimdesert
1. yes, WBTB is essential for WILDs. Without it, it's futile. At least 4.5 hrs of sleep before WBTB is recommended.
2. For DILD - just RCs are not enough. You should add some mantras and daytime awareness technique, like ADA or Puffin's DILD Guide - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views. Add some more RC. Put some emotions into all practice that you do.
3. Write your dreams into DJ
4. Read some tutorials - there is tons of more details that will help you understand the process. Happy dreams:)
Thnx but the main problem is i can't WBTB cause i have a really noisy house and Even in the afternoon its almost impossible for me to do WILD because of the outside noises Btw i do have a DJ.
OK, well then I think you should drop WILDing (maybe attempt at times when it's quiet) and look into DILDing more. I know you have tried, but as I said, there is more to DILDing than just doing a few RCs a day and expecting results. Please, read some tutorials. This one talks about DILD, awareness training and RCs. And here is one for Tutorial for Saying a Mantra - Lucid Dreaming - Dream ViewsQuote:
Originally Posted by sarimdesert
If youl'd like, you can join the Dv academy for DILD or any other topic for some personalized help. But please read the tutorials first. They have a ton of very good info. Happy dreams:)
Wow. I personally had my first LD after exactly one week by chance doing sort of a CAN-WILD (my cat being the alarm) that lasted about 30 minutes. I recently had another (SSILD) but I can't remember anything except I was lucid and looking at my hands.