Why can't dream characters answer certain questions?

I'm a little confused about this subject. While lucid, I have asked my dream characters questions such as:

What's your age/name? (I ask this to friends/family, not strangers)
What day is it?
What is a dream?
What is my purpose?

I repeatedly ask them these, but am never returned with a straight answer. (I've even been laughed at when I asked that last question.)

That got me to thinking. Dream characters are essentially your creation, created by your mind. And when vividly lucid, they respond to you however you wish. For most questions that I ask, I know the answer within the dream, but for some reason they don't. Why is that? They are my creation and part of my mind, thus, they should know.

Unfortunetely Stephen Laberge left this area out of his "bible". I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts about this as well or maybe some links to some studies done or essays.

Cheers.

All of the possible answers are contained within our own minds. When we ask a question, we would never receive an answer that we couldn't create on our own, because it is us creating the answer. Often I have asked questions, and known what the DC's answer would be before they answer me. Similarly, at times when I am not even lucid, I will be doing something like playing basketball, and I will put up a shot, and if I expect it to go in, it nearly always does. But if I am very uncertain about it, it will rarely go in. We truly do dictate our own dreams whether we take full control of them or not.

If you know the answer, why ask? Maybe they are always giving you strange answers because your asking silly questions.

I don't know though. I think dream people just like to be a pain.

why ask? to see what your subconscious mind has to offer you. seems like a cool thing to try once i get better at LDing

I dont know but maybe it could have something to do with how lucid you are when you ask. Sometimes i dont feel all into the lucid dream. Im there but im sortof out of it to. Maybe the day i become so lucid that the lucid dream become ten times more stable. I can have a interesting conversation with a DC.

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Originally posted by evolo


Dream characters are essentially your creation, created by your mind. And when vividly lucid, they respond to you however you wish. For most questions that I ask, I know the answer within the dream, but for some reason they don't. Why is that? *
Cheers.

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First, you are making an assumption that Dreams are solipsistic -- internal to the individual. Why such a limiting assumption? Particularly since any shared dream, or any precognitive dream would invalidate such an assumption. Since we do have documented shared dreams and documented precognitive and objectively perceptorial dreams, then we know that Dreaming IS effected by external influences.

Particularly interesting is that Dream Character will laugh at you when you ask them "what is the meaning of life?" Think about it. Why would they think that so funny. Perhaps it is the Irony. Dreams are there in order for us to explore just such teleological considerations. But apparently the question cannot be answered in twentyfive words or less, and so the Dream Characters just laugh. It is something the Dreamer must find out for his or her own self.

Alric,

There are infinte possibilities when in a lucid dream. I ask questions to learn more about the characterisitics of dream characters and overall the nature of the environment and what it has to offer.

Leo,

I would like to let go of the mindset that my dream is only mine and created by me. I've been lucid dreaming for ten years and have always thought that I am the only one in control. I have never read anything on shared dreams and I will be somewhat skeptical yet hopeful until it happens to me. (If you have a link for shared dream experiences please post it as I would like to gain information on them). If shared dreams are possible, (which I would like to believe) then the world of lucid dreaming is much more complex and vast than it seems. Bringing in another person's mind in the form of a character is an extraordinary concept that shouldn't be overlooked by anyone.

But would it stop there? If dream characters can develop from a source other then your own mind, would it be safe to say that spirits or souls of the deceased, or even entities from beyond this world, could fill the mold of a dream character? The knowledge you could obtain from these characters, by asking the right questions, would be groundbreaking.

That is, of course, if one's mind is able to let in outside sources into a dream. Perhaps all of my dream characters might not all be idiots as I make them out to be.

Laberge may have left that out specifically, but he talked a lot about how powerful expectation is when it comes to these things. It may just be that.

evolo, since everything is connected by an invisible force of energy in time and space, then wouldnt it only make sense that dream sharing or other skills such as telepathy would be perfectly possible? to aquire the ability to use ones mind's inputs and outputs as a means of interacting with the physical plane at a micro level would be the ultimate enlightenment in my opinion.

About 2 weeks or so ago, I asked a dream character a complicated question to which I didn't know the answer to.When I woke up, I looked up my question and to my suprise, my dream character answered it correctly.

So this leads me to believe that even though dreams are in our own heads, we are sharing dreams with other people, even if they, and ourselves, are un-aware of it.That is the only explination on how some one in my dream could of givin me a correct answer to a question that I never knew the answer to.

I think it was something on Black Holes and gravity but im not sure.

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Originally posted by evolo


I have never read anything on shared dreams and I will be somewhat skeptical yet hopeful until it happens to me. (If you have a link for shared dream experiences please post it as I would like to gain information on them). If shared dreams are possible, (which I would like to believe) then the world of lucid dreaming is much more complex and vast than it seems.

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See! This is what I was referring to several weeks ago when I warned of the Culture of Lies that has pervaded the New Age and all Such Stuff. Nobody can believe anything. So many lies have been allowed to propigate... allowed by some misguided sense of tolerance, as though Freedom of Speech includes a licence to assert anything for the sake of generating profit or popularity, that people simply do not know what to believe.

But I will say it -- I HAD A SHARED DREAM. It was about 40 years ago. I was a hungry student and dreamt of raiding the college cafeteria in the middle of the night. I met a lady friend with whom I was only just acquainted -- a friend of a friend. In the dream, we discussed the foods that were on each of the 5 'lines'. When we saw each other the next day, we both began to speak at the same time about our dream. We spoke simultaneously about what we and the other person had said, where we met, where we came from and where we then went. Each of us was able to convince the other that we were truly there in the other person's dream. IT HAPPENED. ITS TRUE. I'D SWEAR ON A STACK OF BIBLES, BHAGAVAD GITAS, and my Stephen Laberge Book on Lucid Dreaming. DREAM SHARING IS A FACT.

Dream Sharing being a FACT means that Dreams transcend the simple personal Subconscious Mind.

hehehe that was actually a good idea Leo. To swear by Stephen Laberge Book on Lucid Dreaming. That could be an oneironauts oath! In court one use bibles. In the world of dreams, and what one experience there, one swears by EWOLD :wink:

I also believe in Dream Sharing. But i have nowhere experienced it... yet!
Shamans and Sorcers have claimed it to be possible for over 12 000 years now so why not.

What funny is when they give you an answer you know isn't true but they spend like 15 minutes trying to get you to believe in it.

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Originally posted by Kastro187420
About 2 weeks or so ago, I asked a dream character a complicated question to which I didn't know the answer to.When I woke up, I looked up my question and to my suprise, my dream character answered it correctly.

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I don't know what question you asked, but isn't it possible that you had read or heard the answer at some time in your life, and just didn't remember it consciously? If that was the case, then your subconscious knew the answer the whole time.

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Originally posted by evolo
That got me to thinking. Dream characters are essentially your creation, created by your mind. And when vividly lucid, they respond to you however you wish. For most questions that I ask, I know the answer within the dream, but for some reason they don't. Why is that? They are my creation and part of my mind, thus, they should know.

Unfortunetely Stephen Laberge left this area out of his \"bible\". I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts about this as well or maybe some links to some studies done or essays.

Cheers.

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Laberge did write an article though, which you can find at lucidity.com, where he suggests that the LD has both lucid and non-lucid contexts fighting for control of the dream (this is why we can often fall back into normal dreams when we get too caught up in the things going on around us in the dream that are part of the non-lucid context). If you accept this, then your answer could be that the DC's are part of the non-lucid dream context and can therefore give you any answer, like in a normal dream.

I once asked a DC why they were here and she suddenly transformed into a frightening witch, rose into the air, and started yelling at me, asking why I dared to question her reason for being there. I haven't asked a DC a question since.

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Originally posted by Alric
What funny is when they give you an answer you know isn't true but they spend like 15 minutes trying to get you to believe in it.

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are u reffering to leo? i doubt he would lie

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Originally posted by TygrHawk


I don't know what question you asked, but isn't it possible that you had read or heard the answer at some time in your life, and just didn't remember it consciously? If that was the case, then your subconscious knew the answer the whole time.

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Its possible, but I can't figure out where I had read it before (if I did read it).I've been trying to remember since I read your reply and haven't been able to come up with an answer yet...

djv thats hillarious a little sad that it scarred you so much as to not ask dc things anymore but hey.. its funny

leo that is your only expiriance in your life which you expirianced that eh... supprising it only happends that one time did you and that other person get a long real well, were you both just hungry at night any ideas why or what may have helped to make this happen..

My perception of the dream world also leads me to beleive that we are connected, and that external influences are a common thing. I posted a little of what happened in my shared dream a while ago its somewhere on the forum its been a while so I dont remember where it is.

While I cannot say it is FACT I am pretty damned sure that sharing is possible along with Dream characters sometimes being external to our own minds.

You can see that there are different types of people in dreams, some are our own creations and they have a limited response ability and are often too busy doing their own thing to even pay attention to you, and then there are the ones that look at you and you can see in their eyes that there is a whole person. One with emotions feeling and intelligence. They are other dream walkers perhaps, or spirits that have manifested within our dreams, if all the hype about poltergistes and hauntings in the physical world have any bearing think of how a spirit could show itself within the nonphysical of the dream world.

The idea of connectivity is an interesting one, on the physical level, yes we are connected at a quantum level, when you get down to the quantum foam of existance its all the same. Scince is currently researching.. well in some cases even at the application stage of harnessing that force that connects us, its called quantum fluctuation for those half life fans Zero point energy, th gravity gun is way off but we are starting to mess with the ideas so its not impossible ;)
Anyway back to DC's

Before you go and rattle the people you meet in your dreams brains try and determine what they are. When you find the ones I am talking about you will know.

For me, its all in the eyes.

The reason you dont always find other DreamWalkers is becuase think about the area of the dream world... It actually dosent take up any space in the physical world now does it? So to me that would also be like saying that the dream world has an infinite area. So actually coming across another sentient being is tricky at best, we probably meet many dreamers but just dont know it as we will never meet them in the physical world. I have a feeling that when we enter the dream world we create the world around us. If thats so if another DreamWalker creates something similar to your perception the worlds overlap.
There is also the thought of certain places in the dream world being static. There are stories of Cities where dreamers congregate whether or not they exist I dont know but I will keep looking around.

Just keep exploring, and perhaps we will find one another.

What you need to do then, is get everyone when they go into an LD is to dream that they put on a bright orange jumpsuit. Do this for a month, surely at some point two people in orange suits will meet, then get everyone who meets an orangesuited dreamer to post it on here. If two people post the same meeting, then you have proved it.

I have never pulled off lucid dream sharing. I have had the same dream as other people on at least two occasions, but they were not lucid. I must admit that I believe that dreams take place completely within the dreamer's head, but I love looking into this stuff.

Dickie just made a really good suggestion. Because organge jumpsuits are what people in jail wear and that might mess with some people's heads, perhaps we should just agree to wear entirely orange outfits. Let's agree to meet at the base of, say, the Eiffel Tower. When we see others wearing nothing but orange, we will know to talk to those people, get their screen names, and then get a code from them, like a number or a short phrase or something. If there is something to it, one person can mention what person they talked to, and the other one can affirm it and say what the code was. Maybe you should start a new thread on that. I will be glad to, but you came up with the idea, so I'll let you if you want to.

That's a pretty cool idea, I wonder if any of the teams are doing something like that.

I'm full of good ideas, me. :D


Seriously though, I haven't quite mastered LD'ing yet, although a few of my last dreams I've reassured myself just before something attacked me "It's just a dream.", so maybe I am making progress. But when I finally get the hang of it I'd be interested in trying shared dreams.