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I don't need to watch this bull crap from media, media tells you things that aren't true, they turn stories around etc. It CAN be done, just don't let media trick you, just like in your dreams, it's all mind control. Seems like i am the smartest of the bunch in this forum, no one can tell me or us what is real or not and it happens, if believed to be done or not. I do not like media period.
Exactly, this is why i hate it when movies start to ruin novel books, and true scientific stuff. Never turn to movies for education. Movies don't educate they entertain only!
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Originally Posted by hathor28
Now after i just saw this damned news story, they talk as if no one knows about this and people who live in this world is completely dumb, i swear just watching that video makes me think "I am dreaming!" because really i am not that dumb! I started studying about dreams since 12 yrs ago, and i know what lucid means and seen the word before. You have to study it to know about it. Obviously we all are not dumb. Pisses me right off! :mad:
Yes that's my face right now. I am really mad.
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Are you real?
Edit: Oh, you're a twilight fan.
Disregard this post.
This is exactly right.Quote:
This study is a first step toward creating a neurological framework for love. Much like LaBerge helped pioneered a methodology toward studying lucid dreams, it's a gateway to larger amounts of empirical evidence from which we can further ascertain "proof," as you like to put it.
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Did you understand them?
I did indeed. I've read a lot of documents in my time.
This is the goal of the forum. As a group we want more people to ask how, experience it for themselves and share their experiences in this setting. The more attention lucid dreaming gets the more likely it is that mainstream society will take notice. This will create more opportunities for research as people take an interest and spread the word.Quote:
Not necessarily. Assuming they stick around long enough to contribute something useful and original, we're still looking at more of the same "how I ld?", "was this sp?", "i made a new ild!" in higher quantities than before.
And please try not to insult hathor. Not everyone has perfect English language skills.
Mainstream society has already taken notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by melanieb
Unfortunately, like most mainstream content, the reality has been distorted into fantasy and wish fulfillment that panders to the masses.
But you're right. That's in line with this forum's purpose.
I don't care if a person doesn't speak or write English perfectly; the ideas they express are the focus of my critique.Quote:
Originally Posted by melanieb
In hathor's case, there was a clear lack of understanding of the original content, peppered by wildly inferred motivations, victimization, and unnecessary defense. The flawed reasoning, combined with the inherent irony, hit me on so many levels at once that I couldn't form rational thought.
It was literally painful.
I wish to be helpful and clarify one word, since it was italicized :
What it means when you say "literally" - The Oatmeal
I think, that is impressive.
I'm still trying to decide if I should take some aspirin or something.
And the whole thing is presented set in the context of inception.
F$#@. ME.
EDIT: christ, they were getting along fairly well with their facts...and then they said that lucid dreaming is "virtually impossible to prove".
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Though some of the howling was most entertaining, I think you guys might all be barking up the wrong tree here...
The mainstream media, by its basic need to provide as much information to as many people as possible in as short a time as possible, pretty much never gets the story right -- regardless of what they are discussing. It can't, because that would require both the two seconds of research Mzzkc mentions and the ability to transform complex concepts like lucidity (we may know it's simply being aware that you're dreaming during a dream, but we are in a very small club) into sound bites that they are sure will be easily absorbed, understood, and enjoyed (the important bit for mainstream media), all in just the few seconds their network -- and, yes, viewers -- allow.
The only way media can do this -- about any subject -- is to draw on Zeitgeist, easily-grabbed and grasped pop-culture references (like Inception), and, only if absolutely necessary, a tiny snippet of "expert" opinion. Ask any real expert, in any subject, about their opinion of mainstream media coverage of their particular vocation, and they will likely just laugh.
I remember years ago I read a feature article about dreaming in general (with mention od LD'ing), and was livid: after all these years a major, credible, source published an in-depth piece on dreaming and they got everything -- with no exceptions -- wrong! Why? Because they weren't writing the article for me, but for the "mainstream."
The mainstream is another world -- their world, not ours. Let them have it, I think.
Bottom line: you guys are arguing about nothing, because any coverage of LD'ing will appear flawed to anyone who practices it, just as any coverage of, say, electric cars, will appear flawed to automotive engineers. To lend any credibility to -- or attempt to discredit-- a network puff piece like this is a waste of your time.
Let them have their little stories, and hold your faith in your own. If we're right, and on the right path, the mainstream will get it eventually -- the world was once flat, after all!
Urgh:roll: is that ALL you know about me? If no one understands my point of view, then so be it. Reading my profile, don't mean you know me.
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This is what i am trying to get across^, the question is WHY people don't believe it can be done!? I just clarified myself, to whoever didn't understand me. BTW the news cast act so dumb smh. They say they never had a lucid dream when they don't even know if they did. Acting like lucid dreaming is impossible.Quote:
The biggest problem it seems is that most people don't believe it can be done!
Wrong, I learned lots of stuff through movies. e.gQuote:
Originally Posted by hathor28
1) The ventilation shaft is the perfect hiding place, no one will ever hear you.
2) A cough is usually the sign of a terminal illness.
3) Terrorists go through the trouble of adding a lcd screen to their bomb.
4) All photos can be enhanced no matter how blurry
5) Everyone speaks english
6) No matter how large the group you are fighting only one will ever attack you while the others skillfully dance around you.
Everyone speaks english?? what you mean by that ?
>A cough is usually the sign of a terminal illness.> who "doesn't" know about that? You need to watch a movie to know this??
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Hahahah you do realise that whole post was a joke :P . I was posting the things that one could assume after watching a movie. I thought most people would have caught on to joke at "Terrorists go through the trouble of adding a lcd screen to their bomb."Quote:
Originally Posted by hathor28
:lol: People who don't recognize sarcasm are funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by hathor28
Uhm I cough all the time, you think I have terminal illness? xDQuote:
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This one is quite funny "6) No matter how large the group you are fighting only one will ever attack you while the others skillfully dance around you." I love "martial arts" movies <3
Haha yes, it always feels so odd watching these types of news segments on tv, it's like I have known about this so long, and know so much about it, it's like watching people talk about addition. "So there's this thing called addition, and if you add 1 to 1, you get 2". I'd love to hear real news about lucid dreaming, like breakthrough techniques and explanations for them, but that's far into the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by hathor28
I don't think people doubt the ability to be lucid in it's self, so much as the ability to control it.
Why are people saying there's no proof of lucid dreaming? Multiple researchers have proved it, including Stephen Laberge by getting people to move their eyes in certain patterns during lucid dreams, then in sleep laboratories they recorded eye movements during sleep, and their eye movements followed the patterns of movements they were told to do during their lucid dreams, thus giving evidence of lucid dreams
Interesting. This is the second time I've seen lucid dreaming related content on the news. A year or so ago it was mentioned on the local news in my area.
