The difference between WILD, DILD, LD, OBE, AP, ...?

Hi,

As you can see I'm really new here so forgive my ignorance.
I've had my first Lucid Dream last night and I've become curious like hell about how I can expand these abilities and make them into something consistent and useful to me.

I'm currently reading Michael Raduga's 'School Of Out-Of-Body Travel: A Practical Handbook', which is a free eBook found on obe4u.com

Using his technique, I've successfully managed to LD this night. Hence today I started looking for more information on the topic and I found your site. Now I've seen many mentions of WILD, DILD, LD, OBE, AP, MILD... but I'm confused as to what it all stands for and is all about.

It seems people have dedicated techniques to experiencing these so-called 'WILDs' but to me, it seems the very same is possible with Raduga's techniques (if not in a more efficient way)?

Am I missing out something? Is it worth trying other techniques and checking out these differences, or will the result be the same regardless?

To clarify: I'd like to have lucidity and control in my dream so I can a) know I'm dreaming and b) control my dream (determine what I will do next).


Thanks in regard!

Welcome to the forum and congrats on your lucid dream!

Here are some links that can answer your questions:

Acronym List - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
DV Tutorials - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
DV Dictionary - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views


Basically Stephen Laberge is the scientist who brought lucid dreaming into the light of day. He did years of studies on lucid dreaming and came up with a few simple techniques that we all know and love, like WILD, DILD, MILD. Pretty much any other technique just is a variation or builds on one of these already well established basic techniques. I prefer to keep things simple with WILDs/DILDs/DEILDs and do the exploring on my own. Other people like to have others do the exploring for them and then be told exactly what to do, and that's how all the new -ILDs and methods come about. For as many lucid dreamers as there are in the world, there are as many different techniques and methods. Some are more effective than others for certain people, and less effective for other people. So really, you just need to explore and figure out which methods work best for you. If Raduga's methods are working for you then stick with that, and if you hit a dry spell and they stop working (which happens often) then you can switch things up and learn or create a new technique. It's a constant learning process. Most people won't just find one method that works for them and only use that. Your body becomes acclimated to the method and it can stop working, almost like building tolerance, or reaching a plateau during weight loss. But changing things up with a fancy new method, or by taking it back to basics, are always options.

When talking strictly LDs, each method has the same end target - a lucid dream, although each technique takes you down a very different road to get to that goal. OBEs/APs are a little more complicated. Some people claim they are just a type of lucid dream. Some people claim they are another intermediate state between hypnagogia and dreaming. Some people claim they are spiritual or supernatural experiences. No one can really say for sure, and anyone who claims they can is probably selling something or lying. You'll have to decide for yourself.

Hi fred15654,

Here are the basics so you don't need to hunt through the forums:

DILD: This stands for Dream Induced Lucid Dream, this is where you realise you're dreaming inside the dream and is often combined with MILD

WILD: This stands for Wake Induced Lucid Dream, this is where you enter the dream directly from a waking state and you already know you are dreaming. There is no sudden realisation.

LD: Means Lucid Dream

OBE: Out Of Body experience

AP: Astral Projection

and of course MILD: Mantra Induced Lucid Dream, this is where you tell yourself you will have a Lucid Dream (LD)

If you're a beginner may I recommend the DILD Method, since it is by far the easiest technique for new learners. Here's a tutorial to help you along:



May I also recommend the Intro Class in the Dreamviews Academy, they will really help you kickstart your lucid experience!

Best of luck

~DJ

Hi nina,

Thank you for your thorough explanation and opinion.
I've read the acronym list; it contained everything I needed to know, thanks for that!

I firmly agree with you that every person should seek its own ways of understand and practice.
I will do as you say and experiment on with my current techniques, and –should these become obsolete– I now know where to look for new ones.

One final question: I've heard people recommend to take breaks in-between your LDs, meaning do no more than 3/week (or never do one on the very next day).
From your own experience, do you think this matters or can I try every night (even if I fail) ?

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Hi DJ,

Thanks for your fine explanation!
It expands upon what I already knew; very helpful links too!
I'll look into the tutorials!

Thanks once again!

The WILD, DILD, MILD, LD, DEILD - these are Lucid Dreaming related terms.

The AP and OBE are Astral projection/Out of body related terms.

What Raduga is talking about is AP/OBE. Some people believe, that they don't exist, or they are "just" a WILD lucid dream. By the same token, WILDs could be called "just" OBEs. It's really up to you to decide, what you believe in. But the DILDs are little different.

So the techniques on Raduga's web are for achieving OBE/AP. Some of the descriptions of exiting into OBE are just like exiting into WILD Lucid dream, at least to certain point. I believe, that the main difference is, where you end up after peforming either OBE technique or lucid dream technique.

On Dreamviews, with exception of "Beyond dreaming", pretty much all forums talk about Lucid dreaming.

If I may, I would suggest you look at them as two similar, but not identical topics and that's why you should read up on both of them. That way YOU will be able to tell what the differences are.
You already reading up on OBEs, and here you can read about LDs in this tutorial.

Please ask, if you have any more questions. Feel free to PM me, if don't feel like posting. Happy dreams:alien:

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Originally Posted by fred15654

One final question: I've heard people recommend to take breaks in-between your LDs, meaning do no more than 3/week (or never do one on the very next day).
From your own experience, do you think this matters or can I try every night (even if I fail) ?

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I don't know where you've heard that but it's completely false. You can have LD's every night, even more than one a night.
So after reading through the tutorials have you figured out which technique you used?

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Originally Posted by fred15654

One final question: I've heard people recommend to take breaks in-between your LDs, meaning do no more than 3/week (or never do one on the very next day).
From your own experience, do you think this matters or can I try every night (even if I fail) ?

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I'm sure, this is restriction is ONLY when you take supplements like Galantamine + Choline and possibly others. They need time to clear out of your system, that's why you need a 2 day break between tries. But if you not taking those, you can try as many times as you can and want. Don't know of any ill effect, other than you getting disappointed from not achieving lucidity, but you can get that even if you try just once a year. :alien:

Thank you all for your helpful advice and input!

I've read through the acronyms and explanations once more and I feel I don't quite understand the difference between WILD and AP.
From what I understand, a WILD is when you make your body fall asleep but let your mind stay awake.
It's like consciously entering the dream-state.

However, an AP is rather vaguely described as seperating your astral body from your material one.
According to Raduga, this is exactly what I've done.

To clarify, here's what I did last night:
I went to bed at midnight. I set an alarm at 6am and woke up, had a drink and thought about what I wanted to do in my dream.
I then went to bed again. I woke up later and immediately remembered that I had to start doing the 'axis-roll' technique (or any other),
so as to separate my consciousness from my body.
I succeeded and proceeded into the dream-plane, where I had an ordinary dream but with lucidity and control over my actions.
I eventually lost control and it transitioned into a normal dream, but I know that for the first few moments, I had full, conscious control.

Additionally, I could also see my body on the bed.

Is this considered AP or just a WILD?


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On the limit: my current technique doesn't involve any drugs so I'm glad to read I can try again this night!
Thanks for letting me know!

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Originally Posted by fred15654

Additionally, I could also see my body on the bed.

Is this considered AP or just a WILD?

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All I can say is to have more experiences, so you can tell if there is a difference FOR YOU, between when you AP and when you WILD.

I personally believe in both, because I had experiences, that were different from each other. From what I have read, you see your sleeping body in AP/OBE. Another way is to look for the silver cord connecting your astral body to your sleeping body, and to look at your hands. They should look different in AP/OBE than in LD.

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Originally Posted by gab

Another way is to look for the silver cord connecting your astral body to your sleeping body, and to look at your hands. They should look different in AP/OBE than in LD.

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Thanks for the tips, gab!
I'm going to try this as we speak so have a good night (or day) for now and I'll see what I can come up with tonight.

All I can say is... wow. This dream exploration/theorizing got me hooked badly already!

Don't really try to label your experiences at first just take not of them as experiences. Honestly they're all the same, experiences in the non-physical but they're on different levels of awareness from what I've read in the past.