Dream logic during WL... Is it possible?

Sometimes, when I'm falling asleep, I found my self somehow stuck while thinking in an abstract way. I.e. I'm seeing a bouncing yellow square moving along a skeptic bridge on the side of a chilly river, every thing there has perfect sense to me. Then, when I realize it, the hole scene fades out and I'm not able to remember all the steps I followed to get there from the original thought which was: How to make something move slower.
On the other hand, it's known the fact that the use of certain drugs could led the brain to see WL in a dream-like state.

I think both situations could be using in different ways the same logic to build such imagery or hallucinations.

My question is: If it's possible to bring our WL logic inside a dream, could it be possible to do the opposite? I mean, to somehow train the brain to consciously 'think' using the dream-logic during WL?

You were almost dreaming when that happened. Drugs change how you think chemically, it doesn't "train" your brain to do that. I think it's possible that we could do something to make that happen, some people have said they've had experiences like that from meditation. I think there are a lot of things we can do but haven't discovered it yet. Who knows, maybe something as crazy as eating certain combinations of cereal while spinning on your head singing All You Need is Love could do something unusual...

You're right, drugs are not a good example to explain it due to they could lead to misinterpretations, I didn't mean to look for any drug or supplements or whatever external to the body in order to do that since we already have our own, true and safe chemicals (seratonin, melatonin, etc.) working inside. Drugs just infringe and possibly damage that system.

I was wondering about the mechanisms that the brain uses to produce such imagery combining both symbols and rational thinking in one single scene. I think it's called something like 'Abstract thinking' or so. When I said that everything had perfect sense to me about that imagery in my mind, I meant that i.e. 'the yellow square' at the beginning was something more rational, something like 'The man who always smile in the crowd' (It's the closest example I can find) and every element in the scene had its rational source when I went to sleep. Then, my thoughts stopped being translated into words and I started to think in an different but rational way, where a lot of things were said in just two or three alterations of the scene. I think it could be part of the basic structure how dreams are built. I'm still wondering how could it be possible to reach that level of thinking, without words and only with imagery, in a rational way during waking life.

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Originally Posted by Box77

I'm still wondering how could it be possible to reach that level of thinking

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Don't sleep for a week :lol:

It's interesting to see that if I would start thinking that way after that long time of sleep deprivation, most probably I would fall asleep, which could be exactly the opposite when one starts to think rationally during a dream and wakes up.

This topic really interests me. I've tried to catch some of those thoughts as I'm falling asleep, but any time I examine one it falls apart. It's like the train of thought is impossible to reconstruct logically. It's not even as if it's just a chain of unrelated words or symbols; at the time of thinking there definitely seems to be some sort of semantic linkage between the constituent concepts.

I actually agree that sleep deprivation could bring this thought style closer to the waking state. There have been rough mornings after a night of no sleep that this sort of thinking has started to creep into my head. Never as free-flowing or bizarre, though. When I start to notice it, I usually just take it as a sign I should get some sleep- and then do so.

I get the same thing. I'll be falling asleep, slowly crawling towards the border, and I sort of slip into these weird worlds of thought. Sometimes they involve images, often just trains of thought, and if at any point I become aware of these thoughts, they completely vanish without a trace. I'll know I was just thinking something, and I'll know that it was weird and 'nonsensical', but I can never remember what it was even slightly. Very strange feeling.

Perhaps, it was the left brain or the logic center where the first thoughts took place and while falling asleep, gradually, this part of the brain was slowly being turned off, and it was the right brain which started to process all the information. Then, when we realized it, possibly we turned on again the logic center and we just saw the results. It could be something like seeing just the answer for a math problem but not all the followed procedures due to they were 'on the other sheet'... I'm starting to think that my left side of my brain is some sort of 'Dictator of mind'.