It seems to me when I wake up in the morning sometimes I first enter into a period of Lucid Dreaming, then not wanting to leave the dream I choose to continue the dream as a Day Dream, does this make sense?
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It seems to me when I wake up in the morning sometimes I first enter into a period of Lucid Dreaming, then not wanting to leave the dream I choose to continue the dream as a Day Dream, does this make sense?
"when I wake up in the morning".. Does this mean you wake up, fall back asleep and go lucid? Because that sounds like a DEILD to me :D
And yea, that makes sense to want to continue the dream in your mind during your waking hours. That even seems like dream incubation, and you can use that to mold your dreams if you want to dream about it more often.
If you want some more info: http://www.dreamviews.com/f45/dream-...torial-130133/
Good luck :)
Day dreams in a half asleep state can be very fun. In fact if you lay still and are comfortable, you may transition back into a true lucid dream state. At the very least these kinds of day dreams can almost be like actual dreams.
No I do not believe he is refering to a lucid dream. What he means is that he woke up (still kinda half awake) decided that he wanted the dream to go on so started imagining it again, however the "dream" almost instantly takes over and you are kinda a spectator. The whole time throughout the experience you feel a tiny amount of awareness, not that you are dreaming but that you initiated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paigeyemps
I can't believe there is no word for it, this has been brought up like 10 times now.
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Originally Posted by dutchraptor
Ahh, that is very interesting :O Thanks dutchraptor :)
Yes I do that often, countless times. Especially when I'm depressed and don't feel like waking up to this world, I just stay there and enjoy these mild dreams for hours :D
Two words: Simulated Lucidity.
You dream that you know that you are dreaming. At the time it feels like you are lucid, when you wake up you realize you wasn't.
(It's a strange concept I know... But when you experience full lucidity after this, you will understand the difference.)
However it's not far from being aware that one is dreaming. So look foward to the next night ;)
Not sure if that is what james1951 is refering to.
I think he's talking about choosing to continue the dream while awake leading to continuation in an half asleep state. With me I usually don't find myself lucid in these "day dreams" its kinda like uncontrolled thoughts when you're falling asleep, you know what you're doing and choose to keep up when you have some sort of micro awakenings between visuals.
But as soon as you realize you are dreaming, would that take away the dream framework and just turn it into a day dream? If you are lucid then you are in control, whereas when you are not lucid you can wake up in a fright. When you are lucid, you know it is not real and you are just making it up, what happens does not scare you or surprise you.
Yes, exactly. So is lucid dreaming really dreaming or is it controlled imagining like a day dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micael
Of course being a daydream believer could cross some kind of line where one imagines what they are dreaming could one day become a reality ... or even believing it is true like that girl you have a crush on really does like you if you only had the nerve to ask her to she would go out on a date with you.
No no sir... lucid dreaming has nothing to do with controlled imagining in that sense. You're there having an experience sometimes even more intense and "real" than waking life, can you change the content of the dream with imagination? Sure thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by james1951
Oh and separating dreams from waking reality is essential for your sanity, especially because sometimes they may involve strong emotions. :)
No it doesn't sound like that, your not aware of the effect of the dream or do you have any control. Usually you can really lightly recall as your dreaming that you initiated sleep and that you will have to get up later but you never actually question the dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
It's hard to describe but it bears little resemblance to a lucid.
Assuming your definition of sanity is this insane perception of wars and disease and pollution and starvation we exist within.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micael
Perhaps your INSANITY is preferable to our current perception of sanity.
But back to the lucid dreaming. If you are aware and in conscious control of your dream, The closest I can consider it is a strong "day dream". it just does not seem for me to represent what one usually consider dreaming a subconscious creation that one remembers only upon waking to the conscious state. The wakening changes it from a dream to an awakened thought process.
Yes it seems to be hard to describe. Could you please fit in a definitions for "lucid dreaming" to compare to the following processes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchraptor
dreams -Unconscious imaginary thoughts which you are not aware you are creating until you wake up and them realize you were asleep when you were thinking them.
day dreams -Conscious imaginary thoughts which you are aware you are creating.
conscious thoughts which are not yet realized but you intend to realize.
Dream-A series of thoughts, images and sensations that occur in a person's mind during sleep. Nowhere does it say you have to be unconscious to dream
Lucid Dream- where one is aware that he/she is dreaming
Obviously you are not interested in discussing this, only in defending your stance which is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirui987
I would think that you would understand that when I said unconscious I meant sleeping and not conscious of your surroundings and the fact you were sleeping and that what you were seeing was not really happening. But if you would prefer to dwell on semantics , I am sorry I bothered you.
Edit: And the whole POINT, not that you were interested, was why one would consider it "dreaming" lucid or otherwise if one were AWAKE as Dreams occur when one is ASLEEP.
Okay you can go back to sleep and focus on controling your lucid dreams that you have when you are awake.
Im ok with the idea of a lucid daydream, but it does not end up meaning anything special. Lucid meaning you are aware, and daydream. Well, that is a pretty normal state, but being pretty normal does not mean it can not be great fun. I am not exactly sure I followed what the OP was about. I know day dreaming can be harnessed into a truely wonderful skill. You can experience weak imagery and some weak tactile sensation. It really can advance to a state that is very dream like, and you can control the scene and the action.
I would not count a "lucid day dream" as being any where the same as a normal lucid dream. For instance, I would not think you should add them to your LD count, or claim them in Matte's competition thread. However, they can be truely interesting and worth exploring, and yes, I think they can help develop skills that help in normal lucid dreaming.
If I missed the idea of the OP, sorry.
I am just trying to understand the difference between lucid dreams , day dreams and sleeping dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
I can remember the dreams i had when I was asleep, but as soon as I know I am awake the dreams changes completely because I am consciously aware and in control of it, whereas in a sleep dream things are happening that seem beyond my control. People may be chasing me which of course may cause me to be afraid. But If I know I am just dreaming/imagining it there can be no real fear.
The main difference I see between lucid dreams and daydreams, is that LDs are many times more intense as far as the scensory input. Bright colors or balck and white vivid 3d images. Touch can be so intense as to cause an actual physical orgasm, for instance. To varying degrees LDs can be full of vivid sensations. Daydreams that are intense are perhaps 1/20 the experience of a un-impressive LD.
Control is another issue. Just because someone can LD does not mean they can always control the dream. Control is learned over time. You may get lucid and have no control at first. After decades, my control can be amazing, like you may dream is possable, but on occassion, I am almost just along for the ride and my brain creates most of the dream, with out my concious minds input.
SO you have compartmentalized your conscious mind from your brain? Even though I have spoken in those terms somehow your expressing it has helped me "I" am along for the ride "my brain" creates ... "my conscious minds" input"Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
When I think of the universe in terms of just being a dream (likening the sub atomic movement of electrons to the firing of synapses) This compartmentalization of the I/brain/mind plays an integral role in the concept of each character in the universal dream being given the ability of self determination even though it is part of the collective universal mind that is dreaming what we perceive of as a physical reality.
So now when applying the concept of Lucid Dreaming vs Day dreaming vs Universal dreaming(physical perception of reality), I have a new direction for this conceptualization of reality.
I do not expect you to understand what I just wrote, you may, but there is a tonne of ideas I have formed over the past years which are behind this snippet.
I totally understnd. I think of the universe as a dream. Actually, I literally believe it is composed of dream material, from what we can call 'the universal mind.' each person feels like a closed off individual, but it is a form of illusion. Lucid dreams are a great way to get more at ease with the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by james1951
What is dream material? The firing of synapses. AN electrical charge. The flow of electrons. Signals to and from the brain and culminating in a thought process or dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
What is the physical world made of? Atoms , sub atomic energy , the flow of electrons. Signals to and from the brain and culminating is a thought process or what we define as a waking thought.
The waking thought is perceived as causing a physical action to take place. But what are we moving , other sub atomic particles or electrons, the same as in our dreams.
We externalize our thoughts and see them as physical reactions not understanding it is still just the perception of the flow of electrons.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places. It is the THOUGHT that produces what we externalize as a physical representation of that thought.
As you say as individuals we not just feel like we are closed off, we are closed off by fear and ignorance from one another. When I perceive something different than you do you put your hand up and say" NO NO That is not how it is.. This is how I see it" This builds a wall in order to secure our own position and belief from someone who seems to be knocking down the selief we have worked so hard to build.