i was just woundering if any one could estamate where imformation, different ways, tools. and general knowlegd of luicd dreaming could be in the next 15 years.
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i was just woundering if any one could estamate where imformation, different ways, tools. and general knowlegd of luicd dreaming could be in the next 15 years.
I think it could get to the point where you dont even have to try to have a Lucid Dream..there will be programs out there that will connect you automatically into a dream and your good to go....Just like online gaming...and Dream Sharing sooner or later, i believe that LDing will be so well known that Dream Sharing will be like online gaming--without all the killing---but what i mean is---20 people or so, in one dream...
Well, im not nearly as optimistic as spiritofthewolf cause we are talking only 15 years. I think possible interatcion between human brains might show up around like 100+ from now, but I think dream sharing would not be the way to go with that, where more of a matrix atmoshpere would work a little better, you know, controlled electrical signals.
I think it will be very similar to where it is now, one in every few that knows about it and enjoys it. With the way the world is going, faster and faster, i don't think people will want to spend months practicing to get an LD. I have told most of my friends about it, and they are all interested in the theory, but not at all in trying it.
So my prediction for 15 years is like now.
Right now there are already all kinds of things that you can listen to that put you into a LD, so in 15 years we might be WAY better off than we are know. And if people keep learning about LDing at this rate, then in 15 years it will be VERY well known.
I see it being where it is now... perhaps with a few more lucid dreaming forums maybe, who knows?
I think that someone will discover or invent other ways to assist in achieving the goal of being Lucid. May be a pill or a mechanical device or most likely something that has not been thought of yet.
....Well at least we know they are working on it....
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20041...1206/brain.html
And there was a show I saw where a guy was playing the game Oni with electrodes on his face, controlling the game movement with facial expressions. Its been proven through experimentation that people could signal through eye movement while lucid. Coupled with a machine that transfers that movement into information, all of these ideas could advance to some Major advances in lucid dreaming. 8)
In my dreams.
it probably wont be much different... like alex said, maybe a few more big sites about it on the net
I expect the world as a whole will be preoccupied with other much more important things, to be perfectly honest.
War will still be the major concern in 15 years; everything will be the same only different.Quote:
Originally posted by Kaniaz
I expect the world as a whole will be preoccupied with other much more important things, to be perfectly honest.
In 15 years i hope Lucid Dreaming isnt capitalised by advertisers trying to drop adverts into your dream while you sleep :P
You never know with companies like the Monroe institute. I think pretty much the same publicity as it has now, but alot more advanced lucid dreamers around. Think about it, if we can all stick with this for the next fifteen years, we are going to become good at it.
15 years from now, DreamViews will be the number 1 lucid dreaming site on the web with 1 million members :) *Performs reality check*
Let's step back and examine where lucid dreaming has been. I first became aware of the concept of lucid dreaming from a book that was published in the early 70's. LaBerge did his breakthrough work in the early 80's. So lets assume 25-30 years ago as a start.
What have we seen in that time? A few books written, a few websites created, a few audio CDs to help you, oh yes and one or two television pieces on it that ended with 'The Look'.
I suspect that in another 25-30 years, perhaps as many as 10x more people will know about and practice lucid dreaming. The saddest thing about all of it is that people discount and don't even care about any type of dreaming. Until this attitude changes, don't expect any great growth in lucid dreaming.
I hope for criogenic sleep where I can LD for years and years. Maybe even die in my sleep. Better to have control than not.
What this particular field of dreamimg needs is a great Hollywood caliber motion picture that pretty much puts lucid dreaming in your face. I know, Waking Life, What Dreams...., The Cell, etc are all movies that kind of imply or dance around lucid dreaming. But I have yet to see a movie that actually contains the words "lucid dream" in the script (well, maybe Waking Life does, I'll have to see it again).
Unfortunately, the majority of the population needs to see mainstream elements and actors in their motion pictures.
So, a lucid dream movie with the ol' sex and violence themes in it - packed with an all-star cast would really put lucid dreaming into the mainstream culture.
As for the cast...hmmm, Angelina Jolie (she's so dreamy), Jessica Alba (looking the way she did in Dark Angel) ...and I don't know, who else?
Yeah I dont see Lucid dreaming or dreaming in general becoming 'popular' anytime seen. I think its a very small percentage of the western population that even thinks about dreams, let alone writes them down every morning. What we'd need are more spaced out art teachers in middle school telling kids about how important and fulfilling dreams can be to get ppl interested when they are young, cuz Ive never met any adults who have actively pursued an interest in dreams if they hadn't already had one.
Its still kinda shocking to me that so many people never remember their dreams, just seems so wasteful or something.
i see LDing as a thing of the past. i think everyone will be doing it.
corse.. thats just me sayin
Well the internet may play an important role in the spread of lucid dreaming.
As the 43 member of this forum I now see it standing at 3701 members. That was in three years.
Look Sweetie. They will still need you to get on with your 'Nine to Five'. Still playin Playstation 3 Games I guess. Even though they have the Tech to Blow your Brains right Now.
I agree with you man, it would be like the 1960s again, spaced out hippie lecturers giving joints to 20 year olds while talking to them about lucid dreaming :PQuote:
Originally posted by fersteger
What we'd need are more spaced out art teachers in middle school telling kids about how important and fulfilling dreams can be to get ppl interested when they are young, cuz Ive never met any adults who have actively pursued an interest in dreams if they hadn't already had one.
Peace out fersteger
I have the same problem. It is absolutely baffling to me that anybody would not be interested in doing this stuff. I think LDing is about the most interesting activity possible, so I am nowhere near relating to not wanting to get into it.Quote:
Originally posted by electronmaster
I have told most of my friends about it, and they are all interested in the theory, but not at all in trying it.
Because of this widespread phenomenon, I don't think lucid dreaming will be too much more popular in 15 years. I think it will be more popular, but not a whole lot. Most people don't want to get into the discipline necessary to accomplish it. I also am afraid that certain mainstream religious groups might start denouncing it as some kind of sorcery or voodoo kind of thing if it ever does start to really catch on.
I used to think that transcendental meditation is so cool that the whole world would soon be practicing it, but that has not happened. It takes discipline to get into this type stuff, and most people already have their own disciplines that they are into and don't want to get into new ones. It is much easier to watch T.V. or play x box and get stoned than it is to go through the steps of becoming a regular lucid dreamer. That's too bad. I think lucid dreaming seems too good to be true, but strangely, it is real. Every time I think about how lucid dreaming is actually a reality, I think I must be dreaming.
I have always had a crazy idea that far far far far from now video games will introduce game play though lucid dreaming using some sort of device. The deivce, you can buy ,but the video game play would bring more people in to luicd dreaming. But going over and reading this it sounds more like fantasy. But if video games where to introduce a way to play video games while dreaming or even the idea I think it would open the door to awider aduance who would love the concept of luicd dreaming but never knew about it before.
I think that in fifteen years, it'll be just like it is now. Sure, there might be a few more lucid dreamers, but like most others have said, some people would just not want to take a bit of time to have lucid dreams.
I'd think that there be a movie that was really about a lucid dream, or something like that, would be really cool. xD
most of the people i have told said they dont want to do it because they dont want to "live" in the dream world. they would rather keep dreaming "random" and the real world up to them. who knows. i could be wrong. this is coming from someone that didnt even think she would live too see her 17th bday. well. i turned 17 on the 12th
I'm going to agree with lots of the replies here: not much difference, maybe a few more LDers. I don't think it's something really 'important' anyway.
Lucid Dreaming happened in something like Star Trek. I was talking to a mate about dreaming and how you can control them (I never mentioned lucid dreaming)and he says Lucid Dreaming? and Im all o_0, "how did you know what it was called?" and he says it was on an episode of *insert scifi program* here about these aliens that invaded the peoples minds and this guy can lucid dream and gets rid of themQuote:
Originally posted by Tornado Joe
What this particular field of dreamimg needs is a great Hollywood caliber motion picture that pretty much puts lucid dreaming in your face. I know, Waking Life, What Dreams...., The Cell, etc are all movies that kind of imply or dance around lucid dreaming. But I have yet to see a movie that actually contains the words \"lucid dream\" in the script (well, maybe Waking Life does, I'll have to see it again). *
Unfortunately, the majority of the population needs to see mainstream elements and actors in their motion pictures.
So, a lucid dream movie with the ol' sex and violence themes in it - packed with an all-star cast would really put lucid dreaming into the mainstream culture.
As for the cast...hmmm, Angelina Jolie (she's so dreamy), Jessica Alba (looking the way she did in Dark Angel) ...and I don't know, who else?
lol, did you see this on futurama :DQuote:
Originally posted by Mystical_Journey
In 15 years i hope Lucid Dreaming isnt capitalised by advertisers trying to drop adverts into your dream while you sleep *:P
I see it quite as it is, with a few scientific advance like the one's there are now, that any normal person could hardly get this info since its not popular :( . I guess what seeker said is true, masses need to give importance to their dreams first; its a social global problem that to take care of would need more than 15 years I guess, unless celebrities, politians and religions start making it important for any stupid reason they may all have(not meaning I hate any of the threes opinions), like popularity.
in 15 years we'll be in tubes and machines using us for powere ...lucid dreams will basically be apart of everyone's life...hence we won't know whats going on in the real world...then the "the one" will come and saves us and we'll all be awaked to the real world....
well said. i think lack of discipline is the main reason it won't suddenly catch on overnight.Quote:
Originally posted by Universal Mind
I have the same problem. *It is absolutely baffling to me that anybody would not be interested in doing this stuff. *I think LDing is about the most interesting activity possible, so I am nowhere near relating to not wanting to get into it. *
Because of this widespread phenomenon, I don't think lucid dreaming will be too much more popular in 15 years. *I think it will be more popular, but not a whole lot. *Most people don't want to get into the discipline necessary to accomplish it. * I also am afraid that certain mainstream religious groups might start denouncing it as some kind of sorcery or voodoo kind of thing if it ever does start to really catch on. * *
I used to think that transcendental meditation is so cool that the whole world would soon be practicing it, but that has not happened. *It takes discipline to get into this type stuff, and most people already have their own disciplines that they are into and don't want to get into new ones. * It is much easier to watch T.V. or play x box and get stoned than it is to go through the steps of becoming a regular lucid dreamer. *That's too bad. *I think lucid dreaming seems too good to be true, but strangely, it is real. *Every time I think about how lucid dreaming is actually a reality, I think I must be dreaming.
even myself, being VERY interested in lucid dreams, and even having a number of them, find it hard to stay disciplined.
for instance, i know drugs and alchohol make dreamwork virtually impossible for me, and yet i just wasted thursday-today drinking and getting stoned.
partially its because our society is built on 'satisfaction this minute, results now"
and partially its because lucid dreaming (like meditation) is such a personal thing. nobody can really force you to do it, and you alone decide how big a priority it should be. truthfully, sometimes, after a week straight of doing reality checks constantly, viewing the world as a dream, recording dreams at all hours of the night, etc....and still not having a single lucid dream....
i'd rather party at a club, or smoke a joint and admire the ceiling fan with some close friends while we discuss interesting topics (like lucid dreaming).
i mean, let's face it. lucid dreaming takes an enormous amount of effort for most people to master. its certainly one of the most demanding skills i've ever set myself to learning..
better documented, and more researched, but not much more popular.
although it'd be cool if it was the hot new craze, and everybody knew about it, yet few people actually mastered it.
because by then, i'll be a lucid dreaming star, and i could strut around and say things like:
"yeah, i had 23 lucid dreams in a row last night using the WILD method"
Good times!!! :D :cheers: ..... :drink: ...... :flyaway: ...... :lolxtreme: ....... :sleeping: ...... *next morning* :hrm:Quote:
Originally posted by Asher
party at a club, or smoke a joint and admire the ceiling fan with some close friends while we discuss interesting topics (like lucid dreaming).
The Good:
Everyone hears about Lucid Dreaming, and they discover a new better easy techique enableing everyone to lucid dream easiylier. It becaomes a theory techique and everyone is much happier seeing that they relive there stress in lucid dreams.
The Bad:
Lucid dreaming becomes a "fad" and lucid dreaming makes you "cool" so instead of people trying to lucid dream they just say they do just to make them seem cool and the real honest lucid dreamers people dont think they even lucid dream as well and ask the fake ones for advice and question and they awnser wrong and lead people away from lucid dreaming.
The Ugly:
Lucid dreaming considered some weird evil cult, everyone hates people who lucid dream, and all the real lucid dreamers have to hide out in San Fransico :lol:
I am planning to write a book on Lucid Dreaming in my mother tongue Malayalam. A translation of this website itself will be an encyclopedia.
There is a possibility that after 15 years I will be the Stephen LaBerge of Kerala. :D
heh, isn't that the way it goes...Quote:
Originally posted by Sortilegio
Good times!!! :D *:cheers: ..... :drink: ...... :flyaway: ...... :lolxtreme: ....... :sleeping: ...... *next morning* :hrm:
wow...he's right....that exaclty what happens,lol
Where will Lucid Dreaming be in 15 years? Well, perhaps by then the general public will have gotten over its gullibility regarding the fraud regarding Dream Control. People will realize that not being able to Control everything is not the exception, owing to insufficient technique or inexperience, but the absolute Rule of Dreaming where a Higher Mind then that of the personal Ego is in charge and jealous of Its Power.
Perhaps in 15 years we will have people a bit more respectful of Dream Content. Now, even people who think themselves regular Dream Enthusiasts are held back by their atheistic materialistic tendencies toward a nihilisism that rejects all meaning and substance from their Dreams. They hardly know how detrimental it is to ultimately complain that their dreams are meaningless gumbles from an arbitrary personal subconscious mind. Maybe 15 years is enough time for it to occur to these enthusiasts that the glimmers of meaning they have been trying to ignore, out of loyalty to the dryest scientific principles, must have actually come from Somewhere that is both important and Real... and that there can be Subjective Truths as well as Objective Truths.
First off all, there is nothing wrong with being an atheist, its natural human evolution. Secondly, most dreams are completely meaningless. There are some dreams that mean something, but only if they deeply touch an emotional point in you. Lastly, there is no such thing as "Subjective Truths."
I see Lucid dreaming slightly better known in 15 years. It will be something that everybody has heard of and/or has tired one time or another. There could even end up being a large popular cultish movement with it. Not an evil cult, but just a sub culture that gets really into it. Sort of how some people are very into martial arts and a slightly too obsessive way :P
I hope lucid dreaming will be more well known and better researched in 15 years. However I doubt many people will take an intrest though, too many people say they are too busy or just can't be bothered to make the effort.
i bet in 15 years they'll have a pill thats like "take this and you'll wake up in you dream and become lucid"...you know with time comes drugs...
Well, pills and video games and things would be nice, but unfortunately I just have to take one thing into consideration. Look at how good we are at science these days, and look at how much we know about sleep.
Next to nothing physiological or scientific.
And it's something people spend a third of their lives doing.
So... if they know nothing about sleep, it's going to be hard for them to figure out dreams, which will be hard to then covince everyone that they should spend so much of their free time and energy on it. So will there be lucid dreaming in the masses, I doubt it.
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...However, the "underground world" of lucid dreaming I expect to explode in 15 years. There will be some very sizeable groups of very dedicated people preaching lucid dreaming. I expect it to start increasing it's prominence in textbooks and in the media. It should eventually snowball into public knowledge, and so when you say you are a "lucid dreamer" you won't get that look of dumb ignorance but the one of "oh, you're on of those." And with that will come certain stigmas hard to overcome in the popular eye. And I expect it to stay like that for a very long time, with the few enjoying the amazing experience that takes hard work and dedication to achieve, like many other things these days.
I'm thinking that in 15 years, lucid dreaming will be more well known. Instead of me talking to a friend and mentioning Lucid Dreaming and him/her not knowing what it is, they will at least know the word or what it means. I would imagine that more pills would be developed aiding in controlling your dreams, remembering them, etc. Maybe progress in devices that could actually record what occurs in the dream(I'm saying true video from the dream which I highly doubt will be possible in 15 years). Too annoyed and tired to think of anything else currently.
I know that I still won't be able to do it.