Thread: Dream Lag

I've never really heard the term, "dream lag" before, but all of those things you listed are stability issues. You can control a lot of stability issues with practice and experience, but remember, the dream state is a naturally unstable environment. Even the most stable of all dreams is going to have unstable aspects. That is just the nature of dreaming. The more you dream, the more you will get used to how the dream world reacts to certain emotions and events. Almost along the lines of being consistently inconsistent . I've got to the point now where its pretty easy to "read and react" to how the dream displays its instability and inconsistency. It just takes experience.

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

I've never really heard the term, "dream lag" before, but all of those things you listed are stability issues. You can control a lot of stability issues with practice and experience, but remember, the dream state is a naturally unstable environment. Even the most stable of all dreams is going to have unstable aspects. That is just the nature of dreaming. The more you dream, the more you will get used to how the dream world reacts to certain emotions and events. Almost along the lines of being consistently inconsistent . I've got to the point now where its pretty easy to "read and react" to how the dream displays its instability and inconsistency. It just takes experience.

I know, I'm just wondering what dream occurrences anyone would consider to be Dream lag. from what I read about slow motion running in dreams, that to me definitely seems like something that could be considered Dream Lag.

One instance I'd consider dream lag is when my dreams have to 'load'. THat is they freeze for a second then I appear on the other side of a door or somewhere else entirely.

Originally Posted by intheworldofnim

I know, I'm just wondering what dream occurrences anyone would consider to be Dream lag. from what I read about slow motion running in dreams, that to me definitely seems like something that could be considered Dream Lag.

Ah, I've just never heard of the term before. The human brain has better processing power than any super computer on the planet, so any time you experience lag, that is solely coming from your perception and can be corrected immediately. It could be some instability issues as well, but those can also be adjusted.

Dreams are influenced by our conscious and subconscious expectations, so if one expects this stuff like machines/punches/etc not working, then it will be like that, i wouldn't say it's 'Dream Lag'. If you are experiencing dream stability issues, stabilization techniques might worth checking: http://www.dreamviews.com/articles/9...-tutorial.html
And on the topic of lag, i have experienced literal lag in dream a few times and even desync, it was like the physical sensation of when body was placed differently compared to what i saw in dream, one of the things that are hard to describe, haha.

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Ah, I've just never heard of the term before. The human brain has better processing power than any super computer on the planet, so any time you experience lag, that is solely coming from your perception and can be corrected immediately. It could be some instability issues as well, but those can also be adjusted.

How do you explain normal dreams where the person running starts running in slow motion? many say its sleep paralysis coinciding with the dream. How is the dreamer suppose to control this when they don't even expect it to happen? Can you really say that we are in full control of the faculties of our dreams? I mean total control. What we do is manipulate the dream through our expectations providing a schema for our subconscious to follow. the subconscious is what controls our dreams, our High level thoughts (conscious) only manipulate our subconscious (low level thoughts). We are not our subconscious, we are the result of our subconscious. So I really don't think we can say that every single occurrence in dreams is purely our expectation alone. that's just part of what makes up our dreams.

Originally Posted by Checker666

Dreams are influenced by our conscious and subconscious expectations, so if one expects this stuff like machines/punches/etc not working, then it will be like that, i wouldn't say it's 'Dream Lag'. If you are experiencing dream stability issues, stabilization techniques might worth checking: http://www.dreamviews.com/articles/9...-tutorial.html
And on the topic of lag, i have experienced literal lag in dream a few times and even desync, it was like the physical sensation of when body was placed differently compared to what i saw in dream, one of the things that are hard to describe, haha.

yes if someone expects machines not to work in dreams then most likely it will not but in normal dreams where one does expect something to work, in most cases they still don't. lights are one of the main things in dreams that do not work right even when expected to work. Can we really just leave that to mere expectation or is there more to dreams than just simply expectation? sometimes things happen in dreams that we can't control.

many say its sleep paralysis coinciding with the dream.

Never heard of people suggestion this, but it's clearly a misconception. By that logic, all our dreams would consist on slow motion mechanics, because the underlying physiological concept present in SP is already present when we dream (read, REM atonia).
On the rest, you are right. A example of what you describe is when you summon a house. You can plan the house of your dreams, but you cannot define the aspect of every single block it exists. I tested this with small living animals (my cats), and even though the clones I made were identical, none of their fur exactly resemble my cat's. Of course it's just naturally hard to pay such big attention to detail.

How do you explain normal dreams where the person running starts running in slow motion?

Classical emotional content being presented in the dream. Those dreams are often associated with specific issues the person has, like the fear or something, or the apprehension regarding something. Other famous examples than the ones you described are showing up late, being naked in public, etc etc.

But to be precise, there is indeed "dream lag". It's much shorter than the one that happen in the waking life (for those who don't know what I'm talking about, watch this video), but it has no influence in dream content, as much as a delay on your television signal doesn't make the content slow-motion.

but in normal dreams where one does expect something to work, in most cases they still don't.

You'd have to back that up with statistical data before claiming something like that, but it's easy to perceive those events as supporting the general rule that dictates that the majority of dream plot involves negative sense.

lights are one of the main things in dreams that do not work right even when expected to work.

I barely have problems turning on lights during my dreams. Don't get tangled in these "hard-stone principles" because everyone dreams are unique Same goes to "I can't read in my dreams" or "I wake up if I close my eyes".

Can we really just leave that to mere expectation or is there more to dreams than just simply expectation?

Of course there is, and it goes practically implied in the mechanism of dream control. A good analogy is making sand dolls. You are in control, but you can't really go beyond the capabilities of the sand. Normally you don't need to worry about this, because shaping sand gives you almost infinite possibilities of creation. Once in a while though, you realize that you can't choose the location of every single grain of sand. Sometimes it crumbles due a wave of water, sometimes someone you hate smashes it. Sometimes you're too impatient. So yes, the dream itself plays a huge part on dream control ^^

Originally Posted by intheworldofnim

How do you explain normal dreams where the person running starts running in slow motion? many say its sleep paralysis coinciding with the dream. How is the dreamer suppose to control this when they don't even expect it to happen? Can you really say that we are in full control of the faculties of our dreams? I mean total control. What we do is manipulate the dream through our expectations providing a schema for our subconscious to follow. the subconscious is what controls our dreams, our High level thoughts (conscious) only manipulate our subconscious (low level thoughts). We are not our subconscious, we are the result of our subconscious. So I really don't think we can say that every single occurrence in dreams is purely our expectation alone. that's just part of what makes up our dreams.

Slow motion does not mean they are "lagging" at all. In a lucid I can create slow motion and turn it on and off at will. In a non-lucid dream, all the times I have went into slow motion was when I was afraid of not being able to move fast enough. This fear caused the exact opposite of what I wished and put me in slow motion. There are a number of things that can cause slow motion, but I promise you, it isn't because your mind can't keep up with what is going on. Its mostly stability issues, fears, worries, expectations. The dreamer can control/correct absolutely anything that happens in a lucid dream. Obviously, in a non lucid, you don't realize you are dreaming, so you are not going to have the same level of control (generally). Everything that is happening in your dream is being controlled by your own mind, yes, I do believe this. That doesn't mean you have control of what your mind is doing, but it is creating everything around you and total control is 100% possible. I have had complete 100% control of every last aspect of a dream many times. In the dream world, your subconscious and conscious do not work the same way as waking life. You can manipulate all levels of thought in a dream, no matter how deep or hidden those thoughts are.

If you are going BD with your views, that is cool. I won't try to explain any further as BD is not my area of expertise .

Sometimes I have a moment where I suddenly think a bit too much about what should happen to something next, and I can't think of what should happen.
Perhaps I'm just too much of a gamer, but I've had one or two run-ins with cases where a moving object will suddenly repeat the same footstep quite a few times simply because I can't get it out of my head now. Very similar to lag on some video games.

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Slow motion does not mean they are "lagging" at all. In a lucid I can create slow motion and turn it on and off at will. In a non-lucid dream, all the times I have went into slow motion was when I was afraid of not being able to move fast enough. This fear caused the exact opposite of what I wished and put me in slow motion. There are a number of things that can cause slow motion, but I promise you, it isn't because your mind can't keep up with what is going on. Its mostly stability issues, fears, worries, expectations. The dreamer can control/correct absolutely anything that happens in a lucid dream. Obviously, in a non lucid, you don't realize you are dreaming, so you are not going to have the same level of control (generally). Everything that is happening in your dream is being controlled by your own mind, yes, I do believe this. That doesn't mean you have control of what your mind is doing, but it is creating everything around you and total control is 100% possible. I have had complete 100% control of every last aspect of a dream many times. In the dream world, your subconscious and conscious do not work the same way as waking life. You can manipulate all levels of thought in a dream, no matter how deep or hidden those thoughts are.

If you are going BD with your views, that is cool. I won't try to explain any further as BD is not my area of expertise .

I didn't mean dream lag to literally mean your mind cannot keep up with what's going on. I'm not talking about what happens with super computers.

Originally Posted by intheworldofnim

I didn't mean dream lag to literally mean your mind cannot keep up with what's going on. I'm not talking about what happens with super computers.

I hear ya bud, but that is what lag is . The term dream lag is a bit confusing.