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Ok I am teh struggling getting to sleep I might have that insomnia thing they speak of :o Notice how my posts are around 5:24 AM and what not yeah that means I havnt slept at all yet :( So I was just wondering how do all of you fall asleep i tend to lie in bed for a hour or two and nothing so i go watch t.v. try again nothing. It gets frustrating i want to sleep really bad but I cant its annoying. So yea what do you guys do to fall asleep or are you privelaged enough to just pass out :?:
That sounds like a pain in the ass, man!
I usually fall asleep like this: I just lie around for some time and start thinking about random stuff. If I do this long enough one of thoughts drags me into sleep. Sometimes I just get out of such a... well... thought and then I just try again. I have some trouble sleeping myself too.
Did you ever go to a doctor with this problem?
Ba ha i wish my mom said "Im not gonna waste time on going to the doctor just because you cant go to sleep" im like :eek: :shock: :o Biatch help me lol yea I usually can go to sleep after being awake for two days i guess my body just sort of gives and i crash but yea its a pain in the ass.
Ok im getting mad :mad: *slams head against wall* This isnt working nothing is working I have tried everything im screwed when school comes around >.< help meh lol.
1.Tried Warm Milk that only works a few hours (like 6 hours) after I take it I become drowsier seeing as how i was drowsy to begin with this makes no sense.
2. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. you name i tried it i give up maybe i will never be on a normal sleep schedule like everybody else.
Do you have any major difficulties mentally? Like stress or anything such as that? Things from your past and such....
Take a few Melatonins about 5 hours before you want to go to sleep. It's like $8 for a bottle of 120, 3mg pills at GNC. They should help. It might take a few days to figure out how much you need to help you sleep.
You might also want to try waking up early. I know it sounds impossible, but it really isn't. By the time "bed-time" comes, you should be tired as hell.
Try a few things that may improve your sleeping habits:
1) Your bed is for sleeping only. If you are in your bed, that means you are going to sleep, not watch TV, or read, or anything like that. This helps you get into the right frame of mind when you get into to bed.
2) Don't think of anything that worries you. Worries are for tomorrow, sleep is for now. Also, don't try too hard to fall asleep, that's a worry in itself. Just lay there and relax.
3) Use your imagination to relax you. For example, think of a beach, with you laying on the hot sand, with the sun in your face, and the cool ocean waves washing over your legs. Imagine being carried away by the waves into the cool ocean, floating on the surface of the water. Or think of your own scenario.
4) Exercise before going to sleep. I personally like to take my bicycle out and ride for a mile or ten, but if I can, I go swimming. That's because it's really exhausting, and the water is also very calming.
And ofcourse:
5) Get up at seven in the morning. By the time you need to go to bed, you will be tired.
Well, Melatonin is good for falling asleep, but I would recommend Unisom (doxylamine succinate as the active ingredient) instead. One or two of those and you will have a hard time staying awake.
Do you have ADD or ADHD? I have ADD and I have had a really tough time falling asleep because I have thoughts speeding through my head at all times when I should be sleeping. I play out scenarios in my head and think about an endless stream of thoughts. Eventually I was able to stop doing this.
If you have a hard time with quieting the thoughts in your mind when you are in bed that would definitely contribute to your not falling asleep. Try lying completely still in your bed, relax your body and start by thinking of one thought, a very simple thought like the dream you had last night. Then make sure you don't digress from that thought at all. If you start digressing into another thought or scenario, catch yourself. When you have a stream of thoughts in your head you are using a lot of beta brainwaves and it will be hard to fall asleep like that. So spend just a couple minutes dwelling on that thought and then slowly eject it from your mind until you are thinking of absolutely nothing. Once you get to this point where you are not actively dwelling on any thoughts, that is when the hypnagogia starts, which leads to sleep. Your mind will randomly show hypnagogic imagery or play mental sounds sometimes. When you get to this point you know you are close to sleep so just stay relaxed and wait for sleep.
Although that explanation is long and strung out it is very simple. Slow your mind and your thoughts down until you are not actively thinking of anything. Don't allow yourself to start dwelling on thoughts. Then fall asleep.
also, stick with a normal sleep schedule. from 10 to whenever you go to school should be enough, also. try reading (but still keep the schedule) so if you want to try reading, go from 9 to 10, then start sleeping
excersise might help, but i am against all forms of physical movement so i dont use it to get to sleep. :P
I have trouble falling asleep as well :( When i try to sleep, i keep day dreaming, and when i try to think of nothing, i hear music and voices... It really is counteractive to sleep. I just try to avoid sleeping as long as I can until I get kinda sick, and then I have to fall alseep or I feel worse.. eh its something at least.
Any tips?, beacse even if I clear my min, the voices/ music starts up.
don't think your the only one it used to take me 3 hours to get to sleep, I once wrote a guide about falling to sleep I'll try and edit this if I can dig it out of the search engine.
EDIT: ya found it take alook at this guys a guide I made back in april: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....t=getting+sleep
Barbizzle, if you see things or have sounds the key is not acknowledge it at all. Just realize it means you are close to sleep. When you see something or hear a sound let it just happen, don't wake your mind up by thinking about it. I know it's a little easier said than done, but I've managed to learn to do it.
I have had insomnia for years, since I was a young child. It is quite frustrating and can lead to depression. Learn some meditation techniques and start to relax around 7:00 PM. Ocassionally I get medication from the doctor but I try to limit this for several reasons including the wish to have lucid dreams. One thing I have found, when I have a large amount of ld's over a period of time this will also contribute to the insomnia and so I will tell myself to have regular dreams for a while til my sleep gets back to normal.
These are recomended by the medical establishment as good sleeping habits:
Eliminate or limit caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol, and be sure to avoid using these substances late in the day or in the evening.
Check all of your medications with your doctor to see whether they are affecting your sleep; you may be able to adjust your prescriptions or schedule to avoid creating sleep problems.
Keep established bedtimes and wake times, 7 days a week.
Reserve the bed for sleeping and sexual activity; do your reading or TV watching in another room.
Make exercise a regular part of your life, but don't do it within 3 or 4 hours of bedtime.
Don't stay in bed longer than 8 hours, and try to avoid naps.
Use the evening hours for settling down, and avoid challenging activities in the hours before bedtime.
Eat meals at regularly scheduled times, and eliminate bedtime snacks, or have only light snacks near bedtime.
Once you are in bed, relax from head to toe, and guide your mind to pleasant thoughts.
Get plenty of sunlight in the outdoors, particularly later in the afternoon.
Keep your bedroom quiet, dark, and cool. Try using a sleep mask and earplugs to help you sleep.
Restrict nighttime liquid consumption to reduce the need to get up to urinate, but don't go to bed thirsty.
Avoid uneven noise (sometimes a steady "white noise" such a fan running can help), being too hot or too cold, and the bright lights of television or a computer screen during the late afternoon, evening, and night.
I usually feel more relaxed by counting the number of breaths i take from 100. I imagine myself geiing heavier every time I breathe out. e.g. 100 breathe in, 99, breathe out, I'm getting heavier. If you start struggling to count, then that's good, because your mind is shutting down.
i find something else to do in bed.
things i do:
- listen to/conversate with the voices
- induce bodily perceptal distortion (e.g. attempt to melt into the bed, or be a stick insect)
- imagine watching myself from another part of the room
- imagine i'm sitting the wrong way around in bed
- imagine myself with wings
- general visual imagination training
- watch the HI
when i do stuff like this - before i know it i'm asleep.
Haha, all those are ways that I fall asleep in class.Quote:
Originally posted by voidofform
- induce bodily perceptal distortion (e.g. attempt to melt into the bed, or be a stick insect)
- imagine watching myself from another part of the room
- imagine myself with wings
- general visual imagination training
I just find a comfortable position (important!), close my eyes, and play some music in my head. It has to be relaxnig music though... And I just look at the light HI you get... not even HI, I guess I just stare at my eyelids... Takes just a couple of minutes if you're tired enough.
smoke weed 2 hours before bed,......and every 2 hours before that! :lol:
it is true that weed is also a safe, natural sleep aid. believe me, when you start to come down at night, you will fall asleep instantly.
if you dont want to counter your chemical imbalance with an illegal drug you should tell your mom its a medical issue and have her get you some (toxic) legal drugs from a doctor.
Heh heh i got caught with the green leaf and my mom got mad grounded me for a month took me out of school 2 weeks before it ended etc. So yea... does truly help you sleep though :mrgreen: Okay I will try all of things you have suggested and im just about to read that sleep guide bro :wink: Wow its 3:00 am >.< I also heard that if you lie in your bed for more than 20minutes and your not close to falling asleep you should get out and do something until you feel tired then repeat but that just usually makes the night drag on anyways thx for teh advice :D
a question just popped into my mind: why is insomnia a problem? if your not tired, dont go to bed? it cant be that easy!
I'm not sure if you were joking or not, but insomnia is terrible. Someone with insomnia needs sleep just as hard as anyone else. They just can't. Result is that you're never really awake and never really asleep.
Zackly what i was saying but when it starts to inter fere with life for example you cant go to sleep worth crap during the school week you go to bed at 5:00 am then you wake up at 6:30 go to school come home at 3:00 pm go to bed until 10:00 pm then repeat wow thats my shcedule and its crazy dont leave much room for a job though ;)
Just read that topic you made bro where aquanina said to get a down comforter and you gave some more suggestions and she said to sleep nude :o wonder if its me but after seeing pic of aquanina + ........ :eek: thinks im in love lol
No more naps after school, kid. Make yourself stay awake til 9:00 PM and then hit the sack.
*Pop, Lightbulb goes on *
Yes, it is that afternoon nap that is killing you. My daughter had the same problem and was pretty much on the same schedule as you. Now, she gets up at 6:30, school until 3, wok until 9. She crashes about 11 now and falls asleep almost instantly.
ONe thing i have to do every night brfore i go to bed:
write in my journal, not my DJ, my personal one...i get out all my little niggles and gripes on paper.
sort it out in my head, and then i can sleep!!
If i don't write, i lie there thinking about it...it's almost like, as i'm writing about it, i'm thinking about it on a subconcious level and sorting it all out.
At times I like to listen to a trance induction track that someone posted on this website sometime ago. It helps carry you to the right state of mind and relaxation for falling asleep.
I did a search and the link for that track is still working if anyone wishes to give it a try.
Stephen LaBerge's trance induction CD track:
http://hybrid.concordia.ca/~victord/TranceIndNight.mp3
Check this out i tried like a huge combo of things you said the one i remember the most was me with wings or something. Then i thought to myself i was a stick or something with wings then i made pictures in my head counted breaths up to 100 and a bunch of other stuff and boom :o i was out cold and had 2 ld's ^_^ thanks a bunch guys.
By the way school has not started yet so im good for a while still summer break.
Word to the wise, do not mess with your sleep cycles. :nono: This kind of thing leads to people turning into pumpkins rather than princes. :damnit:
Brandon Heat: about 1.5 years ago, when I just started lucid dreaming, I was suffering from a terrible insomnia. Pretty much laying in bed for 3-4 hours without being able to fall asleep. After a couple weeks of this torture I started taking melatonin to help me fall asleep. It greatly helped me.
Melatonin eh? I will give this a shot is that the stuff i heard about i think you buy it at GNC or something am i right?
yeah, that's the sleep supplement. If you take it regularly, it makes it easier to fall asleep.
you can buy it in GNC, CVS or just about any pharmacy. I dont think you need anything other than money to buy it :D
It also increases the vividness and enchances the storyline of your dreams.
Another method that I find useful for falling asleep, but very bad for lucid dreaming is: just relax and let go. give in to the darkness in front of you. Like totally surrender your desire to remember any dreams, have any LDs or anything. You may fall asleep pretty fast, yet you will wake up in the morning with crappy recall....
Gah ha melatonin it is ^.^ and for the uh giving into darkness i did that this morning when i had my first dream i remembered it a little in my next dream then boom it was gone and then i could remember my next dream extremely good.
heck yeah fix that chemical imbalance!
i liked what tyrant said, omg DUDE that mp3 is freaky! lmao im telling you its a great mp3 but wow his voice is not the best for sleep induction! its fruity/scary. he sounds like my friends dad, its freaky. :lol: spooky
you should also try using the brainwavegenerator at www.bwgen.com i think. use the sleep induction preset. it makes me fall asleep when i use it to try wild...so i guess it works! but since your not eating healthy organic foods, get those melatonin suppliments asap!
Rofl i like your style bro :mrgreen: you think just like me :D dunno if thats a good or bad thing oh well :roll:
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As anyone ever thought it might be the type of bed your sleeping (or NOT sleeping on) If this is as bad as you state, then I would buy a "Number Bed" from Select Comfort. It is garanteed to help with your problem...just a thought...
The Rev.
Beds = money money = job job = bed i see my problem i should go fix it but im only 16 so :D guess its job searching time dun dun dun oh have any of you tried that uh temperpudic matress how is that thing?
Hey mate, what you need to do is look at your "Sleep Hygeine". When people talk about the body clock it isn't just a figure of speach. Their is a rhythm the body called the "Circadian System". If your not sleeping well you probably often feel fatigued and this is because your Circadian System is out of whack. (Right now im studying sleep in psychology so this should be some helpful info) To improve your sleep hygeine,
1. Go to bed at set times of the day and get up the same time every morning. (This gets the circadian system into a good ryhthm)
2. Only use your bed for sleep and sex. (This programs your body to only recognize your bed as a place to sleep. Watching TV and doing other activities from your bed interfere with this program and can cause diffuclty to sleep)
3. Don't go to bed too hungry or too full. If you feel empty when you go to bed have a "light" snack.
4. Having a hot bath 90 minutes before bed raises the temperature of the body. When the body begins to cool down this process naturally puts the body in a sleepy state.
5. Keep your room dark and quite from external noises.
6. To help your body clock improve every morning when you get out of bed go stand out in the sun. The sun contains about 2000 LUX (Lux is a measurement). Light bulbs don't work because they are only about 150 LUX.
7. Don't la in bed if you can't get to sleep. Get up and do something and wait until you feel sleepy to give sleep another try.
Anyway hope this helps. Good luck.
how is it you ask? decide for yourself!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...mpur-pedic.jpg
are the risks really worth it? :!:
I read that somewhere not all of it just bits and pieces but uh see hte problem is right hereYea well uh what if this process repeats until it is no longer sleep time? I.E school time or something else school is 5 days away so uh heh heh.Quote:
7. Don't la in bed if you can't get to sleep. Get up and do something and wait until you feel sleepy to give sleep another try. [/b]
Im headed to GNC tommorow to get some melatonin see if this helps also the tempurpudic matress what is your guys opinion on that so far i have heard Sleep Number and i heard temperpudic was good so whats your input.
With regard to beds: I have one of those memory foam mattress pad things. After about a month of use, it gets significantly softer than when new. If you prefer a firm bed, it's not for you. It did help my back considerably, though, because I can now do most stuff pain-free. It also insulates more than a normal mattress, so if you often find yourself too hot at night, don't get one.
Hm....My methods are pretty normal...
I just close my eyes and stare at the light patterns..and after 20 min of watching it..I get really exhausted..and I just give in....
My other method is to just think that I am in my own world..and I can do stuff and save ppl..bla bla bla...it's like I keep a birds eye view of my mind...I use this method the most...
That's about it.........>_>......
( YES...just what you needed....retarded methods from me. Lol. )
Lol i just noticed that picture :-P Looks like teh sleep number bed is what i should be shooting for since the temperpedic bed will cook me >.< and get one of them down comforters until i get a new matress :D
I think I may have insomnia, im usually up till 2 - 3 AM every night.... but what I do to get to sleep is listen to music while on the computer for a while, then go to bed and just wait for the first thing to pop into my mind and go along with the thought and within 15 minutes im asleep.
I stay up for a day or two at a time then fall asleep once you get day 3, 4, 5 things start looking bad :shakehead2:
well, its 3:30 am... Cant fall asleep. Well I almsot did. But then that fallign feleign jolted me up. sigh... oh well, i suppose ill try to go back to bed...