Thread: I want to be in my Lucid Dream or in Astral Plane forever

Yea, i know what you mean. But sadly you can't dreams are... well dreams and only that. Your brain creates those dreams you can't just shut of the rest of your brain, so that you only have the part that makes you dream. Leaving your physical body i believe is only posible when you die. Which a lot of people think is scary, but to me it's not really... I'm quite curious to find out what happens next, but in the meantime i want to live my life here to the fullest. We'll be stuck in plenty of Lucid Dreams and Astral Planes through our existence. And i mean, what makes lucid dreams that joyfull for me atleast is the fact that you can't really have them all the time, otherwise you'd get bored, as people do when they do something all the time

This life, this consciousness, is one that has allowed us to learn how to delve within our minds and come back to reality to contemplate the lessons we have learned. We only value our lucidity so much because it is apart from the norm. If we were in that much control of our ideas, lusts and wishes all of the time, just like how we are limited in reality, we would begin to feel the need to loose that control, just as we yearn for it. There is ways to leave this reality, and enter your own.. which is called phsycosis. However, I think your better off just dipping in every now and then.

Originally Posted by Validus

There is ways to leave this reality, and enter your own.. which is called phsycosis.

Can you please explain phsycosis to me?

Psychosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (duh)

Not nearly as fun as it probably sounds

Originally Posted by UdIe

whatever I said I mean it, real world isn't always that joyfull to me, when I am very powerful in my Lucid Dream, there is no limitations and I can summon anyone or anything I want, therefore is there anyway to leave my physical body and stay there permanently?

Enjoy it while it lasts, one day you will.

Psychosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, misspelled it. But there's the Wiki of it.

Originally Posted by Validus

Psychosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, misspelled it. But there's the Wiki of it.

Already did that

thank you everyone

Originally Posted by Validus

Psychosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, misspelled it. But there's the Wiki of it.

it says it's a mental disorder

Psychosis, in my own personal experience, is a state in which you are awake, and yet you are also dreaming. Everything that happens around you is very dream-like, and your interactions with people are like the interactions you would have in a dream. I can't really describe it, all I can say is that psychosis caused me to believe that the waking world is a dream that I'm dreaming, and I haven't been able to scratch that thought out of my head ever since. Everything that happened was just so... unexplainable.

Originally Posted by UdIe

it says it's a mental disorder

Because it is

Originally Posted by Promethean

Psychosis, in my own personal experience, is a state in which you are awake, and yet you are also dreaming. Everything that happens around you is very dream-like, and your interactions with people are like the interactions you would have in a dream. I can't really describe it, all I can say is that psychosis caused me to believe that the waking world is a dream that I'm dreaming, and I haven't been able to scratch that thought out of my head ever since. Everything that happened was just so... unexplainable.

it also can b like, there r things in our world which we can't see by our normal 2 eyes, but, during the stage of so called "Psychosis" the third eye is also opened with the other two eyes, so that we r able to encounter things which is unexplainable from a normal person's point of view. Just sharing my idea

Originally Posted by UdIe

Can you please explain phsycosis to me?

Psychosis is a false perception of reality, where the individual mistakes everything as real and to some extent loses contact with the real world;
schizophrenia is a form of psychosis.

Heroin addicts can also experience a psychosis, for example they might hear cries for help from someone that claims to be stuck in a possibly dangerous place and cause the heroin addict to take great risks trying to save the imagined figure.

So psychosis is definitely not something to pursue, no matter how close it might sound to lucid dreaming in some aspects.

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

Psychosis is a false perception of reality, where the individual mistakes everything as real and to some extent loses contact with the real world;
schizophrenia is a form of psychosis.

Heroin addicts can also experience a psychosis, for example they might hear cries for help from someone that claims to be stuck in a possibly dangerous place and cause the heroin addict to take great risks trying to save the imagined figure.

So psychosis is definitely not something to pursue, no matter how close it might sound to lucid dreaming in some aspects.

so it can occur from a drug addiction kinda stuffs?

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

Psychosis is a false perception of reality,

tell me what exactly is reality? there is no reality. someone suffering from psychosis "hallucinating imaginary figures" they don't know it's not real, they think there "hallucination" really exists. its only your perspective, it's real to them and that's there reality. you see reality doesn't exist because everyone's perception of "reality" varies.

^^ You can eat all the hallucinatory food you want, but it won't nourish your real body. Real starvation will really kill you. You can imagine apologizing to a friend you wronged, but it doesn't have the same effect as really apologizing. You can imagine a chair as much as you want, but when you try to sit your real body there, you'll still dump your real ass on the real floor. Believing something to be real is not the same as it actually being real, even if you really really really believe it.

Of course within your own mind belief can be a powerful motivator when dealing with nothing but thoughts ideas and the like. Those things are real, but the reality of a thought is quite a fleeting ephemeral thing, which changes in a moment like a wisp of mist - you can't hang your hat on it. The reality of a thought is very different from the reality of a rock or a cliff. Of course calling imagination a world is a misnomer, a matter of convenience, and doesn't mean it's in any way the same as the external world of concrete physical reality. We often confuse the two since the only way we can experience physical reality is through the mediation of our senses and conceptualization. It can be very tempting to imagine that, since everything we experience is only through imagination - the stuff of dreams as LaBerge has taught us (and others before him of course), then maybe there is no distinction between the two - that if we wish hard enough, then just like in a dream, that wishing might cause real changes. But it only causes these changes within the projected world of ideas through which we experience reality. To imagine that it can do more than that is solipsism, except insofar as our own thoughts can motivate us to real action that then affects physical reality.

It's important to maintain the distinction between physical reality and our own conceptual experience of it.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

^^ You can eat all the hallucinatory food you want, but it won't nourish your real body. Real starvation will really kill you. You can imagine apologizing to a friend you wronged, but it doesn't have the same effect as really apologizing. You can imagine a chair as much as you want, but when you try to sit your real body there, you'll still dump your real ass on the real floor. Believing something to be real is not the same as it actually being real, even if you really really really believe it.

Of course within your own mind belief can be a powerful motivator when dealing with nothing but thoughts ideas and the like. Those things are real, but the reality of a thought is quite a fleeting ephemeral thing, which changes in a moment like a wisp of mist - you can't hang your hat on it. The reality of a thought is very different from the reality of a rock or a cliff. Of course calling imagination a world is a misnomer, a matter of convenience, and doesn't mean it's in any way the same as the external world of concrete physical reality. We often confuse the two since the only way we can experience physical reality is through the mediation of our senses and conceptualization. It can be very tempting to imagine that, since everything we experience is only through imagination - the stuff of dreams as LaBerge has taught us (and others before him of course), then maybe there is no distinction between the two - that if we wish hard enough, then just like in a dream, that wishing might cause real changes. But it only causes these changes within the projected world of ideas through which we experience reality. To imagine that it can do more than that is solipsism, except insofar as our own thoughts can motivate us to real action that then affects physical reality.

It's important to maintain the distinction between physical reality and our own conceptual experience of it.

if u don't eat u will die in this reality just like if u die in ur dream u will wake up in this reality

That's a fallacy. Many of us have had dreams involving dying. Often the dream then leads to one of an afterlife or becoming a zombie or just ends one dream and begins another. Besides that I don't see what point you were trying to make? Are you implying that if you don't eat your body will die but your dreaming self will continue? Where's the evidence?

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

That's a fallacy. Many of us have had dreams involving dying. Often the dream then leads to one of an afterlife or becoming a zombie or just ends one dream and begins another. Besides that I don't see what point you were trying to make? Are you implying that if you don't eat your body will die but your dreaming self will continue? Where's the evidence?

I meant that, if u die in ur dream u will start a new dream or will wake up in this reality, which means if u die in this reality u gonna wake up in other reality or existence whatever u say. The reality we r living in right now, our consciousness were made like that, where we believe if we don't eat we gonna die and so it happens. From our consciousness we see those who r not eating in this reality r having lack of nourishment in their bodies and dying, but, did u ever think abt them? can u confirm that they experience the same as u r seeing or experiencing from ur perspective? that's what I was trying to tell u

Well, yes, they really are starving to death. And as far as we can tell, our consciousness is created by our physical brains and bodies. Perhaps our consciousness can exist beyond the body, and death, but it hasn't been verified yet, so best not to risk it.

You could take up meditation, and/or writing. reading and video games are also good, and mostly safe forms of escapism, although I can understand if they seem a pale comparison to lucid dreaming and astral travel.

Originally Posted by UdIe

I meant that, if u die in ur dream u will start a new dream or will wake up in this reality, which means if u die in this reality u gonna wake up in other reality or existence whatever u say.

Well, first, as I already said, many people have dreams where they die and then find themselves in an afterlife or as a zombie - so the first part of your statement is wrong. And the second part does not follow logically at all from it. Even if it was true that when you die in a dream you wake up or go into another dream, it doesn't mean anything necessarily.

Originally Posted by UdIe

The reality we r living in right now, our consciousness were made like that, where we believe if we don't eat we gonna die and so it happens. From our consciousness we see those who r not eating in this reality r having lack of nourishment in their bodies and dying, but, did u ever think abt them? can u confirm that they experience the same as u r seeing or experiencing from ur perspective? that's what I was trying to tell u

These things you're saying are just wild speculation - I asked for evidence and you haven't supplied any. What you're saying essentially is that all of our senses are somehow being tricked, and every scientific device we use to study the world is also being tricked, somehow in a way so they all agree completely on the nature of the world.

Ok, if this is true, first of all how would you know it? Second, how on earth would you know anything about the 'real' world - what kind of senses or devices are you using, and what makes you think they're not being tricked?

Since all the evidence overwhelmingly supports the world being as it seems to be, and there's really no evidence to suggest otherwise, what do you base these claims on?

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Well, first, as I already said, many people have dreams where they die and then find themselves in an afterlife or as a zombie - so the first part of your statement is wrong. And the second part does not follow logically at all from it. Even if it was true that when you die in a dream you wake up or go into another dream, it doesn't mean anything necessarily.

whatever u think is ur point of view and i can't force u to believe what m believing, BTW, when u r saying that when some ppl die in their dream and find themselves in an afterlife or as a "Zombie" , how can u b so sure that my statement is wrong? and if u mentioned it literally they find themselves in an afterlife or become a "Zombie" , then should provide me some evidence. Did u die at least once or if so can u remember anything from ur past life? I can give ur answer and that is "No". Therefore why u r acting so Inelastic, when ur statement doesn't have any evidence and in some cases don't make any sense! BTW, ur statement abt the "Zombie" making the conversation kinda weird.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

These things you're saying are just wild speculation - I asked for evidence and you haven't supplied any. What you're saying essentially is that all of our senses are somehow being tricked, and every scientific device we use to study the world is also being tricked, somehow in a way so they all agree completely on the nature of the world.

Ok, if this is true, first of all how would you know it? Second, how on earth would you know anything about the 'real' world - what kind of senses or devices are you using, and what makes you think they're not being tricked?

Since all the evidence overwhelmingly supports the world being as it seems to be, and there's really no evidence to suggest otherwise, what do you base these claims on?

when Sir Isaac Newton, invented the theory of gravity, everybody thought he is crazy, when Galileo Galilei first explained about the "Earth moves around the Sun" theory, he has been tried to be killed. There is many more stuffs happened in history where ppl got harassed for a certain claim and later ppl found their claims were "TRUE" . anyway, m not saying ur one is wrong and my one is true, but, if my one is true, all exist in one, at the same time nothing exists! The evidence is in font of u. Observe ur world and surroundings carefully and u will know the truth.

Originally Posted by UdIe

whatever u think is ur point of view and i can't force u to believe what m believing, BTW, when u r saying that when some ppl die in their dream and find themselves in an afterlife or as a "Zombie" , how can u b so sure that my statement is wrong? and if u mentioned it literally they find themselves in an afterlife or become a "Zombie" , then should provide me some evidence. Did u die at least once or if so can u remember anything from ur past life? I can give ur answer and that is "No". Therefore why u r acting so Inelastic, when ur statement doesn't have any evidence and in some cases don't make any sense! BTW, ur statement abt the "Zombie" making the conversation kinda weird.

So you're going to treat facts as if they're no more valid than anyone's merest conjecture?

Originally Posted by UdIe

when Sir Isaac Newton, invented the theory of gravity, everybody thought he is crazy, when Galileo Galilei first explained about the "Earth moves around the Sun" theory, he has been tried to be killed. There is many more stuffs happened in history where ppl got harassed for a certain claim and later ppl found their claims were "TRUE" . anyway, m not saying ur one is wrong and my one is true, but, if my one is true, all exist in one, at the same time nothing exists! The evidence is in font of u. Observe ur world and surroundings carefully and u will know the truth.

Really, you bring up 2 great scientists when what you're presenting is spiritualism? Or are you a published scientist yourself as well?

Originally Posted by Promethean

Psychosis, in my own personal experience, is a state in which you are awake, and yet you are also dreaming. Everything that happens around you is very dream-like, and your interactions with people are like the interactions you would have in a dream. I can't really describe it, all I can say is that psychosis caused me to believe that the waking world is a dream that I'm dreaming, and I haven't been able to scratch that thought out of my head ever since. Everything that happened was just so... unexplainable.

something like Inception