Can't Maintain a Lucid Dream

So I have quite a bit of Lucid dreams, but they are what I would call half lucid, where I somewhat know I am dreaming since I will start changing the world at will, but also I have to pretend that what I is happening is not actually because I am making it happen, or I will immediately wake up or run into a nightmare.

So for the first example alot of the times I will be starting a dream and then go "hey this isn't real!" and immediately wake up since I realized I was dreaming.

Then there are times that I can kind of lucid dream, but everything I change in the dream makes me slowly become more awake, I've tried alot to stabilize the the dream by just relaxing and pretending nothing happened in the dream, but once I start waking up I won't stop, only prolong it until I can't prolong it anymore and wake up.

Then there's the times when I will be fully aware that I'm in a dream, and then right when I try to do something, the dream becomes a nightmare and I basically lose all control.
A good example of this is very recently I was screwing around with moving objects with my mind in the dream when I started spinning a doll around and all of the sudden I couldn't spin it anymore and it just attacked me.

(Btw when I'm lucid dreaming it just happens, I never tried any lucid dreaming techniques that worked for me)

Has anyone else had experiences like these and have any suggestions on what to do?

First off, lucid dreaming is when you become aware that you are dreaming, not where you bend the dream to your will. Anytime you notice you are dreaming, regardless of ejection, is a full lucid dream - though, it is unsatisfyingly short.

Your first example is a completely normal thing when starting out. Premature ejection from a dream is common when you start out - they get longer and longer as you get better and better.

Your second example is also a common thing - controlling objects is somewhat difficult when you start out. Again, you get better with practice.

The third example is a little odd, mostly because I know the feeling. However, keep in mind that this is your dream, and you can beat the nightmare into the ground.

I suggest you not wory about trying to do so much in your dreams - just start with awareness, then slowly build up on it. If you try too hard to do what you want, you'll be falling on your face a lot - take it slow and easy.

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First off, lucid dreaming is when you become aware that you are dreaming, not where you bend the dream to your will. Anytime you notice you are dreaming, regardless of ejection, is a full lucid dream - though, it is unsatisfyingly short.

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What exactly do you mean by aware that you are dreaming? Because I usually can tell that I am in a dream by the way it progresses, but I still can't really control things, no even my body in the dream.
Like I know that I am dreaming when I force myself to ignore things in the dream so it doesn't turn into a nightmare (things like I see a deformed body in a bathtub or something), but other than that I basically can't control anything.

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Your first example is a completely normal thing when starting out. Premature ejection from a dream is common when you start out - they get longer and longer as you get better and better.

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How exactly do I get past this stage? I pretty much have no time to do any stabilizing once I realize I'm dreaming.

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The third example is a little odd, mostly because I know the feeling. However, keep in mind that this is your dream, and you can beat the nightmare into the ground.

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It honestly just freaks me out too much for me to do any beating, and when I start freaking out, it only gets worse. My nightmares usually go with a domino effect, where if I let the first scary thing happen, it will inevitably end in me trying to commit suicide in the dream or me being killed in another strange way.

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What exactly do you mean by aware that you are dreaming? Because I usually can tell that I am in a dream by the way it progresses, but I still can't really control things, no even my body in the dream.

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This is where you see something out of place - such as the deformed body in a tub - and question the realm you're in. From there, you should do a reality check, just to be sure that you are indeed dreaming.

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How exactly do I get past this stage? I pretty much have no time to do any stabilizing once I realize I'm dreaming.

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This just takes time - focus on becoming aware that you are dreaming first, and they will get longer and longer.

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It honestly just freaks me out too much for me to do any beating, and when I start freaking out, it only gets worse. My nightmares usually go with a domino effect, where if I let the first scary thing happen, it will inevitably end in me trying to commit suicide in the dream or me being killed in another strange way.

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This is actually okay - just find a way to remain calm and bring yourself out of the dream.

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Originally Posted by PKJacker

What exactly do you mean by aware that you are dreaming? Because I usually can tell that I am in a dream by the way it progresses, but I still can't really control things, no even my body in the dream.
Like I know that I am dreaming when I force myself to ignore things in the dream so it doesn't turn into a nightmare (things like I see a deformed body in a bathtub or something), but other than that I basically can't control anything.



How exactly do I get past this stage? I pretty much have no time to do any stabilizing once I realize I'm dreaming.


It honestly just freaks me out too much for me to do any beating, and when I start freaking out, it only gets worse. My nightmares usually go with a domino effect, where if I let the first scary thing happen, it will inevitably end in me trying to commit suicide in the dream or me being killed in another strange way.

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That's not weird or anything.

Things like this used to happen to me when I first started out.

Though, I was only 10 at the time.

All I want to say is if you think about giving up, don't. I thought about giving up after my poor experiences, but I stayed with it.

And look at me now, almost 600 LDs.

A majority of those lasting anywhere from 20-30 minutes.

The only requirement for a dream to be lucid is for the dreamer to know, while in a dream, that he is dreaming.

How much he remembers from his waking life, and ability to take control of the dream is more related to the level of awareness. We can be fully aware, remember where our sleeping body is, our lucid goals, or anything else. Or we can be just barely aware, just enough to realize that we are dreaming, but not much more. And anything in between.

Sometimes we can have grat awareness, but not so great control, and vice versa.

Try to practice some daytime awareness. Which is basically paying attention to your surroundings.

Well it happened again yesterday. I became lucid and right when I did, I felt too tired to maintain it really. First I kept going into third person mode until I forced myself to stay in first person, I immediately thought of trying to do time dilation using a watch or something, but that thought quickly left because I almost completely fell asleep and lost being lucid in the dream.
Then I tried to keep my mind busy by first modifying the girl I was walking with in the dream, then after I finished that I immediately began to start to fall asleep again so I quickly made a second girl and started walking with them, but then I couldn't come up with where we were heading fast enough, so I left the body I was controlling and completely fell asleep, no idea what happened after.

I really didn't go to bed much later than I usually do, so am I just not used to having an active mind in a dream? Usually when I go lucid and am able to maintain it, the dream is scary, so maybe I should try making monsters to keep me awake?

Do you have any tips on how to stay awake during a dream?


EDIT: Just realized I posted this is the wrong thread, it was meant to be a part of http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...dle-dream.html