How about using hypnosis to plant suggestions to become lucid??
I made another thread directly on using hypnosis for LD - I will ask a mod to merge it with this poll - but I wanted to get a picture, how many of us have personal experience with it.
And to read the stories around it.
To see, on whom "it worked", find out, who can do it herself ..
I guess, somebody who can hypnotize others, can also hypnotize herself, so I threw them together - correct me, if I'm wrong..
As I said next door - I would love to learn hypnotizing - myself and others.
It's a plan for the future to go and learn it properly at a real life academy - not soon, but I will do it.
Maybe up to then experiment with self-hypnosis - I will see.
I am very fascinated by the phenomenon - I'm not up to speed about the scientific activities on the topic at the moment - but the department of neurology in Berlin Charité has been at it intensely around 10 years ago - I came to talk to one of the researchers back then, but didn't follow it up.
That's next door to where they also did part of the LD-research with MRI etc. by the way.
My only personal experience is having been hypnotized through the TV.
Yepp - that was actually a talent show - and this experiment was the culmination of what he did on stage.
I've only been to such shows live as a kid, and to my immense frustration wasn't allowed to take part.
So I thought - lets see - and it worked.
Not only what the objective was - namely that you couldn't take apart your fingers for a while, after having entangled them - but this sense of calm and peace and well-being he also implanted - it staid with me all day.
Since I had a lot of trouble on my mind that day and a rather nasty mood - it was a really obvious effect. Lovely.
Looking forward to your stories!
02-14-2014, 12:29 AM
TwitchLucidity
Wait hypnosis actually works? :O
It probably would, but I dunno. :D
02-14-2014, 01:13 AM
fogelbise
Not much help, but I'll try...I have only tried something I imagined to be like self-hypnosis in order to get to sleep when having the occasional insomnia but I came across these posts:
I also found a website that has a lot of things for sale but details a procedure to use self-hypnosis for lucid dreaming in a free section when I did a google search of: hypnosis lucid dreaming.
02-14-2014, 11:41 AM
Valdast94
I think it may help.
Last night I had my third DILD and during the day something strange happened and I think the two things are correlated. Basically I was meditating and I was very still, but at the same time a little drowsy (this has already happened to me though). Anyway, at some point I fell asleep and woke up immediately after but I felt like a rush of energy run into my body. I kept meditating and after a while I started having hypnagogic hallucinations..I saw like a cascade and heard some strange noises. I guess I could try a WILD at that point, but I actually decided to repeat my LD mantras and I actually felt them sinking in more than previosly.
Long story short, I definetely think that meditation, visualization and (self) hypnosis are really cool tools to get better at lucid dreams.
02-14-2014, 02:20 PM
StephL
Great - thanks for the links fogelbise!
I was more thinking about going to a hypnotist with a good reputation and have it done from externally.
It sure is possible to do self-hypnosis - and it is surely also possible to learn how to self-hypnotise from reading tutorials - but how do I know, I really learned it properly?
Would love - and actually plan on - learning to do both - hypnosis and self-hypnosis at a real-life academy - but that's for the future - not bound to happen soon.
I wonder, how many people on here have actually been hypnotized not for show-purposes only, but for purposes of therapy or performance enhancement of some sort.
02-14-2014, 02:40 PM
Amiana
I've been thinking about giving this a try out of curiosity, your thread just reminded me of it. I might just have to go do it now. Sounds like a fun thing to learn too!
02-14-2014, 05:11 PM
Sibyline
Interesting idea. How would you construct such a suggestion?
02-15-2014, 05:25 AM
StephL
That is a good question.
You wouldn't want to be over-intrusive - not transforming every singly dream into a lucid one.
Maybe attach it to the occurrence of a dreamsign first - like - every time you are dreaming of xyz - you do a RC and realize, that you are dreaming.
See how well that works and go from there.
I made a poll too, about experience with hypnosis in general - and I wanted this thread merged onto it - will ask again.
I've never undergone hypnosis, but I think I would let a pro do it to help me get lucid, sure! Why not?
02-16-2014, 09:42 AM
Bobblehat
I know Dreamviews user McWillis has done very many experiments regarding achieving lucidity - using hypnosis is among them. Definitely someone to contact.
02-16-2014, 04:13 PM
Sibyline
I'm glad you got the poll merged with the other thread. I was getting all confused, and the discussion was even bleeding into Voldmer's thread about finding lost things.
Right... yesterday I went hunting for self-hypnosis scripts in order to test this idea, and wouldn't you know it? The first one I stumbled upon included scripts for dream recall and lucid dreaming, and I hadn't even put those in as search terms! Coincidence, synchronicity or just dumb luck, I decided to take it for a spin. I read the induction script aloud to myself, then the dream recall and lucid dreaming scripts back-to-back, and finally the wake-up script. I suppose I could have left out the final one, but I had to pick up some laundry before going back to bed.
I got back and went back to sleep, and when I woke up later in the morning, I immediately remembered 4 dreams and a failed WILD attempt. That's a lot for a 3-hour WBTB! :shock:
So I will re-state the question I posed in my journal:
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Originally Posted by Sibyline's dream journal
What do you think? Either that self-hypnosis script works like a charm, or it was a situation similar to how many people have their first LD right after hearing about them for the first time.
I guess we won't know until I try it a few times more, but tonight was definitely a win! I felt elated when I remembered all of these - not quite the post-lucid giddiness, but still a very good feeling.
02-24-2014, 10:36 PM
StephL
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Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue
I've never undergone hypnosis, but I think I would let a pro do it to help me get lucid, sure! Why not?
Yupp! Whatever makes us fly!
Unfortunately, what comes to my mind now, is a study, which Zoth brought along somewhere else, on the effectiveness of different induction methods - and posthypnotic suggestion was among them - and didn't seem to bring much.
But upon reading further into the actual publication - like so many LD studies unfortunately/fortunately they didn't do that research properly and not many people, if I remember this correctly here.
So no need to give up on it just yet.
I would definitively go to a professional, too, since I know nobody privately - not that it doesn't work, and it's her fault! :D
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Originally Posted by Bobblehat
I know Dreamviews user McWillis has done very many experiments regarding achieving lucidity - using hypnosis is among them. Definitely someone to contact.
Thank you! Will do!
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Originally Posted by Sibyline
I'm glad you got the poll merged with the other thread. I was getting all confused, and the discussion was even bleeding into Voldmer's thread about finding lost things.
Right... yesterday I went hunting for self-hypnosis scripts in order to test this idea, and wouldn't you know it? The first one I stumbled upon included scripts for dream recall and lucid dreaming, and I hadn't even put those in as search terms! Coincidence, synchronicity or just dumb luck, I decided to take it for a spin. I read the induction script aloud to myself, then the dream recall and lucid dreaming scripts back-to-back, and finally the wake-up script. I suppose I could have left out the final one, but I had to pick up some laundry before going back to bed.
I got back and went back to sleep, and when I woke up later in the morning, I immediately remembered 4 dreams and a failed WILD attempt. That's a lot for a 3-hour WBTB! :shock:
So I will re-state the question I posed in my journal:
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What do you think? Either that self-hypnosis script works like a charm, or it was a situation similar to how many people have their first LD right after hearing about them for the first time.
I guess we won't know until I try it a few times more, but tonight was definitely a win! I felt elated when I remembered all of these - not quite the post-lucid giddiness, but still a very good feeling.
Heey - great!!
:)
It sure could be the positive expectation - and if it was just that - happy for you!
But please do keep us posted, how this develops further on.
Wishing you a fantastic lucid from it and keeping up that great recall!
Also thanks for linking up Voldmer's thread with all the overspill.
05-23-2014, 03:37 PM
StephL
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Soo - found this thread.
Took me 3 months after opening it, but now I have some experience!
First of all - huuuge thank you again Sibyline for your link - and to FORBES ROBBINS BLAIR for making parts of his book INSTANT SELF HYPNOSIS - HOW TO HYPNOTISE YOURSELF WITH YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN available in the net!
I did four sessions and of course I can't be completely sure about it - I made a mistake with recommending a high dose of Melatonin before, and it proved to be non-feasible in the end - but that was only one exceptional night ..
Buut - now I am quite euphoric again - I really think hypnosis "did wonders" for my lucidity - and my anecdotal evidence is nice this time!
So I converted the relevant scripts into text format for easy printing and adding your own stuff - which I hope is okay.
For those not being aware - you read it to yourself aloud!
Anyway - here goes:
Spoiler for LDing and recall scripts:
THE INSTANT SELF-HYPNOSIS READER'S INDUCTION:
"Feeling a sense of privacy and comfort, I allow the sound of my own voice to soothe my mind and body while I speak slowly and softly. My body is slowing down as though everything is moving in slow motion. With every word I read and every sound I utter, I feel more relaxed and at peace.
Moment by moment, my mind is becoming as clear as the surface of a calm and quiet mountain lake.
"As my mind clears, I use my imagination to relax more deeply while I read. I imagine that I am sitting on a comfortable chair on a beautiful beach. With my peripheral vision, I see the golden sand that surrounds me ... and the waves crashing on the shore. I hear the gentle and rhythmic sounds they make. I feel a moist sea breeze waft over my body. I notice the warm sun on my skin. I feel its golden touch on my scalp, allowing me to let go of any excess tension in my scalp.
All of my thoughts seem to quiet down now as I concentrate my attention on the sun's warmth on my face ... on my cheeks ... on my ears ... and around my jaw. The healing light seems to caress my neck and to warm my throat, allowing the words to flow easily and effortlessly from my mouth. It feels as though hundreds of tiny fingers of light are massaging my shoulders and my upper back as I relax-waves of warmth and relaxation cascade down ... down my arms and out through my fingers.
"As I take a slow breath and exhale I become aware of this relaxing feeling filling my chest (take a breath and exhale slowly). A golden-yellow radiance floods my solar plexus as I take another slow breath and release it (take another breath) ...
and I feel sense of tranquillity and deep peacefulness fill my entire stomach area. I mentally scan my hips, pelvis, and buttocks ... and let any tension or anxiety there be gently washed away by a stream of light. I become aware of my legs now ... they are almost aglow as sunlight floods down through them. My legs feel so relaxed. Even my feet and toes feel warm and comfortable ... warm and comfortable now.
"As I bask in the glorious sun, I imagine closing my eyes as I prepare to hypnotize myself. I draw three slow deep breaths (draw three deep breaths). For a few moments I can see the glow of orange light through my closed eyelids. But now that light fades into a comforting darkness as I draw my attention inward ... inward ... toward the center of my mind.
"I imagine that I am approaching a tall, modern, and familiar building. I walk through the revolving door and step into a beautiful lobby. Inside the building stands a strong, armed security guard who secures the building from intruders. The guard looks at me with a steely glare, but then recognizes me as the owner of the building. The guard works for me. I give the guard a self-satisfied nod and make my way toward the elevator. I see the reflection of myself in the mirrorlike surface of the elevator doors. I look relaxed and confident. I press the down arrow and the doors of the elevator open. I feel very safe as I step into a spacious and luxurious elevator car. I turn toward the panel of buttons which indicate the floor numbers. I press the number ten, which lights up as the elevator doors close. The elevator car begins to move down smoothly through the long, deep elevator shaft... with a very gentle humming sound. I watch the numbered lights above the door as they change. Each number lights up for a moment as the elevator moves past the indicated floor.
As the numbers change ... one by one ... 1 feel myself descending to a wonderful place within myself. .. far beneath the surface.
"One ... 1 watch the numbers as the elevator moves down ... deeper down with every number.
"Two ... deeper beneath the surface of this great structure ... down below the surface now.
"Three by the time I reach the tenth number, I will be hypnotized.
"Four 1 will be hypnotized with my eyes open ... open to all beneficial suggestions.
"Five I feel myself descending ... smoothly ... effortlessly.
"Six still watching the number change above the door. .. one by one.
"Seven ... going deeper now ... feeling peaceful and relaxed.
"Eight. .. 1 am safe .. .I feel calm ... going down ... down ... deeper down.
"Nine 1 allow myself to enter into hypnosis with my eyes open.
"Ten the elevator car comes to a smooth halt as I reach my destination.
"As the doors open, I enter into a comfortably furnished reading room. A burning log in the fireplace crackles and blazes brightly, as if welcoming me into the chamber. I approach a very comfortable-looking chair and sit down. I pick up a book on a small table next to the chair. I read the cover of the book, which says Instant Self Hypnosis. I open the book and begin to read. And the words address me directly and seem to jump off of the pages and into my mind. Here is what they say:
You are now hypnotized with your eyes open. You are now highly suggestible. You will remain in hypnosis while you read the suggestions for your goal. Your mind soaks in the suggestions now the way a sponge soaks in water. You can easily stay hypnotized with your eyes open until you read the 'Wake-Up.' You remain calm and focused as you turn to your bookmark.'"
(Please turn to your selected script.)
LUCID DREAMS TONIGHT:
The following suggestions are designed to encourage dreams in which one becomes self-aware.
"I become aware that I am dreaming while I continue to dream. I am now able to realize while asleep that I am in the midst of a dream. I am aware when I am dreaming, and I control my own actions. I have lucid dreams, without waking up from sleep. I will realize that I am actually asleep in bed but that I am still asleep as I dream. I will become a self-aware observer as well as a participant of my dreams. When I become aware that I am dreaming, I have more control over my dreams. I am able to effect the outcome of my dreams as I become self-aware while dreaming. I will have more fun while I sleep as I become lucid while dreaming.
"I imagine myself in bed asleep at night. From somewhere deep inside my mind .. .images, sounds, and feelings are conjured, as my mind's inner movie projector presents a dream.
Suddenly, in a flash of insight, I feel myself become aware that the images are a projection of my mind ... 1 realize that I am in the middle of a dream. I am completely aware that what I see, hear, and feel is a product of my own mind. I also realize that I can say or do anything I wish to say or do in the dream as the dream continues. I can even choose to change the images and events in the dream by gently and confidently using my will power.
"I am a lucid dreamer now. I experience lucid dreams.
Spoiler for my WILD addition draft - to be improved ..:
I do not only realize, that I am dreaming, while I am in the dream – I am also able to transition into a lucid dream directly from the waking state.
It comes naturally to me to balance awareness exactly so, that I am able to fall asleep, while I remain completely lucid at the same time, like in waking life.
My intentions for the dream - what I daydream about before the transition - will be part of my lucid dream later on.
I concentrate on my breathing, and I watch the images on the back of my eyelids, and relax. I experience vibrations then, and glide over effortlessly into my lucid dream. The transition from waking state into the lucid dream comes completely naturally to me, it is effortless and takes only a few minutes of patience for its completion.
All of my lucid dreams are long, and vivid, and very stable – everything looks feels and sounds completely realistic, or even hyper-realistic, right from the start. The visual quality of my dreams is extraordinarily good, even sublime, over the full duration of my lucid dreams.
All my other senses are working on such a level of quality as well, and I am in full control of my dream-body, and of my actions and interactions with my inner virtual world. I am always fully aware, that I am dreaming, and that all I experience in my dream, is a product of my own imagination. I can do anything I want in my lucid dreams – change the scenery, teleport, summon things or people, transform into another creature – and anything else, this mind of mine can think up! I am confident in my mastery of the dreamworld - dream-control of any level comes easily to me, naturally.
Beginning tonight, I will produce a dream in which I become self-aware. I will know that I am dreaming and that I have full control over my actions in the dream. I will remember the lucid dreams that I have so that I can enjoy thinking about them the next day. I am a lucid dreamer. I have lucid dreams when I sleep."
(The Wake-Up)
"I will awaken from hypnosis by counting to five. When I reach the number five, I will become fully alert and wide awake. One ... beginning to awaken from hypnosis. Two ... becoming aware of my surroundings ... feeling satisfied, safe, and comfortable. Three .. .looking forward to positive results from this hypnosis session. Four. .. feeling absolutely wonderful. FIVE ... FIVE ... FIVE ... now wide awake and fully alert."
Don't do a wakeup in between, if you do two scripts, of course. And my stuff is untested and I found language to be important - it didn't work in translation to German - at least not as well - didn't feel as hypnotizing. And I personally would do recall first, if I did both, which I didn't yet.
AMAZING DREAM RECALL:
The following suggestions are designed to promote retention of dreams upon awakening.
"I remember my dreams when I wake up in the morning. My memory of my dreams and all of the details gets better and better every day. Upon awakening, I'm able to recall the images, sounds, and feelings I experienced in my dreams. I can do this very easily and effortlessly. I retain ... in vivid detail. .. the events as they appeared in my dreams. I value the ability of my subconscious mind to create dreams for me. I am strengthening the communication between my conscious and subconscious minds right now through the tool of hypnosis. And I use hypnosis as a means to instruct my subconscious to allow perfect recall of my dreams upon awakening. My mind records and remembers dreams that are important for me to recall.
"I feel a sense of satisfaction that I am able to recount the images and events from my dreams. I am able to recall dreams and write down all details with total clarity if I choose. By remembering my dreams, I will gain insights to my life in order to live better and be more productive. I imagine waking up in the morning now, after a restful night's sleep. As I lay in bed, I remain quiet and allow my mind to recall the details of an important dream I had while asleep. I picture myself remembering the dream so vividly ... that it's like experiencing it all over again, even while I am awake. The details are vivid and bright, and the events are fresh in my mind. I reach for a notepad or journal next to the bed and I write down the dream I had with perfect clarity. I can remember exactly how the dream began, how it ended ... and all of the details of the dream in between. First this, then that, and so on ... until I have recalled the entire dream. From now on, when I wake up, the memory of dreams from the night instantly surface in my mind ... swiftly and with ease and clarity. Tomorrow morning when I awaken naturally from sleep, I will pause for a minute before getting out of bed. And as I relax for a minute, the memory of the night's dreams will become fully active. I will remember the night's dreams with complete ease. I will let the vivid details of the dreams rise to the surface of my awareness. I will have total and amazing recall of my dreams."
(The Wake-Up)
"I will awaken from hypnosis by counting to five. When I reach the number five, I will become fully alert and wide awake. One ... beginning to awaken from hypnosis. Two ... becoming aware of my surroundings ... feeling satisfied, safe, and comfortable. Three .. .looking forward to positive results from this hypnosis session. Four ... feeling absolutely wonderful. FIVE ... FIVE ... FIVE ... now wide awake and fully alert."
I should get at this more systematically - but what I can say, is that with the first three sessions - I had twice one mini-LD associated (in the following/2/3 nights somewhere), and once it were two. Twice I did something else as well - RCs, WBTB, bit of MILD on the same day as the session. Except the very latest LDs, the few I had were only mini for a bit more than a couple of months, much to my dismay.
Then two weeks no daytime practice at all and no lucidity at all, too.
Then the 4th repetition on the 14.05.14 - with a bit of daytime/WBTB on the same day = once, and 10 days ago:
Got lucid on the 15th, 16th, 18th, 20th and last night. Two of them were mini - two of them were proper count-worthy longer ones, and last night I decided to go on non-lucidly - I can be such an idiot when I sleep ..
5 Times in 9 days!!
And I botched two of the in between nights on my own account by going to bed after 3:00 pm, bit drunk, too. Attachment 7109
I would be really happy, if you interested people tried that out as well, and told us about if and how it works for you!
It's something novel and as such fun, and it doesn't take a lot of time or effort - unfortunately it gets boring, but it's worth it, I believe, and worth to do it several times! Maybe people are hypnotizable to a different degree and I'm an exception - maybe it's going to loose it's effectiveness further on - but maybe not!!
Further reports will follow - if I don't hit LDinggoddessness before - I plan on 10 sessions in all.
If you want to check the count and dates - look in my DILD workbook - part is not in my DJ - even that I didn't do properly ..Attachment 7110
02-05-2016, 11:21 PM
Hirondelle
News on old thread?
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Originally Posted by StephL
Soo - found this thread.
And I botched two of the in between nights on my own account by going to bed after 3:00 pm, bit drunk, too. Attachment 7109
I would be really happy, if you interested people tried that out as well, and told us about if and how it works for you!
It's something novel and as such fun, and it doesn't take a lot of time or effort - unfortunately it gets boring, but it's worth it, I believe, and worth to do it several times! Maybe people are hypnotizable to a different degree and I'm an exception - maybe it's going to loose it's effectiveness further on - but maybe not!!
Further reports will follow - if I don't hit LDinggoddessness before - I plan on 10 sessions in all.
If you want to check the count and dates - look in my DILD workbook - part is not in my DJ - even that I didn't do properly ..Attachment 7110
Found this thread when looking for an answer to the same question as the one in the original post. I see that OP StephL is still active on DV. What happened after this StephL, did you abandon (self)hyposis, and if so, why?
