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      Deja vous

      At the Creamfields Dance Festival I went to recently I had some very dominating and vivid deja vous. It was like a double deja vous because I had even seen me commenting on my deja vous before. In other words, in reality I said to myself "This is deja vous, and this happens next" but that was also in what I had experienced before.

      And it came to my thinking that, is deja vous and dreaming connected at all? I had never been to Creamfields before so it was obviously not a real memory repeating on me. Had I dreamt it a few days ago? If so, how did I know that those exact events were going to occur in reality?

      Does anyone have an explanation for deja vous? I absolutely love it, it's so deep to think about. Just how does it happen? How have we experienced, or how do we know of, an event before it actually happens in reality?

      I hope that made sense. It's harder than you think to explain deja vous. Anyway, what do you guys think?

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      THe explanation for deja vous is something like your mind storing the same memory twice, once in the short term memory(right when it happens) but also in the longterm memory so since it is in the longterm memory you think you have already seen it somewhere before

      or thats like the simple explanatioon... sorta
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      i dont know about the connection with dej vous and dreaming, but i think so for some people. poeple with ESP cansometimes guesss something is about to happen, or get it in a dream. i believe in ESP.
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      I am not sure about it but I think that in your dreams your mind ‘practice’ possible situations that it had already ‘calculated’ that may happen. After the dream this mental experiments are stored on your long term memory but they do not trigger until the actually happens. So they are not a premonition since you didn’t saw the future on your dream. What you saw is a calculation a guess like the ones you do when your wake up. But given that this guess was made maybe several days before when they by chance actually happen they become a ‘non mystical’ phenomenon that will feel like a premonition and even better sometimes can actually work as a rudimentary premonition. But always remember that this mental process is only an ‘educated guess’ made by your dreams and might not be 100% perfect.

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      Originally posted by Alucinor Architecton
      i dont know about the connection with dej vous and dreaming, but i think so for some people. poeple with ESP cansometimes guesss something is about to happen, or get it in a dream. i believe in ESP.
      Yeah, I get those types of dreams alot.....
      And I guess 75% in real life, too....
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      déjà vu is a sensible glitch in the Matrix that occurs when it is changed at the super-user level.

      hope that helps.

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      Re: Deja vous

      Originally posted by TB
      At the Creamfields Dance Festival I went to recently I had some very dominating and vivid deja vous. It was like a double deja vous because I had even seen me commenting on my deja vous before. In other words, in reality I said to myself \"This is deja vous, and this happens next....
      I have spoken to people about Deja vous and many of them say the know whats going to happen next, for me its just like a bunch of feelings and sensations mixed in the right moment that generates a feeling like \"I've been here before\" or \"I've lived this\" but I can never guess whats going to happen next.

      I don't think they are always related to dreams, because i have great dream recall, in the second i feel something related to a dream memory I remember most of the dream. And this doesn't happend, I just get this weird feeling.

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      déjà vu is a sensible glitch in the Matrix that occurs when it is changed at the super-user level.

      hope that helps. *
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      deja vu for me is this almost mentally sickening feeling... I can't predict what's going to happen next, but often I'll get it for a long time because every event in a row gives it to me. Not only that but it happens all the time! It really drives me nuts!
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      I have had somesome minor dejavu beofre, nothing big, just a feeling of "this happened beofre". But once whiel i was driivng i got the biggest deja vu that ever happend to me. It was soooo freaky, i flet like time just jumped back and repatef itslef fomr the beging of the last minute. i t was trippy.
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      yea usually when it hits me i just get the feeling of "i swear i have done this before" then i stop and blank my mind then shake it off.
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      i know the connection your trying to make, iv had similar experences, dreams and then a daja vous. however i havent had a daja vous since iv started my dream recall, however that could be a coincidence.
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      Seems I prevented a deja-vu yesterday by recalling a dream. I dreamt the night before that I was at a wedding in the south common in my town... then the next day, I found out where my sister's wedding would be: the south common! It was still a weird experience but it wasn't deja vu because I remembered exactly where I'd heard it before.
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      I had a very interesting deja vu experience early today.

      I woke up this morning and looked at the clock, to make sure I hadn't missed my alarm and consequently missed my math exam. It was around 8am, so I still had a lot of time before I had to wake up, at 10:15. I went back to sleep and woke up again later, checked the clock, it was 9:11. I thought "well how nice, I still have an hour nap!" and went back to sleep again.

      Then it happened... I slept for what felt to be at least an hour, woke up, and checked the time on my cell phone once again, but to my surprise, astonishment, and puzzling, my cell phone said it was 9:11. Now, unless I discovered some way to go back in time while asleep[/sarcasm], I know this is not possible. I stared at the clock thinking how its possible to feel as if I had slept for an hour and yet, not even a minute have passed. It puzzled me. The act of looking at the time on my cell was very similar both times, and even worse, the time displayed was the same.

      I know I either read the time wrong the first time it said 9:11, or I had a false awakening and somehow my brain predicted what time I would be waking up again. Either way, I was just happy that I was able to take yet another hour-nap.

      Just thought I'd share my most puzzling deja vu experience yet.

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      I think relating to what someone said ealier about when we are dreaming the brain plays through various situation outcomes is possibly true. I mean sometimes if we see something in our dreams that doesnt happen in real life, we dont think anything of it, u know just a dream. But sometimes when it does happen in real life we think deja vou, i think its a matter of hit and miss by the brain.

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      Catch 22 described deju vu as simply a miniscule pause of the two brain halves as the memory is stored...I guess if one was stored before the other it would feel like we'd already experienced the event, but without knowing when or where.

      I've experienced that inexplicable time thing too, and I swear that sometimes time stops just to mess with me. Thanks for the thread, it helped me remember another dream about some damn cats that I had last night.


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      I had the weirdest thing happen this morning.

      I set my iPod for alarm and shuffle, then hooked it up to my speakers, so at 6:45am I was woken up by Pink Floyd

      As I sat listening to it, towards the end of a song (can't remember which one, High Hopes I think) I suddenly had the first bit of Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2) pop into my head, then as the first song ended, what comes on? Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2). When I heard it in my mind it was exactly like the real thing, like 100% the same. This isn't the first time it's happened, and if I try it doesn't happen. But when I set it to shuffle and listen to music sometimes I know what the next song is before it starts. Like I'll get it in my head before the end of the last track and then it comes on.

      I also dream about things which then happen, and often get the feeling when I'm talking to people what I know what will happen/be said next - and am usually right. Another thing I get is if I'm sitting somewhere, say the car, with someone else, and think about something just before they start talking about it. I'm no expert, and I'm not claiming to have a 6th sense or anything, but it is certainly intersting.
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      From what I've read, Deja Vou is caused by a split-second delay of information processing.This delay occurs when one eye recieves information and proccesses it to the brain a split second slower than the other eye, thus we recieve the information twice, and it seems as if it has happened before.

      And if what read about the brain not being able to distinguish how long ago events happen, then this would seem very plausible.

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      Sorry to be picky, but it's deja vu people! (or déjà vu is you want to be really picky) Not deja vous, or worse, daja vous.

      Anyway, I personally think deja vu is usually because you have seen whatever it is before, but simply not conciously taken much notice of it. The memory is stored subconsciously, and you don't realise you have this memory until you see the thing again.
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      Deja Vous and ESP

      I believe from my own experience, that Deja Vous is directly linked to ESP.
      That maybe you are having a vision of the future at the same exact time as you are living it in the present. Every time I have had Deja-Vous I have known exactly what people were going to say, or do.
      I also believe that if you have Deja Vous that is a sign that you are exactly where you should be in life.
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      Originally posted by Kastro187420
      From what I've read, Deja Vou is caused by a split-second delay of information processing.This delay occurs when one eye recieves information and proccesses it to the brain a split second slower than the other eye, thus we recieve the information twice, and it seems as if it has happened before.

      And if what read about the brain not being able to distinguish how long ago events happen, then this would seem very plausible.


      Wouldn't we have them all the time then?
      My deja vus are always connected to my dreams (at least I think so).
      Every time I have it I'm sure I dreamed it before.

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      Do you really believe that you know what is going to happen before it happens, or once it happens do you say "hey i knew that was going to happen"

      Next time you have deja vu, do something youve never done before, slap your leg really hard.

      Now of course you will think you have done it before, but since you can attest now that you have never done it, you know you obviously havent.

      If you believe this is you predictiding the future or seomthing like that then I don't know what to tell you, except that, what evidence do you have?
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