Playing Games Against DCs - Do They Ever Win?

Well - what it says on the tin!
Since I haven't got any experience with it myself - not even with fighting - I would love to hear about this.
Is it possible to loose games against DCs, if not consciously wanting to loose?

Why do I come up with this? Because of the TOTMs and Xanous' following dream:

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Originally Posted by Xanous

Me: Hey dad.
Dad: What?
Me: What?
Dad: What?
Me: What?
Dad: What?
Me: What?
How long is he going to keep this up? My father looks at my mother.
Dad: He keeps repeating me, hon.
Me: He keeps repeating me, hon.

I laugh as I repeat another phrase of his, I can't remember now because I am startled by his driving. He's a very bad driver in waking life and always scares the shit out of whomever is unfortunate enough to ride with. Anyway, we come to a 4-way stop but he does not appear to be slowing down. Out of reflex I shout, “DAD LOOK OUT!” I immediately realize my mistake as the quickly stops. I lost the game. “Oh man! You got me.” I chuckle at the whole thing. “Man you totally get me.”
My father just keeps asking what I am talking about.

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My reaction:

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Originally Posted by StephL

Xanous!
I love this story - fascinating!!
So your unconscious manifestation tricked your conscious one into loosing a game, in which it hadn't even taken part non-consciously.
But lucid you was playing it consciously - it was the main objective.
Difficult to explain, what I mean by this any better - but it somehow has the character of introspective research.
Did anybody play games against DCs lucidly - besides fighting?
Oh well - and fighting - do you fighters always win?
Anybody got DCs winning against them in lucid - anything - stone scissor paper, chess?
There would then be the difference of the DCs "knowing" that they are playing as opposed to Xanous' scenario.
And could it matter?

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And one answer I got:

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Originally Posted by Schmaven

I had a dream where I was fighting myself. Each one of me thought I was the real me. It startled the other DCs as we threw each other into various grocery store displays and aisles. I ended up in a freezer at one point, but over all we were well matched and it was a perfect tie. We just kept fighting and fighting with no clear victory. It definitely made me think when I woke up.

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Over to you playful dreamers!

Very interesting question! Now, I am probably not what you might be looking for as I don't necessarily have many games in my dreams, I have had my shares of fighting though.

Anyway, In one dream I remember playing some game, I remember that I seemed to winning but at some point I realized that the game was never going to finish so I became lucid and decided to go do something else. I find that in these kind of situations when I seem to be losing I always seem to find a way to outsmart the situation, even when not lucid I tend to implement dream control in order to make my way around the situation. for example, sometimes when I'm being chased or something I out of nowhere decide and believe that I am now bulletproof or something of the sort.

I have had many conflicts where I seem to be evenly matched with other DC's and end up actually asking the DC to call a truce.


This other dream I had last night, and what was interesting was that I was betrayed by some DC's who wanted a key I had. the scene changed after their betrayal and what was interesting was that when these DC's went to get my key, it was found to be inside a cage which couldn't be opened. I certainly didn't know about, even in the dream where we can have some false memories. It was interesting because as I said before, even when I'm not lucid I tend to influence the dream to go my way, however this time the dream itself outsmarted itself?

Not sure if what you are looking for, but still got me thinking about things =)

Wow!!
Fantastic - this is exactly what I am looking for Rodrodrod!
Was your dream last night a non-lucid?

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yes it was a non-lucid

I'm pretty sure it happens all the time, actually. When you consider how often non-expert lucid dreamers get overwhelmed, even in lucid dreams, by our dream environments and how dream characters are really just parts of the dream environment that behave like people, one can deduce that a lucid dreamer who doesn't currently have a lot of control over his/her lucid dream can easily get overwhelmed by a dream character, in a game or otherwise.

Also, the post you quoted about someone dealing with dream characters who all thought they were the real dreamers reminded me of a story I heard from a lucid dreaming YouTuber, GizEdwards. He mentioned a time when he was with a dream character, in a lucid dream, and he tried to see what would happen when he told the dream character that it was its dream. The result was the dream character seeming to gain control of the dream and Giz becoming powerless. Lucid dreaming is fascinating.

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Originally Posted by AstralVagabond

I'm pretty sure it happens all the time, actually. When you consider how often non-expert lucid dreamers get overwhelmed, even in lucid dreams, by our dream environments and how dream characters are really just parts of the dream environment that behave like people, one can deduce that a lucid dreamer who doesn't currently have a lot of control over his/her lucid dream can easily get overwhelmed by a dream character, in a game or otherwise.

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Well - but you are not sure, because you do not have enough experience, could that be true?
Me neither - and I want to find out.
Maybe try scissor paper stone. Or even chess or Go.

I think I have read about fighting almost, or even really only so, that the LDer always wins.
Except anotherdreamer once did not fight back against demons, and they ate him alive, and - somehow this was a good thing for him. Or so.
Maybe my memory plays a trick on me here, though.
That's why I opened the thread.
I have often before loftily thought about how one would maybe best go about doing personal, direct introspective research.
Having come to the conclusion, that you can not leave subjective introspection as source of evidence out, if you seek knowledge about the mind. I believe this at least.
So now - I remember, people have claimed incredible feats on here in the past - including splitting one's consciousness in not only two but many and then play chess simultaneously. I might give him a pm - or not.

And in such a case - supposedly the odds are even.
There was once a TOTM bonus task, where you were supposed to split your consciousness into several turkeys, of all entities, and gather in familiar thanksgivingdinner - on the menu - roasted human. Yummmy!!
Hurrah Ophelia!!

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Originally Posted by AstralVagabond

Also, the post you quoted about someone dealing with dream characters who all thought they were the real dreamers reminded me of a story I heard from a lucid dreaming YouTuber, GizEdwards. He mentioned a time when he was with a dream character, in a lucid dream, and he tried to see what would happen when he told the dream character that it was its dream. The result was the dream character seeming to gain control of the dream and Giz becoming powerless. Lucid dreaming is fascinating.

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Thanks - I might check him out!
I did tell DCs myself quite often, actually - and it depends, what happens.

One time it was clear, that a friend of mine was happy about me becoming lucid in a FA, by noticing, that I did not go to bed at her place.
Heck - she does not even live there any more. She believed me, but it was clear that she would stay "normal" - and I took off flying somewhere - saying goodbye.

And twice I took a good friend, two different ones and both female, to go fly with me places and look at - something. These were wonderful and at times sublime dreams.

One time somebody, I also know from real life seemingly wanted to confuse me, and bring me off lucidity altogether, and I flickered in and out - and left him stand in the end, staying lucid.

Some people I do not know from real life, and I told them - like people from in the lucid dream, the rather hollow kind - they tended to not believe me and/or loose interest.
Or so.

This is the range I got from this.
Pretty broad. A lot can happen in lucid dreams, in general. A platitude. Whatever.