Something besides MILD?

Hello,

I've been practicing LDing for approximately 3 months, and have had some measure of success. I believe I have found a method that works for me--a variation of LaBerge's MILD, although with minimal visualization (my conscious visualization skills, up until now, have been not so wonderful). I find that when I seriously practice, I can usually get lucid in a night (coupled with WBTB, a wild attempt, and maybe a supplement if things have been dry for a bit).

My concern is that I have to work really hard for this! I have not had a spontaneous LD (one experienced without practicing a technique) since I began LDing. Any concerns here? Also, are there any methods that are less stressful (not having to forcefully repeat positive affirmations to myself before REM sleep) that will provide equally high (or increased) yields? Right now I am sitting between 5-8 LDs per month. I've had three this month, but all in the same week. Also "failed" a WILD by not knowing I had actually WILDed. Dreamt about thrashing around in bed trying to get comfortable. Then sat up and talked to my wife about wormholes and time travel. :D

I havent try it yet, but the author said the result are great (and not stressful I think), its a method that use the power of daydreaming as a tool for increasing awareness (knowing you are daydreaming). direct link : https://snoozon.com/blog/2014/03/lucid-daydreaming-ldd/

Hello there :)

It's good to hear how successful you actually are with your MILD technique. Congrats!
Another technique I suggest you is that technique here -> http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...ml#post1628862
Thanks to it I had LDs several times and my awareness in dreams especially in LDs increased since then very much :chuckle:

If you have the chance to try it out inform me about your results. Would love to hear it!

hey.

Well done! Sounds like a reasonable amount of LDs within a short time! All my LDs so far have been more or less 'spontaneous' as you call it - in my eyes the key to that are self-awareness and memory as explained by Sageous in this wonderful thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/wild/12557...mentals-q.html You should definitely have a look! This thread will be worth a read :D

Also, ADA has been mentioned above - I practiced ADA a while ago as well with some success, but I would highly recommend adding some self-awareness because (for me) the problem with ADA is that (if practiced as I understand it) it just acknowledges your surroundings instead of questioning your place in it. I'm not trying to advise you against trying out ADA - I just suppose that mixing things up a bit and focusing on the basics instead of over-focusing on unnecessary details would be a better approach if you are looking for less work and more success...

... however I think that without working hard it will be rather unlikely to have many LDs. You just have to look for a method that suits your needs and doesn't stress you too much. The key is consistency - you don't have to overstress or try and force yourself to have LDs. If you keep at it for a long period of time then things will pay off eventually! :)

I hope I was able to help.

Hey, thanks for the kind words, guys! I have recently been incorporating some of Sageous's advice ("ADSA" and "RRC") into my training retinue and have been seeing success with this. I have also calmed down a bit with the MILD (still practicing every night, but more in line with Naiya's "Simple MILD" technique). Still being forceful with it though. I'm not minding this lately though . . . . :)

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... however I think that without working hard it will be rather unlikely to have many LDs. You just have to look for a method that suits your needs and doesn't stress you too much. The key is consistency - you don't have to overstress or try and force yourself to have LDs. If you keep at it for a long period of time then things will pay off eventually!

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benni, this is where I am starting to get at, I think. It's a learning process! I have had similar experiences with ADA--situations where I was hyper-aware of my surroundings, but still had no idea I was dreaming! There's a certain critical reflective attitude that needs to be in there.

F4hmi, I have heard of this before--DDA, I think? I have thought of using this as a method of incubation, but have not gotten into it yet. If anyone knows more about this, let me know! It seems like a cool technique.

linh, I will continue trying to be more observant of my surroundings (though with some critical reflection added in) and will definitely keep you updated on my progress! Thank you for the kind words! And thank you everyone for the responses. Much appreciated.

Hi ThreeCat.

If I was you, I'd keep using the MILD!

In my opinion it's by far the best method to get consistent LDs on a regular basis and if you can already get a MILD when you really work for it, that's a great start!

When I first started getting Lucid every night using MILD I to thought it was a lot of effort, sometimes spending a good hour or so after WBTB trying to fall back to sleep.
Even though I could guarantee a Lucid, sometimes I'd get one that was only 1or 2 minutes long and after all the effort I'd also question if it was worth it.

As I had many longer LDs as well though I carried on with it and soon got to the point where I could do it all with ease!
You start finding ways you can fall back to sleep much quicker and easier, you learn how few affirmations it actually takes to work, the WBTB becomes much easier, you can even stop RCs and don't have to keep a DJ! (though I do still RC for the DILDs and I still write down my Lucid's in a DJ just because I like to).

I started off having to WBTB by getting myself up out of bed and really making myself wide awake before trying to MILD, now I only have to wake, turn on my back and don't even have to get up.
Like I wrote before I also would sometimes be lying there for an hour or more trying to MILD, now I can give a few affirmations and drift off in 5 to 10 minutes max with a garrentied Lucid!

Don't worry about not being very good at visualisation, I never use any visualisation when using MILD anyway.

Lastly if you don't have any natural LDs I'd say that MILD is definitely the way to go, I naturally DILD a lot, at least a few times a week but even so I can't bank on them everyday.
When you get good at MILD though, you can honestly be certain of getting Lucid any night you try!

Mr. Blonde, I like the handle--you're a Tarantino fan?

I think I am going to stick with MILD! I used it last night and was successful this morning, so I think I am going to work on maximizing DEILDs and keeping up with my DJ and dream signs. It is good to know that it comes easier as you go. I am looking forward to catching some of these dreams that show up in the early part of the night. So far I have only become lucid in the early morning hours between 6 and 9 (though I did manage to catch on at 5:00 am once!). I really liked Naiya's point that you need to practice it every night (I've been reading a lot of tutorials on here).

Are you able to use MILD to become lucid right at the beginning of the night? I'm not sure the strength of my affirmation can punch through 80 minutes of NREM yet. I'm working on it, though. :)