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After becoming good at lucid dreaming, is anyone able to create a paradise kind of enviroment. Like "summoning" a perfect tropical beach in the breeze while chillin' in a hammoc drinking some beers.
Because this is my main motivation right now to learn how to lucid dream.
If anyone has done this, could you please tell me your experiences? :D
thanks
im not lucid yet but from what ive heard, if your good enough at it you can summon pretty much anything in a dream.try reading some peoples dream journals
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Originally posted by OldSouthPremium
After becoming good at lucid dreaming, is anyone able to create a paradise kind of enviroment. *Like \"summoning\" a perfect tropical beach in the breeze while chillin' in a hammoc drinking some beers. * *
Because this is my main motivation right now to learn how to lucid dream.
If anyone has done this, could you please tell me your experiences? :D *
thanks
Yes, I have done this a few times...except I prefer root beer (b/c I don't drink). It can be done once you are good enough at it!
Yes... it wasn't a beach or anything But it was something beautiful to me. you know just an experience i hope will happen. But yea...
Probably the most best dream i've had in my life. hah
Theoretically, yes. But only in so much as one is able to lift one's entire Spiritual Being to the Level of one's chosen Paradise. Any retention of a smudge of bad karma or some resonation with evil or some grossness would soon assert itself in the polution of one's paradise.Quote:
Originally posted by OldSouthPremium
After becoming good at lucid dreaming, is anyone able to create a paradise kind of enviroment. *Like \"summoning\" a perfect tropical beach in the breeze while chillin' in a hammoc drinking some beers. * *
Because this is my main motivation right now to learn how to lucid dream.
If anyone has done this, could you please tell me your experiences? :D *
thanks
This is why even well intentioned Souls are not permitted into God's Good Heaven, not without first a good and adequate stay in the purifiying fires and lights of Purgatory. Evil follows the Evil the Heart.
But this is the whole idea behind Studied Dreaming. To ever aim at our Perfect Paradice and then to continuously repair and correct all that rises up to obstruct it. The Light of Dreams is indeed a Purgatory before Death, and it is Dreams that are truly the Mirror to the State of the Soul. Indeed, we have some dreamers even now being allowed through the Gates of Heaven where those with the purity of children play. And then we have dreamers who are being raped by dogs.
It is like specific gravity in a body of fluids. We can only rise as high as our own level. But we can refine and etherealize along the way.
It might take a few weeks.
Short answer is yes, yes you can.
The long answer however is yes, but it might be hard. Some people have a hard time making a dreamscape, you just have to find your way of making paradise. My personal meethod is literally jumping into a picture of where I want to go. Once you get some more dream control, it should be fun to just experiment in a way to do it.
In some dreams, I've been quite successful in re-creating an entire world from something (ironically), that in the night before, I had destroyed. Weird that when I create something, I am usually aware I am dreaming. When I destroy something, I am not aware I am dreaming.
In both instances, I used an item (a medalion), to focus my powers through. It's a frequent item in my dreams... I actually thought of it in the real world, as something to add to a story I was creating, and it has become part of my dreams.
But, yes, I believe you can create paradise, as well as creating something of the opposite nature.
I can close my virtual-eyes, if you will, and begin to remember the details. The smells, the sounds, the feel
When I open my "eyes" the dreamscape matches. Once it is there, I have very little trouble retaining it with only minor morphing ("A tree is here that wasn't before, now it's gone again" kinda thing)
The brain can maintain a lot of variables, but it's kinda in-and-out on the specifics once you start loading that ram up. Kinda like a video game, IMHO.
I think the limits are primarily self-imposed.
For example, if one has buried themselves in fire and brimstone, then they will self-impose the limitation of their self-view of impurity and cause undesired morphing.
The thing as you become more adept to be aware of is that everything changes at the "speed of thought". Rather than trying really hard to maintain something, I've found it happens pretty much on its own when I relax into it and stop trying to apply too much reason. Hard for a pure-sciences-type like I consider myself. I can logic myself into a literal void pretty quick. ;) My challenge is to relax and accept rather than try to force and reason. If I relax and accept an island paradise then an island paradise is what I get.
Now the short, non-spiritual answer.Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
Theoretically, yes. But only in so much as one is able to lift one's entire Spiritual Being to the Level of one's chosen Paradise. Any retention of a smudge of bad karma or some resonation with evil or some grossness would soon assert itself in the polution of one's paradise.
This is why even well intentioned Souls are not permitted into God's Good Heaven, not without first a good and adequate stay in the purifiying fires and lights of Purgatory. Evil follows the Evil the Heart.
But this is the whole idea behind Studied Dreaming. To ever aim at our Perfect Paradice and then to continuously repair and correct all that rises up to obstruct it. The Light of Dreams is indeed a Purgatory before Death, and it is Dreams that are truly the Mirror to the State of the Soul. Indeed, we have some dreamers even now being allowed through the Gates of Heaven where those with the purity of children play. And then we have dreamers who are being raped by dogs.
It is like specific gravity in a body of fluids. We can only rise as high as our own level. But we can refine and etherealize along the way.
It might take a few weeks.
Yes, you can, its called Dreamscaping, i do it frequently in LDs, it isnt hard at all, provided you are fully lucid, dreamscaping is the first lucid act i did, creating a snow field at night, complete with beautiful sky and northen lights, and that is probably one of the most amazing things i have done in LDs.
Just do NOT close your eyes, and then sharply turn around (in your dream of course) with the intention of seeing an object in your dreamscape (want to go to your bedroom? turn around and focus on looking at a familiar object in your room) then slowly pan out and you'll be in your dreamscape. Thats how i do it anyway, took me a while to get to places i wasnt familiar with and the times i did, it was pure luck.
GL with it.
Does anyone have any experiences to tell me? Like has anyone acutally done this?
I've read lots of posts about people doing many things but I haven't read one where someone just chills somewhere in the perfect enviroment..... :eek:
Read my post two above yours.
I think it must be possible. I would have many naked women surrounding me.
TB
Damascus is right, turning around sharply with the intent of seeing something is very good. I'll just add that it's probably better to have the feeling that the thing is already behind you, and you're simply turning around to look at what's already there. I hope that doesn't sound complicated, because complicating it is what gets in the way.
I grew up watching Star Trek: The Next Generation with my family, and I have sometimes experimented with using my dreams as a kind of holodeck. So I would say, "computer," and wait for the beep, "create a tropical paradise." And then the sound effect of wiping everything away would come in and then it would come back in reverse, creating something new. If you were a fan of the show, this could potentially be a very simple and straightforward thing to do.
What if you would like to change your clothing? I suppose we don't often think of this in dreams, except when we find ourselves naked or in pajamas, but this can be a difficult thing to do. However, if you can do it, it's extremely rewarding, because it can change the way you see yourself in the dream, which would have incredible cascade effects.
So, TV to the rescue again! I also watched another show called "ReBoot." It was computer-animated, so characters could change their size, height, and everything else. They had a mechanism for this where they tapped one of their badges twice, said "reboot!" and a disc that appeared above swept immediately through them, changing their appearance. If you watched enough of that show, it could work for you as well.
The point is to use your imagination. These aren't advanced tehniques by any means. It's always simpler and cleaner to just think something and have it happen, and any technique complicates that. I mentioned it because it might help if you are new and having trouble, and hopefully make you see that there are other ideas in your life that you could use... things in art or literature.
But always keep in mind that It might actually be best just to stay away from complications like those, unless you like it when things are complicated... then I can't help you. ;)
I think you've hit the nail on the proverbial head there, Ex Nine...
The limitations of lucid dreaming seem largely to be limited to what you believe they are. The more I read here, the more that becomes apparent.
So if you can effectively use a mnemonic within the paradigm, like a TV show that has been drilled into you, then you are convincing your brain that what you are trying to do is within the realm of the explored.
It's a working hypothesis, anyway, and I'd gladly entertain theory in defense of, and contrary to, that hypothesis.
Yes, that's an excellent way of putting it.Quote:
Originally posted by kimpossible
So if you can effectively use a mnemonic within the paradigm, like a TV show that has been drilled into you, then you are convincing your brain that what you are trying to do is within the realm of the explored.
The more consistently the mnemonic is used in fiction, the better. For example, the Star Trek one isn't the best because the holodeck malfunctions so often. Neither are spells in Harry Potter, for there always seems to be more powerful spells that prevent them (although I noticed Accio, what you use to have an object fly towards you, hasn't failed in the story yet... or Lumos). But then the best thing about Harry Potter is that wizards can invent their own spells... and inventing spells in the dream world could be great fun, and theoretically serve as tested and dependable devices for future dream control.
Kim, I suppose that hypothesis is difficult to falsify. If someone tried to create a tropical lagoon in her dream and failed, and then tried to do it using a holodeck mnemonic and failed, one could claim that she was not sufficiently attached to that mnemonic - and so on, never contradicting the original claim.
I like how you put that... "realm of the explored," not necessarily implying that it was explored by the dreamer, but that it was explored by someone else, has been visited or done before, and is normal and expected. I wonder if I've had a habit of preferring to think that some things have never been explored in dreams before... that I would be "first." But that's just frivolously challenging my self-confidence. :/
Edit: I just thought of another one that'll help you fly, in honor of Don Adams, who died today...
"Go-Go-Gadget copter!" :)
You know what helped me tremendously in all aspects of my self confidence in the untried?
Learning to juggle.
It sounds so simple, but when the balls are in your hands, the brain just INSISTS that there isn't time for everything that's happening. So you reflexively start hucking balls willy-nilly as the mind-eye-hand coordination panics.
Once you overcome that block, it's simple as falling off a log. And, atleast for me, it was sooo freeing!
Anyway - I think you're right about the attachment to the mnemonic. But then that sounds sorta like a cop-out on the part of the person adopting the mnemonic. "If you weren't suitably invested in it, why'd you use it?!?!"
I think we all have some deep-seated notion of how some abstract paradigm or another "should be". Often from fiction and our fantasies as children.
Using those as a key to unlock the deepest portions of the mind has got to be answer. Those formed during the forming of our deep neural pathways, and are nearly as inherent as breathing after the age of 7 or so...
I feel going back to your most base (nearly) instinct is what is going to make something happen easily and importantly - freely within a lucidity event.
Sharing rather personally: Using a paradigm from Bewitched or I Dream of Genie is effective for me. That's where magic was "branded" for me. So performing "magic" in LD for me is best performed that way. Like the "blink" from "I dream of Genie"...
I created a place one, in the mountains (my favorite place to be) and it came out so incredibly clear and vivid. It was like I had corrective eyes surgery or something. Was so beautiful.
I couldn't even begin to draw it, but it looked similiar to this:
http://ecycletours.com/images/Images...n%20vistas.jpg
When I was little, I dreamt of a tree house alot that I would sometimes "try" to get to. When my son gets older, I'll vicariously build one that looks just like it for him.
Hey Old South,
I'll tell you right off that I have not done this... yet. But, of the many things I'd like to do in a lucid dream, creating a "paradise" kind of environment is one of them.Quote:
is anyone able to create a paradise kind of enviroment.[/b]
Mamy of the previous posts have some good ideas on how to attain it. Here is something I'm trying myself.
1) Find some way to "see" or visualize your paradise. You can do this by either:
----- a) drawing, painting , modeling it etc...
----- B) finding a picture that resembles it closely (as in above post)
----- c) making a collage by combining different pictures from magazines, books, etc
----- d) visualize it in your head (like daydreaming)
----- e) visualize while meditating (*most recommended)
2) Once you have this paradise engraved in your mind, you should be able to pull it into your dreams by visualizing it as you fall asleep (much like the MILD technique)
why this should work:
Since our dreams contain content from waking life, by having some sort of reference already existing in your mind you won't have to depend on creating it while you're dreaming, it will already be in your dream.
Another benefit to this is that if you should somehow end up in this landscape in a non-lucid dream, you might become lucid by knowing that this dreamscape was something you created yourself!
It can be done, Ol' South - good luck!
Yeah! Juggling should definitely be something they make you do in school. ;) My parents bought me a book on how to juggle and I was like, "how is a book gonna help me juggle?" and then I realized there's no better way so I might as well just get up and do it... and then (after a few tries) I did it! But, still, it would've been a lot harder had I not known that other people have done it, I think... or not seen other people do it.
I'm really glad you brought this up, because I might have never considered this on my own... I suppose I tend to block out fantasies from the time when I was really young, or how I used to think things "should be," because realizing my lack of power to make them reality would make me very angry during youth. And this is probably the source of most youth anger... so I bet we are all ignoring that implication in some way or another.Quote:
Originally posted by kimpossible
I think we all have some deep-seated notion of how some abstract paradigm or another \"should be\". *Often from fiction and our fantasies as children.
Using those as a key to unlock the deepest portions of the mind has got to be answer. *Those formed during the forming of our deep neural pathways, and are nearly as inherent as breathing after the age of 7 or so...
I feel going back to your most base (nearly) instinct is what is going to make something happen easily and importantly - freely within a lucidity event.
But just because some of those fantasies may be impossible or improbable to implement in reality does not preclude their existence (and power) in the dream environment. I actually find it difficult to remember some of my early childhood fantasies... and now I see how that could be related to some of my difficulties with dreaming.
Thanks again, Kim. I really need to make you an avatar or something. :)
Thanks, X9!
So did you get further in juggling than your basic pattern? Insides, outsides, tennis, alternatings, passive bounce, forced bounce.....
I like to say that I can teach anyone to juggle in 15mins, but they'll spend the rest of their lives mastering it. I still enjoy it to this day, and I have a wicked 5 ball bounce pattern I developed.
I really enjoying seeing there's a new post from you. Not because we often agree, but because you have a well-developed reasoning skill. I look forward to the times we'll disagree. ;)
I think a well-developed fantasy life is really important. As long as one remembers where the fantasy ends and the reality begins, with some gray area for creativity. That's what I find so intruiging about LD. Being able to explore the whackiest fantasies and then later employ that in the creative gray area.
Thanks to everyone for posting. :D