Thread: Sleep Paralysis/ OOBE

You might be focusing too much on your intent to project, and it's influenced yourself to unknowingly become lucid? What your trying to say is your able to depart from your body, But not onto the astral plain, And you end up inducing a lucid dream rather than projecting?

I haven't read up very much about astral projection, but I don't think your house is necessarily going to look identical to how it does in waking life. I think there's still some room for visual interpretation, since after all you're not talking about remote viewing (and I'm not even sure if everything looks identical to waking reality in RV either).

Originally Posted by DreamingDingo

You might be focusing too much on your intent to project, and it's influenced yourself to unknowingly become lucid? What your trying to say is your able to depart from your body, But not onto the astral plain, And you end up inducing a lucid dream rather than projecting?

What I meant was that I seem to project "fine" at least i exit fine and can usually see myself laying there, but stuff looks different, like i am wearing different clothes or parts of my room are missing, but when i project, i always end up in a lucid dream shortly after

THIS IS THE PROCESS:

1) Enter Sleep paralysis
2) Relax in sleep paralysis
3) stand up out of my body whenever everything is ready
4) Things will not look the same in my room most of the time and it doesn't feel like its out of body, feels more dream like, even though everything adds up for it to be an "OOBE"

You know what I'm saying??

Originally Posted by Jmcsubway07

What I meant was that I seem to project "fine" at least i exit fine and can usually see myself laying there, but stuff looks different, like i am wearing different clothes or parts of my room are missing, but when i project, i always end up in a lucid dream shortly after

Congratulations on your succcessful WILD! Look at it as an achievement, not a disappointment. Even if it's not what you were expecting, why not run with it and enjoy developing your LD skills?

In other words, don't make the same mistake I did. I tried to learn astral projection when I was a teenager, and I was so disappointed when I recognized that these so-called OOBE experiences were "just dreams" that I missed out on lucid dreaming for about thirty years.

Thank you alot haha. I appreciate it! I actually find lucid dreaming very fun and almost like the matrix haha! I just want to know the difference between my sleep paralysis/how i exit myself, and myself "dreaming" that i am projecting.

Everytime I have sleep paralysis, i get an extremely loud ringing in my head, and when that gets to it's lowest volume, i know it's time for me to exit. While I am exiting, it feels like i am moving/walking through thick mud. Eventually I am completely out though but things look different at times.

What is really boggling me is that this morning around 6 am, i woke up and induced sleep paralysis shortly after awakening. Once i rolled out/ stood up, i could not tell if i was actually standing up in real life or if i was dreaming. It was SO vivid. I remember my drapes in my room werent the usual color. So before i try to fly away, I had to determine if this was reality or not. I discovered that it was not reality when i saw our christmas tree set up in the living room. What would you call this and what is the difference between this experience and true astral projecting? Thanks

I've had at least 2 OOBE's before though, the one was pure luck, i barely even knew what to do when sleep paralysis kicked in. It was about a year and a half ago. I woke up in the middle of the night with sleep paralysis, but i didnt relax at all when it came over me. Instead i tried consistently willing my motionless body to get up, until i practically teleported to a spot right beside my tv in my room. It was very dark but i could see easily. I slowly turned around and saw myself on my bed, and was "swept away" into my living room where i could see my dad sleeping on the couch.

The other time, i woke up in sleep paralysis with my alarm clock going off. After not relaxing at all through the paralysis, i forced/rocked myself out of my bed, felt like i was moving through hardening concrete, and tried to turn of my alarm. When i was standing facing my alarm, i was JOLTED and SNAPPED backward to my bed where i instantly woke up, it felt like a stretched bungee chord being pulled far out then let go.

Lucid dreaming and astral projection could be argued to be the same thing. A good way to explain it is that when you are in an AP/OBE you're seeing an exact copy of the physical realm. I'd say what you experienced was a full fledged OBE

Originally Posted by Kache

Lucid dreaming and astral projection could be argued to be the same thing. A good way to explain it is that when you are in an AP/OBE you're seeing an exact copy of the physical realm. I'd say what you experienced was a full fledged OBE

There's an important distinction to be made, though. Is that "exact copy of the physical realm" based on residual sense impressions in your own mind and memory? This is what we experience when we lucid dream. The trouble with the term OBE/OOBE is that it that it implies that we are actually "out" of our own body (and by extension our own head) and perceiving the "real" world. I haven't yet encountered any evidence for this, and plenty of evidence to the contrary -- namely, the dream-like distortions of familiar environments.

Originally Posted by Verre

There's an important distinction to be made, though. Is that "exact copy of the physical realm" based on residual sense impressions in your own mind and memory? This is what we experience when we lucid dream. The trouble with the term OBE/OOBE is that it that it implies that we are actually "out" of our own body (and by extension our own head) and perceiving the "real" world. I haven't yet encountered any evidence for this, and plenty of evidence to the contrary -- namely, the dream-like distortions of familiar environments.

It's a copy of the physical realm based on your memory. Astral Projection and OBE are just lucid dreams experienced in different ways. After you're in the copy of the real world, you can travel to any other dream-scene/astral plane. I use terms like dream-scene and astral planes interchangeably since they're basically the same thing. Arguably, we're always in our own body, because the way we see the world is subjective and we only experience what the mind perceives. And if we perceive that we left the body, we might as well have. Lucid dreaming/OBEs/AP is the closest thing to leaving your physical body as you are detached from it.