No desires in a lucid dream, streaming -> nightmares?

**Caduceus** · 08-26-2014 03:22 AM

Hello,
first I'd like to say I have only done this a few times and I'm not a good lucid dreamer. Here's my theory:

I've experienced a high correlation between streaming and nightmares
What I mean by streaming: Hypnagogic imagery (hypnagogy is the tired state between being awake and asleep)
It is easily induced, kind of like meditation in that you sit, wait, and observe, but instead of simply accepting all thoughts, with eyes closed you try to receive more of the random images that flick in your imagination. They tend to be very fast and very random. You have to imagine something sometimes, so the stream keeps going, but ultimately it must not be you who is doing it. Eventually it should grow into a feeling where you flow with whatever the mind throws at you.

The few times I did this, either intensely for about an hour or before going to sleep, I got a nightmare the next night. The events in the dream were not good to my wellbeing, I often felt the presence of something else, my body was being stretched, pushed and thrown around without my control, all with an increasing feeling of fear. But it was all because I tried not to resist anything that happens.

My take on explaining it - when you dream and you become lucid, the dream will be built around your attitude, what you want from it, it can be about flying or whatever. But if you happen to recall your attitude from streaming, where you do not resist anything that happens and actually support all suggestions, it kind of breaks.

To test it, take all the control you have over your dream and... lose it? Surrender it to first thing that comes to your mind. Resist nothing. Next thought comes, materialize it. Flow.
I don't know, it's like bringing tantra/meditation into a lucid dream. I say weird things will happen if these two cross.

**Kaizen** · 08-26-2014 10:26 AM

I get what you're saying Caduceus, and i resonate with the idea of flowing within your dream.
The only problem is staying lucid when surrendering to the moment.
I find that when I flow and let the events occur in a dream moment to moment, without taking some sort of control (ie stabilization,vivification etc),
i lose some or all of my lucid awareness.

Perhaps when my oneironautical abilities become steadfast and and solid then I'll surrender more often.
I do feel there is a sense of relief when you are not fighting against the dream though.

**Caduceus** · 08-26-2014 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Kaizen

The only problem is staying lucid when surrendering to the moment.

I admit that aside from the decision to observe(which may just be like a regular dream where you do something you did during the day, hence the correlation), I can't tell if the dream was even lucid. I simply enjoyed the imagery, the same way I do when streaming. But other than that it was like a regular (bad) dream.

**Hukif** · 08-30-2014 04:08 AM

I and another person I know do this as a dream power that I like to call "Scan", where the dream body blends with the rest of the dream and then there is no more will so to speak unless one wants to forcefully change something, but that doesn't makes the dream end nor does it become a nightmare at all?

Don't know if thats useful.