Thread: Dream Drugs

Um. What are you asking, in particular, for the the first point? For the second, haven't tried it but might the next time I find myself lucid at a party!

Well I have just heard these are (some of) the effects of marijuana and I was wondering two things:
1. Is this true?
2. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

In my experience, smoking weed in a dream is wayyy crazier than smoking it in waking life. The last time I tried it I started hallucinating and experiencing sounds as colours. And I've had some nice nice in my life, but never THAT good.

Oddly enough though, dream shrooms are very much like regular shrooms. Bonus points for the dreamworld!

Effects will vary from person to person, and dream to dream though. That is always a given.

I haven't compared WILD sensations with being high, but that's a good question.

For the second question... yes, I have experienced the effects of cannabis in a lucid dream and they can feel incredibly accurate. It can feel just like in real life, to the point that it actually alters your perception and you start to think differently and stuff, it's crazy!

But like "acatalephobic" said it can feel even crazier. I haven't tried any other drugs in real life but I have heard people, like Krystle Cole from Neurosoup, say that you can trip just like you would with high doses of lsd, shrooms and stuff while lucid. I don't know if there's a limit of how high you can get.

I took something that looked like LSD years ago in a non lucid dream, I was trippin balls.

This is quite an interesting idea! If I can get my mind around to remember it, I will try assorted drugs in future lucids. The twist here is that I have no experience with anything harder than peppermint or chamomile from waking reality. (And, no I haven't smoked these either ... only ever taken them as herbal tea. ).

I wonder what the effect would be like ...

What about taking a drug in your dream like a pill that will increase awareness and lucidity, I wonder if that would have an effect :p

Sigh.

So generally you guys want to purposely impair your imagination in a dream so that it feels like a drug-high. This seems like a step backward to me.

I think you'll find that, if you use your imagination, the dream experience is far more trippy than anything a few chemicals can offer (which is shown, I think, by the fact that your dreaming mind can easily simulate the effects of any drugs you've taken).

And Avian: those effects you feel during a WILD are actually the effects you are paying attention to before the WILD transition ever happens, and by doing so you might reduce your chances of consciously encountering the dream itself. I suggest, as I always do, that you make these effects a little less important, so you can get to the dream and reallyhave some fun.

Well, psychedelics mushrooms give you the feeling of lucid dreaming sometimes (especially if outdoors) but it is important to remember you are not dreaming if you experience that lol.

I tried drugs in dreams, psychedelics, and it gets weird.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Sigh.

So generally you guys want to purposely impair your imagination in a dream so that it feels like a drug-high. This seems like a step backward to me.

I think you'll find that, if you use your imagination, the dream experience is far more trippy than anything a few chemicals can offer (which is shown, I think, by the fact that your dreaming mind can easily simulate the effects of any drugs you've taken).

And Avian: those effects you feel during a WILD are actually the effects you are paying attention to before the WILD transition ever happens, and by doing so you might reduce your chances of consciously encountering the dream itself. I suggest, as I always do, that you make these effects a little less important, so you can get to the dream and reallyhave some fun.

I thought that I was supposed to focus on those so that they would materialize into a dream. For example, could I not turn the feeling of falling or acceleration into pretending I'm falling from the sky, thus inducing a dream?

^^ Sure, you could work with HI to help form a dream, but -- in the context of the OP -- you ought to ask yourself whether that is what you were really doing. If you feel confident that your focus was on the upcoming dream, and not on the sensations you were feeling, then all is good. But if you were focused on the HI for the HI's sake, well, that might be somethng to avoid, I think.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Sigh.

So generally you guys want to purposely impair your imagination in a dream so that it feels like a drug-high. This seems like a step backward to me.

Oh, really? I have plenty of lucids where I simply go with the flow, and marvel at the sheer enormity of it all. That's about as un-imaginative as a human being can be. Marvelling at the fantastic delusions of a LD trip would not be any less imaginative.

It would be quite reminiscent of watching mindless television. Feel free to sigh about that also.

^^ Huh?

How on earth did you take my voicing an opinion about lucidly impairing your imagination by setting aside that imagination to insert a pre-programmed scenario of what you think a drug trip should feel like -- just like watching TV, BTW -- and equate it with lucidly witnessing the imaginative power of your dreaming mind? "Marveling" at a construct of what you consciously think a drug trip is like is far, far different from marveling at your dreaming mind's seemingly limitless capacity to surprise, entertain, and overwhelm you. I believe you know the difference, semantically, philosophically, and spiritually, so such an equation is pretty amazing.

So, either you fully missed my point, or else you are assuming that I am ignoring or am unaware of the single most fascinating, powerful, aspect of dreaming, lucid or not: imagination. I hope it was the former. If it was the latter, and you have read pretty much any of my posts on these forums, then that definitely is something to sigh about.

I have virtually no clue, what you are talking about in that post, Sageous. My point was this:

When you stated: "So generally you guys want to purposely impair your imagination ...", I took that to imply that experiencing a LD drug trip would be to forgo using the conscious imagination (as when watching mindless tv). However, this I do frequently in lucid dreams, in order to just look at all the wonderous sights.

Were you referring to another kind of imagination than the conscious one? In that case I don't understand why you have a problem with experiencing a LD drug trip, rather than experiencing anything else in a LD, since all these experiences depend on the same unconscious imagination, and no impairment thus would occur in any case.

Yes, I was talking about the imagination you are generating naturally in your dreams, and forcing your dreaming mind, through lucidity, to imititate something as mindless and programmed as a drug trip seems to ignore the potential of that unconscious imagination; potential you can certainly tap creatively while lucid. In a sense, when duplicating drug trips (or, rather, your assumption of what a drug trip may be) you're not just watching TV, but watching repeats of Survivor.

But you know what? Never mind.

So Sageous basically you are saying that it you think there is no point to having a drug trip in a dream because if you allow the dream to go free you can experience something better than any drug? I partially agree, but there there is no harm in trying it. Also, what if you take an imaginary drug in a dream? Imagine if you took a pill that "makes your imagination go crazy", wouldn't that just be like a super-enhanced version of what you are talking about?. The thing is, a "drug" in a dream doesn't necessarily have to conform to the effects of real drugs.

I feel like you could actually use pills or "drugs" as a way to direct your imagination in the way you want while still letting it run free. Say you want your dream to form into some kind of autumn landscape. Take a pill that you have decided will send you into an "autumny" trip. I am not sure if stuff like this would actually work, but why not try it? If any of you do please tell me the results.


PS: Another of my ideas is dropping an "imagination" bomb. Like a warhead, but instead of a blast of fire, it is a blast of imagination instability*10000.

^^ Certainly.

If you use a symbolic "pill" or drug to trigger a burst of dream schemata, and that burst is based more on a "surprise me!" theme/expectation than just a "this is what happens when I do [this particular] drug" plan, that would be awesome, and I think also a completely different subject than what I had assumed you guys were discussing.

In other words: Yes, any trigger you can devise to loose your imagination in surprising ways would be an excellent tool for LD'ing and NLD incubation as well. So, obviously I guess, any trick, technique, or intention you can use that will create an "imagination bomb" would be an excellent idea, and likely a real rush if you pull it off; I'd be all for that!

But that is not what I thought you guys were talking about. I had thought you were talking about basically using your LD to simulate something very specific like, say, a marijuana high. I still think that, specifically, it is a little silly to basically set up a LD situation that impairs your lucidity (e.g., the result of most drug highs). If I got that wrong, then all apologies for interrupting.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Yes, I was talking about the imagination you are generating naturally in your dreams, and forcing your dreaming mind, through lucidity, to imititate something as mindless and programmed as a drug trip seems to ignore the potential of that unconscious imagination; potential you can certainly tap creatively while lucid. In a sense, when duplicating drug trips (or, rather, your assumption of what a drug trip may be) you're not just watching TV, but watching repeats of Survivor.

But you know what? Never mind.

But I do mind, so I have to make my point clear. What you seem to be saying is that there are some lucid experiences that are better than others. And lucid "trips" belong to the inferior category.

But why is that the case? Why on earth should a lucid dream about a slow flight across a wooded landscape be any "better" than a lucid dream about a hallucinogenic (or otherwise) trip? It's the same (unconscious) imagination that must produce both of them!

For my own case, having never been closer to drugs than approximately 3 feet away from a cannabis joint in someone elses mouth, the idea of what my unconscious imagination can come up with as a version of a "trip" is very interesting. That will be an exploration into completely unknown territory.

For me, there will be nothing like a "repeat of Survivor" about it, since I never watched it before. And even for those, for whom "tripping" is a habitual thing in physical reality, tripping in dreams has considerable benefits - being physically harmless, as opposed to the physically real thing. Moreover, even if it is merely a "repeat of Survivor", so is flying over a wooded landscape for the umpteenth time. But that doesn't stop us from undertaking such flights, does it?

Originally Posted by Sageous

But that is not what I thought you guys were talking about. I had thought you were talking about basically using your LD to simulate something very specific like, say, a marijuana high. I still think that, specifically, it is a little silly to basically set up a LD situation that impairs your lucidity (e.g., the result of most drug highs). If I got that wrong, then all apologies for interrupting.

I can only speak for myself, but I had nothing specific in mind, since I woulden't know what to simulate.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying. It's always nice when disagreements can be traced back to their origins.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Certainly.

If you use a symbolic "pill" or drug to trigger a burst of dream schemata, and that burst is based more on a "surprise me!" theme/expectation than just a "this is what happens when I do [this particular] drug" plan, that would be awesome, and I think also a completely different subject than what I had assumed you guys were discussing.

In other words: Yes, any trigger you can devise to loose your imagination in surprising ways would be an excellent tool for LD'ing and NLD incubation as well. So, obviously I guess, any trick, technique, or intention you can use that will create an "imagination bomb" would be an excellent idea, and likely a real rush if you pull it off; I'd be all for that!

But that is not what I thought you guys were talking about. I had thought you were talking about basically using your LD to simulate something very specific like, say, a marijuana high. I still think that, specifically, it is a little silly to basically set up a LD situation that impairs your lucidity (e.g., the result of most drug highs). If I got that wrong, then all apologies for interrupting.

Ya but think about this Sageous: What if you are having an adventure and want to be more immersed in it? A mood-altering drug could make you more into the adventure. Of course, you wouldn't need the other effects then, but you could just not include them.

^^ Sure. If your drug is lucidly invented, you can set it to do whatever you desire. It's really not a bad idea, when considered this way.

I've smoked something like weed in a non lucid dream before and it wasn't different than when I smoked it in waking life. It seemed to be more of a head high though and no hallucinations.

Using the phrase "mindless and programmed" to describe a drug trip (dreaming or otherwise) is wildly innaccurate.

But overlooking that, point taken.

I have taken the same drug(s) numerous times, and no two experiences are the same
Therefore, I have no reason to believe the dream experience counterpart would be any different.

Originally Posted by LucidEveryNight

What about taking a drug in your dream like a pill that will increase awareness and lucidity, I wonder if that would have an effect :p

I had something like this in one lucid dream. I had this pill that strangely appeared in my pocket that would boost my lucidity and clarity. At the time though I thought "My dream is pretty clear and vivid so I won't take it." I wish I had though. I regret that, but there's always next time.