If you dont understand point of meditation try this.

I have noticed that many people dont really know how to meditate. They might sit still eyes closed but i got idea they really dont know what it is. So here try this and i promise you that you will see the reason why you even might get addicted to it trying it once. In this meditation you keep your eyes open and it takes only 5-15 minutes.
Do it excatly as i say it.

Sit in a comfortable meditative position. Pick and object any object. I suggest something that has text on it. Now look at the object at least 5 min only focusing on that object nothing else. If you start to pay attention to anything esle look harder into that object. You will see visual changes but it doesnt matter just look at the object with as much focus as you can put at it. After 5 minutes your mind should be completely silent if not focus on the object few minutes more. After the 5 minutes has passed be calm and reconize the meditative mindset you are in. Listen to sounds they should sound different. Look around. Last thing you do look into your thoughts and you should experience this clarity in mind which is the only reason i meditate. This is no spiritual thing or religious thing. Its to make sure you are meditating right way. Meditation is useless if you dont be in that meditative mindset. Also you cant force yourself to meditate longer otherwise its useless only do as long as you can keep the meditative mindset. I wish that anybody who doesnt know clearly point of meditation to try this.
The best part is that the clarity gets stronger over time when you meditate.

Tell if if you didnt notice anything impressive about it. It means then your doing it wrong. I dont think anybody could not notice the effects of it if they were doing it right. Meditation is much more than just sitting.

I think that simple routine, as written, ought to be moved to the "Attaining Lucidity" and/or the DVA Academy forums, and perhaps be included in the beginning of all WILD tutorials.

Thank you for posting, Seltiez, and I hope this thread gets some attention -- and that people try it out.

This is called "Zhine", a common practice for dream yogi.

The object/image you choose to observe should be at eye level and a few feet away from you. Feel like your focusing your mind through your eyes into the object, putting force behind it. Do not blink, or at least minimize it. "The purpose is to develop stability during perception of external objects, and eventually, objects in dream."-Tenzin Rinpoche

Eventually you will pass into "natural zhine", where your awareness rests on the object without needing to be held there, the mind is calm, thoughts don't disrupt your contemplation of the object. Now focus your mind on expansive empty space, like the night sky, the middle of your room, etc. Instead of keeping focused on one point in space, let your mind, while remaining in strong presence, to be diffuse.

According to Tenzin Rinpoche, the three obstacles are agitation, drowsiness, and laxity. You have to really focus and be alert, clear, engaged. Tis' very important.

Best to do this twice a day at least, it's like building muscles, consistent repetition is required.

I've always wondered how to actually meditate - tutorials never helped me. I'll be sure to give this method a try. Thanks for sharing!

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I think that simple routine, as written, ought to be moved to the "Attaining Lucidity" and/or the DVA Academy forums, and perhaps be included in the beginning of all WILD tutorials.

Thank you for posting, Seltiez, and I hope this thread gets some attention -- and that people try it out.

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This isn't exactly aimed at attaining lucidity.

Or it is. But it's not. But it is...

This is confusing.

^^ But it is!

... aimed at lucidity, that is.

Maybe it was not inititially intended to do so, and it certainly stands alone, but I think your exercise/lesson would be very helpful to LD'ers, especially novices looking for a way to work on focus, or on clearing their mind before, say, setting intentions for a MILD or lying down for a WILD.

Not only that, but if they understand what meditation is, and in such clear terms, when it comes time to incorporate meditation into their work, then dreamers will better know what they are doing, or at least what they are expected to do; and, since WILD is essentially a form of meditation if you look at it just right, that bit of understanding would be most helpful.

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This isn't exactly aimed at attaining lucidity.

Or it is. But it's not. But it is...

This is confusing.

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Well you can try it and see. Habit of meditation could help you in wild and keep your mind focused and on doing the basic reality checks and self awareness. Im also not sure if it is for attaining lucidity but you kind of need silent focus when trying to wild and whats better way than meditation which increases focus instantly.