Robert Waggoner's new book?!

As some of you "may" know, Robbert Waggoner actually released a new book in the beginning of this month. It's called Lucid Dreaming, Plain and Simple: Tips and Techniques for Insight, Creativity, and Personal Growth. So my question is: has anyone read this yet? Ad if you have, is it any good? Am I missing out if I don't read it? The reason I ask this is that I already have EWOLD by Stephen Laberg and Are you Dreaming? by Daniel Love, so it might be worthwhile to add this to my library of book? And also, for those read this, I know Waggoner is a very respected figure in lucid dreaming. So how is the layout of the book? Here's the link to his book: [Removed Amazon link - try Google ;)]
Thanks! :wink:

Meh, honestly, I read a few LD books, and looked through some, and it seems to me that they're all just preaching to the choir, repeating each other in a loop. I've yet to read something new and innovative (on a book or internet for that matter) that produces solid, consistent results. Just the same old tips and tricks repeated in different words from different people. So I don't have much faith in LD books anymore.. there comes a time when theory is over (at least the well known, solid techniques) and all there's left is practice. Just my two cents.. I do hope I'm wrong though, and there are new effective things presented, I've yet to stumble upon any so far.

Hmmm, maybe so. I actually found these forum to be more useful than a majority of the books. But I do think that a few books absolute gems. But I did say only a FEW like EWOLD and Are You Dreaming? I'm just going to ahead and order and see for myself. Who knows, this book might be really good. It is made by Robbert Waggoner (whom I know is very well known on these forums). There are only 2 reviews on this book, but they are positive and explain that the book includes quite a lot of new information. So we can still hope for the best. Anyways, since I am likely to order this book later on today, expect a review be me in a about a month or two.

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Originally Posted by DreamBeard

Hmmm, maybe so. I actually found these forum to be more useful than a majority of the books. But I do think that a few books absolute gems. But I did say only a FEW like EWOLD and Are You Dreaming? I'm just going to ahead and order and see for myself. Who knows, this book might be really good. It is made by Robbert Waggoner (whom I know is very well known on these forums). There are only 2 reviews on this book, but they are positive and explain that the book includes quite a lot of new information. So we can still hope for the best. Anyways, since I am likely to order this book later on today, expect a review be me in a about a month or two.

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Lol, same, internet forums have been more useful than books to me, then again a lot of the info here is from old books like ETWOLD, so not discrediting the old ones. Let us know if that book's worth reading then, since fortunately you seem to have the time to read it.

I agree with mimi, except that the dream yoga books seem a bit more substantial to me (for instance, illusory body practices). Many people do not like the spiritual aspects of these books, though, so be warned. I consider The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep to be one of the best books I've read on dream practice. It's also the book I return to most frequently.

To the OP: Fear not: I do not think Waggoner will have anything desperately new to say on the subject, and you can't go wrong with EWOLD. Are You Dreaming? is a fine compliment to LaBerge. Good luck!

I looked at the preview of the book. It seems to have a nice amount of content. And there is a chapter called "meditation". So I'm guessing he's going to talk briefly on that subject and maybe help readers start it. So it looks good so far. The book, according to Amazon, will arrive in about 2-4 days. I also do have to mention, as stated before, my review might be a bit delayed since I also have college to deal with (how does calculus based physics sound to you? :wtf2:)

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I agree with mimi, except that the dream yoga books seem a bit more substantial to me (for instance, illusory body practices). Many people do not like the spiritual aspects of these books, though, so be warned. I consider The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep to be one of the best books I've read on dream practice. It's also the book I return to most frequently.

To the OP: Fear not: I do not think Waggoner will have anything desperately new to say on the subject, and you can't go wrong with EWOLD. Are You Dreaming? is a fine compliment to LaBerge. Good luck!

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I was talking about the conventional books on lucid dreaming, Mr Cat, not the dream yoga ones. I've yet to check some of those out but I'm quite interested in them, the practices explained therein seem worthwhile, to say the least.

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Originally Posted by DreamBeard

(how does calculus based physics sound to you? :wtf2:)

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It sounds useful if you're trying to become a scientist.. otherwise..

Hey, just a little update:
I did receive the book right now. So I can't wait to dig in! Once I'm finished, I'll briefly touch on what induction techniques were mentioned and a quick little review. To be honest, my expectations aren't that high...... but it could end up surprising me. I took a quick skim. Seems nice so far. Expect a review in say.... 3 weeks or a month.
@mimihigurashi , I am going for computer science. And unfortunately, Calculus-based physics was part of the course work :uhm:

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Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Meh, honestly, I read a few LD books, and looked through some, and it seems to me that they're all just preaching to the choir, repeating each other in a loop. I've yet to read something new and innovative (on a book or internet for that matter) that produces solid, consistent results. Just the same old tips and tricks repeated in different words from different people. So I don't have much faith in LD books anymore.. there comes a time when theory is over (at least the well known, solid techniques) and all there's left is practice. Just my two cents.. I do hope I'm wrong though, and there are new effective things presented, I've yet to stumble upon any so far.

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I don't understand what you mean here.
As far as I know, Stephen Laberge's first books were some of the very first scientific books about lucid dreaming that were available to the public, and in Exploring The World of Lucid Dreaming he covers a whole lot of topics, even dream yoga and various kinds of "spiritual" concepts.
If that book is not excellent then I have no idea what you are looking for in LD books.
LaBerge even invented the Spinning Technique and the NovaDreamer goggles, I think those were quite heavy and unique contributions.

Also, there is no such thing as something that causes "solid and consistent results", it is the dreamer's task to find the right methods that work the best for him/her.
The closest you can get to "solid and consistent results" is probably through dream recall, prospective memory and an intention to recognise the dream the next time you are dreaming, because in my opinion that is one of the simplest and most natural ways to lucid dream - that's probably how most people would start practicing if they got absolutely no instructions how to become lucid.

Hey guys, I finally finished the book. it wasn't that long, but I just didn't have too much time to finish it. I do have a short review for it:

First, of all, the book does a very good job at introducing the readers to the more complex natures of lucid dreaming. However, this is as far as it goes. Even in the beginning of the book, the author warns you that the work that is written isn't written in huge detail..... but rather just touched upon. And this is where I think the book suffers a bit. For those who are more advanced in lucid dreaming, this book is probably not for you. It is definitely geared more towards beginners. And that should be expected as per the title. The book has an introduction to meditation which I thought was pretty cool. The author a little more in-depth with this than the other lucid techniques. But this is also another problem. Whilst there are plenty of lucid induction techniques, they have very little description as to why some may work and why some are in-effective. But anyways, there are plenty of techniques mentioned in the book to keep you experimenting around and seeing which fits you the best. The book does do a good job at explaining ways to control dream. But there is pretty controversial thing he says (and I'm not sure how you guys may feel about what he says, but it's definitely something that will spark debate). He says that you cannot "fully" control things in your lucid dream. You can influence the dream and move freely. I pretty much disagreed there.
So in conclusion, this book is definitely a nice book for beginners that touches upon everything about lucidity. And the "touching upon" is also where the book suffers for more the more advanced readers. Here are some bullet points of pros and cons:
PROS-
+Great introduction for beginners
+Touches on nearly every aspect of lucidity
+A handful of techniques
+Meditation!!!

CONS-
-too broad and simple. Never focuses on one thing before shifting to something else fast
-May feel somewhat over-whelming
-Never really in-depth

Score: 7.5/10

I still find Daniel Love's: "Are You Dreaming?" to be the best book. So I would recommend that over this. But overall, this is still a solid book to just jog your memory or have a nice reminder.

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Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Meh, honestly, I read a few LD books, and looked through some, and it seems to me that they're all just preaching to the choir, repeating each other in a loop. I've yet to read something new and innovative (on a book or internet for that matter) that produces solid, consistent results. Just the same old tips and tricks repeated in different words from different people. So I don't have much faith in LD books anymore.. there comes a time when theory is over (at least the well known, solid techniques) and all there's left is practice. Just my two cents.. I do hope I'm wrong though, and there are new effective things presented, I've yet to stumble upon any so far.

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This may be the most accurate thing I have read on the internet.

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Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

This may be the most accurate thing I have read on the internet.

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Haha, thank you.

I keep looking and hoping for a new, good book on lucid dreaming (or an old one I somehow missed) but it seems they are all mostly for beginners and mostly the same old stuff. And it sounds like this one is another like that. So that's disappointing. I remember enjoying a previous book of his years ago. I'm somewhat interested in the bit on meditation, but I have a feeling I can probably find plenty of info on that online, or in books on meditation.
Anyway, thanks for the review, DreamBeard.

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Originally Posted by ThreeCat

I agree with mimi, except that the dream yoga books seem a bit more substantial to me (for instance, illusory body practices). Many people do not like the spiritual aspects of these books, though, so be warned. I consider The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep to be one of the best books I've read on dream practice. It's also the book I return to most frequently.

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Now I feel like re-reading the Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep and looking up more on this "illusory Body practice."