Thread: Doors, doors, doors, they keep trolling me.

Doors are most likely by now a tainted object in your dreams, you unconsciously expect them to fail, or troll you. Try another method and ignore the doors.

I reached my first long term dream goal (that was also reaching a certain location, to find someone) by dream spinning into the room. To do this you visualize the location - you need to have a good memory of the place - and really expect to end up there when you teleport via dream spinning. Then you keep your eyes open and spin around fast, once or twice. I usually end in a dark room, but when I re-stabilize, it is most of the time the intended location.

Two methods that are related to each other that work superb for me to find people:

- just move through the house or wherever you are at the moment and expect the person around the next corner. Just believe she will be sitting in a chair around the next turn. I sometimes need some attempts, but it nearly always works.

- use vision obstruction for the same effect. I wanted to find my wife in bed in one dream and she was not there. I moved back a bit, until a table blocked my view to the bed. Then i re-set my intention to find her sleeping in the bed and walked forward, until the table no longer blocked my line of sight, and there she was... felt very easy.

Welcome maus! Congratulation for your interesting lucids

Doors can be very tricky. I have success like 1 in 70 tries, so it's not very easy teleportation technique for me.

On the other hand, summoning people is easy for me. Start small, for example summon a thing that bellongs to your intended person, or call her and say where can you find her. Or try summon your dream guide, my dg has awesome powers, so he can make the hard job for you.

If you can fly, it's probably the easiest method for teleportation. You just fly up and then expect the place beneath you. Works fine for me!

keep posting your progress and mainly have fun

I have little to no success when trying to summon a specific person using a door. It's good for the times when I just want to see who would show up, but not when I create an expectation of a particular person. I think it may be because the door is too general a metaphor (at least for me).
What I've found works pretty well is to imagine a specific context in which that person would agree to arrive. For example, if I'm trying to summon a person from my class I'll say "It is presentation day and participation is mandatory unless you want to fail!" If you create a context where that person not showing is highly unlikely, it is highly likely they'll show up!
Has been my best technique thus far.

Thanks everyone for your input, looks like by keep on trying the same thing I was reinforcing negative results. I'll try some of your suggestions and let you know how it goes the next time i'm lucid (hopefully soon).

Had another LD tonight but summoning didn't work either.

I became lucid from a FA in my house, and I used hand rubbing for the first time and couldn't believe how real it felt (I used to just focus my sight in my hands). Once I got up from my dream bed I was motivated to achieve my goal, so the first thing I tried was to stand in the middle of the room knowing she would be behind me, so I said "grab my hand, I know you are there" and instead of her my dog did :/

Since that didn't work I decided to try something else, the vision obstruction thing. I got out of my room and went to another room, before entering I had the expectation of seeing her sitting on the bed but she wasn't there so I went back and in again just enough to stop seeing the bed. When I did this only the bed sheets had changed. Tried the same thing like 5 times and the bed would get done and undone with different sheets all the time.

After the 5th time I suddenly lost lucidity and noticed my heart was racing, so I'm guessing I probably got too anxious in the LD. From this experience I learnt that trying the same thing over and over only kills my lucidity, so I wont try the same thing after the second fail from now on.

I also noticed that LD's that are born from FA tend to have less control over other type of LD, is there some reason to it or am I just too used to my house that I subconsciously expect things? Maybe I should stop wasting LD's this way until I learn proper dream control more naturally?

I cannot say I have advice for you, but I found your third LD description comical! I can picture the DC telling you to shut up, then you becoming infuriated and waking up.

Also, great progress! It seems you have already found consistency in becoming lucid after your first lucid dream.

A lot of people have trouble using a dream control if it is a copy/paste form of dream control. It is good to look up a lot of what you are wanting and invent your own method. Creativity is the best form of dream control.

thats so true Sensei. Also, the methods don't work 100% for me, I sometimes need to try different methods or it won't work at all. Just keep at it, from what I read out of your posts you are doing great.