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As I am still new to this and struggling with my WILDS (I am determined to get the hang of it, and will be trying one tonight :P ) I started wondering how good somebody can become at lucid dreaming. By "good" I mean the things like control, vividness, consistency, ect. Maybe something for me to shoot for, seeing that it is possible to lucid dream every night or something of the sorts. So, the question is, how good are you at lucid dreaming, and maybe why?
There are some people on this forum who are very good and have them pretty often, it seems.
I have been actively pursuing lucid dreaming about six years now. I would classify myself as an intermediate beginner, able to have a lucid dream roughly once or twice a month.
Why? determination, persistence, setting goals.
People can become very proficient at lucid dreaming in all of it's parts.
I'm an intermediate lucid dreamer. I'm fairly consistent with induction but my dream control/stabilization usually isn't that good. I guess it has a lot to do with how much I've figured out those areas.
Don't worry about how good others are. Just do your best and always aim for improvement of any amount.
I have been LDing for 2 and a half years now. I am intermediate (especially if dolphin is :P) and I get about 6-10 LDs a week, depending on sleep schedule.
Consistency. Not off and on.
You can get better every year. You develop skills not over years, but over decades. Have fun with it for the rest of your life. 100-200 LDs a year is probably realistic if you stick with it, plus untold lucid moments that do not end up as good long dreams. At some point flight will be as easy as riding a bike is in real life. Your ability to move objects with your mind will not be limited, so even moving buildings will be easy enough. Your skill will grow with handling DCs until you can change how they look and mentally control their actions most of the time.
I do not think you will ever have an ability be flawless at all times, so once in a while a DC may act in a way you do not like (shoot you in the face, lol)
Sivason already said all the important stuff, but here's a bit more:
What other people do with their LD'ing, and how well or often they do it, probably should not be used as a benchmark for your own development, Theromer. It is much better to develop at your own pace and have the quality of your LD's reflect your own skills and goals, rather than someone else's.
If you know that you can potentially do anything in a LD, what you do will ultimately be up to you. Frequency will also be up to you, based on many factors relative just to you, so comparing your LD'ing frequency to others is very much an apples & oranges exercise, and setting frequency goals based on the experience of others could lead to disappointment.
In other words, with the knowledge that you can potentially do anything in a lD, use your imagination as your benchmark for quality, and be satisfied with as many LD's as you are able to have based on your efforts, and not based on someone else's reports.
Im the opposite, im fairly consistent with my dream control and stabilization but my inductions aren't very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphin
My control's awful at the moment xD but keep trying and it will get much better.
When I'm lucid dreaming, I'm very good at stabilize. But for the control, I'll still have some limit like; walking through a wall etc...
Not sure about my control, because in all my lucids I try and fly immediately, I'm good at flying :D
This is my personal progress chart
Lucid dreaming induction
You are able to use an induction method with consistent resuls
Apprentice - you manage to go lucid ~3 times per month
Journeyman - ~2 times per week
Expert - ~5 times per week
Artisan - ~1 times per day
Master - ~ 1 times per rem
Dream recall
Apprentice - ~3 dreams/f per week
Journeyman - ~1 dream/f per night
Expert - ~3 full dreams per night
Artisan - ~5 full dreams per night
Master - Every dream full recalled
Dream control
Apprentice - Do an successful Reality Check, Interact with a Dream Character, Eat Something
Journeyman - Successfully stabilize the dream, Dream anchoring, Flying, Telekinesis, Super Strength, Super Speed, Basic Summoning, Gain Invulnerability, Object/DC changing, Push your hand through an solid object, Partial Transformation
Expert - Teleport, Element Manipulation, Fully move through big solid object, Advanced Flying
Artisan - Advanced Summoning, Time Control, Full Transformation
Master - every aspect of a dream is easily changeable by your will
I'm journeyman/expert in all categories I would say
On Nfris chart, I am an artisan. I believe that there is a huge gap between lding once a night and lucid in every dream. :P
As far as dream control goes, or stabilization. I believe that most dreams start out stable, and if something breaks that stabilization, then I can deild back in. So I never worry about it unless in the dream it is obvious that there is a problem, then I use my watch. So I believe that all my dreams are stable. :P dream control I have done all of the common ones many times and am working towards uncommon ones. The kind that are not universally recognized as fun, but are more personal in their aspects and appeal mainly to me. :D I spend a great deal of time creating dream items to do dream control for me and trying different controls that way. This improves my multitasking.
I love your chart Nfris! I'm an artisan in all your categories except dream recall. It's taken me about 2 years to get to where I am. I feel that your table's difficulty varies a bit, though. For example, becoming an artisan in dream control is much easier than becoming one in induction or dream control. I feel like each rank should be roughly the same difficulty, but, of course, this is your personal chart.
That is pretty cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nfri
According to your chart I'm an apprentice in induction and recall, and maybe a Journeyman or Expert in control.
I might have to make my own personal chart. I just had three main stages in mind, each with three levels. Something like this:
Beginner, Lvl 1, 2, 3
Intermediate, Lvl 4, 5, 6
Advanced, Lvl 7, 8, 9
I ranked myself at Lvl 2, but I hadn't actually thought about what each rank requires. Now I'd like to flesh this system out a bit more.
Thanks guys for all the responses! I find it nice to be able to see what is capable of being accomplished, but like one of you said up there that the imagination is what limits it pretty much... Hopefully I can find some renewed determination!
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Originally Posted by Nfri
wow...i like this chart
I'd say I'm proficient at experiencing lucid dreams, stabilizing them and doing as I please within the confines of the dream, but when it actually comes to manipulating the dream its self, such as reconstructing the environment, teleporting, summoning etc, that's where my skill tapers off. It's all good though, that's not where my interest currently lies, I'm more interested in letting the dreams take me on a journey and me participating in it, as opposed to just having this sand box where I can do as I please.
By Nfri's definitions I guess I'd consider my self an expert, but by far no where near a master, I still have a long, long way to go.